I'd rather pay picks to get rid of RyJo. We need every cent in salary cap.
Prospect Info: Avs draft F Calum Ritchie (2023 #27 overall)
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I'd rather pay picks to get rid of RyJo. We need every cent in salary cap.
expatriatedtexan
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Could very well be the smart move, but what exactly is the price in picks to dump RyJo? Are we talking about a 1st or 2nd rounder here?
At the deadline this year he's still got about 5 million in real dollars left on his contract, so expect a first-rounder.
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John Mandalorian
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Chris MacFarland has heard you. And he agrees that the best use of the 1st round pick is trading it for Monahan.
Late firsts are meh anyway.Chris MacFarland has heard you. And he agrees that the best use of the 1st round pick is trading it for Monahan.
Ritchie scored again last night. Now +28 in 25 games (1.64 PPG) and his team is very close to first place now. They were a basement team when he was out injured. Improved rapidly the second he stepped on the ice. Avs might have crushed this pick (sounds weird to say that about a non top 10 pick). Looks very promising today.
I’d trade our 2024 1st + RyJo for Scott Laughton. Dumps RyJos bad deal and gets the Avs a cost controlled 3C for the next three years. One of Colton or he can play 2C.
Laughton isn’t worth a 1st but he’d be a far better roster fit than RyJo. So dumping RyJo is half my motivation. Colton isn’t great defensively and doesn’t PK. but Laughton thrives on the PK. Tough player. Fills some holes for us. Makes us faster and harder to play against. Seems like a playoff player. Does RyJo?
I’d trade our 2024 1st + RyJo for Scott Laughton. Dumps RyJos bad deal and gets the Avs a cost controlled 3C for the next three years. One of Colton or he can play 2C.
Laughton isn’t worth a 1st but he’d be a far better roster fit than RyJo. So dumping RyJo is half my motivation. Colton isn’t great defensively and doesn’t PK. but Laughton thrives on the PK. Tough player. Fills some holes for us. Makes us faster and harder to play against. Seems like a playoff player. Does RyJo?
The Abusement Park
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RyJo has history of performing in playoffs but somehow doubt that based on his qualities today.
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Or, you know, don't trade a 1st round pick for a soon-to-be 30 year old 3rd line centre who has only scored more than 32 points once in his now 10-year career.
He's under the Marlue standard of $6M=1st, so probably a 2nd.
I don’t want him for offense. This roster can find that elsewhere. I’d want him for playoff hockey. PK and dealing with the cycle on either side of the ice. The things Seattle and Vegas can kill us with when they skate and goon.
With Drouin, Nuke and Lex all proving capable of scoring and our defense being great at it. A scoring 2C isn’t what we need. But one that can drive better possession and take away more scoring chances is.
The Abusement Park
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Trading a 1st to add at best a 3C(really a 4C) is dumb… Colton isn’t a 2C…
Mack/Colton/Laughton/Oloffson would get decimated in the playoffs.
I like Laughton a lot but we shouldn't be spending a single asset on a forward who can't play 2nd line Center at this point.
The only way I trade for Laughton is if the Avs planned to move Colton to LW, and had Laughton be the 3C. A 3rd line of Colton - Laughton - LOC would be fantastic.
But then you're just wasting a prime asset on a position that isn't a top tier need and still not addressing the 2C elephant.
Probably a 2nd next summer. Maybe a 2nd + throwin prospect.
Shouldn't cost a 1st based on precedent, but you never know. It's ultimately all about supply and demand. If there's only 1 team that is willing to take on cap dumps in the summer, they can set the price to whatever they want.
But with the cap actually rising a decent bit, I'd think there's gonna be a few teams at leat that might be willing to take on a 1 year dump.
The only way I trade for Laughton is if the Avs planned to move Colton to LW, and had Laughton be the 3C. A 3rd line of Colton - Laughton - LOC would be fantastic.
But then you're just wasting a prime asset on a position that isn't a top tier need and still not addressing the 2C elephant.
Probably a 2nd next summer. Maybe a 2nd + throwin prospect.
Shouldn't cost a 1st based on precedent, but you never know. It's ultimately all about supply and demand. If there's only 1 team that is willing to take on cap dumps in the summer, they can set the price to whatever they want.
But with the cap actually rising a decent bit, I'd think there's gonna be a few teams at leat that might be willing to take on a 1 year dump.
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Given the overall lack of future assets and the general reluctance shown by the front office in these regards... I'd say the odds are much higher that RyJo gets bought out and the Avs figure it out with 1.3m less.
Would they? By whom? We’re already one of the highest scoring teams in NHL. Our goalie is playing poorly. Is 2C scoring really what this team needs? Or is it better skating, size and power down the middle.
Laughton could hang defensively and easily play dump n chase on a line with Lex and Nuke. He’s fast and big enough to win puck battles RyJo never even arrives at. Who cares if line 2 scores so long as they do well on the possession front and are a pain to play against. They’d wear teams out with their skating and active sticks.
Let PP1, line one and our defense carry the scoring.
Get RyJo off our cap asap. He’s a horrible fit. And can we even accommodate a well paid 2C with our cap situation? Not really. You can’t fill every hole ideally in an NHL roster. Gotta make do some spots.
Colton is just fine as a 3C and our 4th line will be solid once MacDermid isn’t wasting a roster spot.
Bill Peckerskull
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I think I'd rather hold onto him, and see what I can get using some combo of their next couple 1sts, Bo or G, Berhens, Olausson, and, obviously, RyJo.
We may have been struck by lightning twice at the 2023 1st round but our amateur scouts and prospect development thru the Eagles generally stinks. A late 2024 1st is usually just another chance to waste a pick on Kaut, Barron, Olausson, etc.
We don’t have the assets to waste on a rental like Lindholm we can’t resign.
I suppose you blow it on Henrique but he’s been a pretty lousy player for the past few seasons and not really a C either.
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Yes 2C is an issue… Yeah we out up points as our high end talent is essentially the best in the league. Colton as a 2C isn’t going to make it through 4 series’ against the likes of McDrai, Scheifele(plus possibly Lindholm), Eichel/Karlsson, Kopi/Danault, etc. Could definitely win a round or two, but asking Colton to be a 2C will have the same end result as JTC at 2C.
henchman21
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Laughton has never shown he can handle 2C minutes down the middle and still be effective. He's a brilliant 3rd liner, but asking him to be a 14-15 minute ES guy down the middle and tilt the ice... is just not his wheelhouse.
Doesn't matter though since Philly isn't going to be dumping him.
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Id do it. Even if we dont use laughton as our 2C, which he shouldnt, nothing wrong with adding a cost control playoff warrior who isnt super old. And it dumps ryjo.
If JT compher was still 3M for 3 years, id get him too. People shouldnt overvalue late firsts. We've seen how awesome it was to get lehky or vegas getting baravanov or coleman or goodrew.
I would however, rather trade two firsts+ if we can get a 2C, but we need to explore whatever thats on the table.
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This is overly harsh to Rossi... but he suffers from the same faults as Jost. Small and not a good enough skater. There is more raw talent and I think he's quite a smart hockey player.. but not enough to overcome his deficits.
If you can get Zegras, he could solve that issue. It'll be warty until his defense comes around, but Bednar has shown he can handle that (Landy and MacK in the early years). If you get Fatty, he has all the requisite skills and ability now, you just have to deal with a contract later. Lindholm solves it for the year for sure... after is a large question with the contract he'd require and his regression. The Monahan, Henrique, Wennberg, etc group are just putting a bandaid on an arterial laceration.
Personally, I'd rather overpay and 'lose' a trade to get a 3-5 year solution like Zegras/Mitts.
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To be fair he got really sick with long Covid which affected him and his development.
I remember the pre-draft hype (even though he fell on draft day). Also Sabre fans not happy that they passed on him for Jack Quinn.
Edit: I just looked at his stats and it's not that bad TBH. 13G 14A 27 PTS in 46 games on a bad team. Much better than Jost.
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Id rather not wait for the 2024 first to contribute or bust in 4 years when we need help now though.
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