Confirmed with Link: Avs claim G Kaapo Kähkönen off waiwers from WPG

[GoNordiquesGo]

If Annunen can turn into what we had with Francouz, that would be great!

 

[LOFIN]

If Annunen can turn into what we had with Francouz, that would be great!

As in injured all the time?

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yeah, he is. People need to understand that just because Annunen looked good in an EXTREMELY small sample size doesn't mean he's a better option. He does have superior rebound control, but he simply gets beat clean way too often to be a viable starter. And that's only going to get worse the more opposing teams see of him. The book will be out on him before long and once that happens, he'll be back in Europe.

Neither guy is an option given their aspirations, so this is all kind of a moot argument, but if we're talking about which guy is better, it's obviously George. Keep in mind, the guys who see Annunen on a daily basis--his teammates--smoke him regularly in practice according to TMV. He's just not that good, no matter how much we really want him to be. He's a poor man's version of Jonas Johansson.

I really don't get it..

One guy is 5W 3L 2.64 .894

The other is 3W 6L 3.76 .862

One actively causes chaos and never knows where the puck is, the other just sucks though, so roll with the one who knows he's a good goalie.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I really don't get it..

One guy is 5W 3L 2.64 .894

The other is 3W 6L 3.76 .862

One actively causes chaos and never knows where the puck is, the other just sucks though, so roll with the one who knows he's a good goalie.


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It’s actually even better.
In the 6 games Annunen started, he’s:

0.914 SP and a 2.35GAA

Maybe Annunen isn’t as good. Maybe his ceiling isn’t as high. Maybe he’s worse laterally. But he does have some strengths over Georgiev.
IMO, he’s a better shot blocker than Georgiev, he’s better at tracking and he’s got better rebound control.

So It doesn’t really matter which goalie is better. What matters more is which goalie plays better under the Avs system.

We seem to be making lots of conclusionary judgements on the guy despite his short NHL career not matching the criticism.

Edit: unless I’m reading it wrong, he’s also brought his GSAA back to 0.1 despite it being highly negative to start the season. Which means it’s quite positive once he started starting games.
Georgiev still at -8, and in last place in the league.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

The other thing is as far as I am concerned if two goalies are just average, all other things being equal, personally I would always go with the bigger goalie (in before @Hasbro). The reason is because when both are a little off at least a bigger goalie can stop some of the shots because he just covers more of the net.

Just me 2 cents.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

The other thing is as far as I am concerned if two goalies are just average, all other things being equal, personally I would always go with the bigger goalie (in before @Hasbro). The reason is because when both are a little off at least a bigger goalie can stop some of the shots because he just covers more of the net.

Just me 2 cents.

I know I am biased. So maybe I'm seeing what I want to see...but anyways, I feel the Avs team plays better in front of Justus. If that truly is something that is happening, then that needs to be taken into consideration as well. If the team feels Justus is giving them a better chance to win, you need to begin to explore where he's at as far as his load ability. This is the year he needs to be given the opportunity to truly compete and if deserved take over the reins.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Although I agree with you, I am also OK with giving one last chance to George. If he can't stop giving goals in the first 10 shots of the game then Anunen needs to be given a better chance. The team cannot keep having to come back from behind every single game. At one point it is too hard on the players' psychic. One can argue we have reached that point already. It is very noticeable how they react to an early goal against allowed by George.

Edit: Sorry Expat...meant to quote you.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Avs legend

 

[Ceremony]

Assuming we never reacquire him he is now the 15th player to make one Avalanche appearance.

 

[cinchronicity]

All one needs to do in order to see the future with Juice is to look at how many 'high glove' shots the Avs took at Grubauer last week. Why? Because he sucked at high glove in Washington. He sucked at high glove with the Avs. And he sucks at high glove in Seattle. By the time Juice gets 25 starts in, every video coach in the league will be able to write the book on him. Can Parkilla make him better? Maybe, but I absolutely do NOT want to depend on Juice as a starter come playoff time.

 

[EdAVSfan]

All one needs to do in order to see the future with Juice is to look at how many 'high glove' shots the Avs took at Grubauer last week. Why? Because he sucked at high glove in Washington. He sucked at high glove with the Avs. And he sucks at high glove in Seattle. By the time Juice gets 25 starts in, every video coach in the league will be able to write the book on him. Can Parkilla make him better? Maybe, but I absolutely do NOT want to depend on Juice as a starter come playoff time.

I don’t think there’s a single person in here who thinks that Annunen can be or should be the starter in the playoffs.

On the other hand, it seems people are saying, at their current level of play, Annunen gives them a better chance to put points in the standings.

The Avs should absolutely be in the market for a goalie. If they can get a starter, exchange him for Georgiev. If they can’t get a starter, they need an improvement on one of Annunen/Georgiev and hope one can get hot at the right time.

 

[Bender]

I don’t think there’s a single person in here who thinks that Annunen can be or should be the starter in the playoffs.

On the other hand, it seems people are saying, at their current level of play, Annunen gives them a better chance to put points in the standings.

The Avs should absolutely be in the market for a goalie. If they can get a starter, exchange him for Georgiev. If they can’t get a starter, they need an improvement on one of Annunen/Georgiev and hope one can get hot at the right time.

Over George, I do.

If you're giving me the choice only between these two, I'll go with Annunen who maybe isn't as athletic but makes the routine saves when he has to and the team just seems to play better in front of him.

 

[Go19]

I don’t think there’s a single person in here who thinks that Annunen can be or should be the starter in the playoffs.

On the other hand, it seems people are saying, at their current level of play, Annunen gives them a better chance to put points in the standings.

The Avs should absolutely be in the market for a goalie. If they can get a starter, exchange him for Georgiev. If they can’t get a starter, they need an improvement on one of Annunen/Georgiev and hope one can get hot at the right time.

This may be the reason for starting Georgiev in hopes that he steps up just enough to be a part of a trade. Right now he's not viable and they have to rehab his reputation somehow and the only way is to give him some starts - a couple more 1-2 goal games might help.

 

[McMetal]

Kahkonen served his purpose here, which was to light a fire under Georgiev and motivate him to get his shit together and start playing like a passable NHL goalie.

I would still like to see more from Juice. He had more good games than bad this year, and let's be honest, even the best goaltenders have nights where things just don't go right. I would love to see him given a long leash as the starter and see if he can develop some consistency. He's still a baby at the NHL level, after all. If by, say, mid-January he doesn't look like a viable playoff option, then get on the phones and see what you can get at the deadline. Trade options will be very limited though, so if we have to go that route, be prepared for "average" to be the best quality goalie we can hope for in a trade.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I still think Tyler Weiman pulled off the best single game appearance in Avs history. Can't remember if the starter got pulled or just had to take a dump but he got in net for 15:45 and ended his NHL career with a 1.0 save percentage and a 0.00 GAA.

 

[henchman21]

I still think Tyler Weiman pulled off the best single game appearance in Avs history. Can't remember if the starter got pulled or just had to take a dump but he got in net for 15:45 and ended his NHL career with a 1.0 save percentage and a 0.00 GAA.

Yeah, but Kolesnik will always be the one who got away.