Bo is very likely to regarded as the best player in the deal years from now, but the Avs don't need Mittelstadt to be the better player for it to be a good trade. If he's a productive 2nd line center in the regular season and playoffs it's a good deal. They need that more now and in the near future, and Bo was unlikely to ever reach his full potential here, especially after they committed to Toews.
Confirmed with Link: Avs acquire Casey Mittelstadt for Bo Byram
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I'm one of Byram's biggest supporters, but lets not throw Toews under the bus. He's been excellent his entire tenure with the Avs and a vocal leader for the group. We don't win the Cup without him, not even close.
He's pacing for close to another 50 point year and that's with underwhelming forward depth and Makar struggling for stretches this season. He's a rock for us and it's a shame people are worried about his decline or Bo surpassing him as a player in 2-3 years when we won't have prime MacKinnon anymore.
I trust that this thread will be filled with rationale and level headed discussion for the foreseeable future.
He's pacing for close to another 50 point year and that's with underwhelming forward depth and Makar struggling for stretches this season. He's a rock for us and it's a shame people are worried about his decline or Bo surpassing him as a player in 2-3 years when we won't have prime MacKinnon anymore.
I trust that this thread will be filled with rationale and level headed discussion for the foreseeable future.
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Unbiased reviews of Byram’s 1st game from the Sabres board.
“If that was an average period from Byram, I'm all the way onboard the Bo Wagon. Him and Dahlin might just be pure magic.”
“Saw a lot of that. Subtle and clever passes that are barely noticeable, and then all of a sudden we're on the rush. Impressive.”
“Srsly though, kid can play.”
“Hey Byrams good at D too”
“I like what I see from Byram especially on the power play.”
“He actually has a brain. Made a nice zone entry.”
“This team needs more players with hockey IQ”
“Byram with beautiful entry on pp”
“Good: Bowen Byram”
“Bad: Everyone Else”
“Byram and Krebs look great.”
“I feel like Byram has to be looking at how Dahlin is playing and wonder what the hell happened to to him.”
“Better than Dahls, but I can see Byram bringing out even more of the compete in Dalhs”
“Hope he sees more ice than Power every night”
“Byram knows how to play hockey”
“Byram looked great”
“I am really impressed with his play. Maybe he can help elevate Power and Dahlin.”
“Byram looks really good. Might be our best dman next season.”
“If that was an average period from Byram, I'm all the way onboard the Bo Wagon. Him and Dahlin might just be pure magic.”
“Saw a lot of that. Subtle and clever passes that are barely noticeable, and then all of a sudden we're on the rush. Impressive.”
“Srsly though, kid can play.”
“Hey Byrams good at D too”
“I like what I see from Byram especially on the power play.”
“He actually has a brain. Made a nice zone entry.”
“This team needs more players with hockey IQ”
“Byram with beautiful entry on pp”
“Good: Bowen Byram”
“Bad: Everyone Else”
“Byram and Krebs look great.”
“I feel like Byram has to be looking at how Dahlin is playing and wonder what the hell happened to to him.”
“Better than Dahls, but I can see Byram bringing out even more of the compete in Dalhs”
“Hope he sees more ice than Power every night”
“Byram knows how to play hockey”
“Byram looked great”
“I am really impressed with his play. Maybe he can help elevate Power and Dahlin.”
“Byram looks really good. Might be our best dman next season.”
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The only good news about that is Makar has made Graves look good. But also, LD is the more common commodity whether draft, FA, or trade. So, in consideration of the point you’re making, there might be some flexibility in getting out in front of it.
Here’s a question for you though, if you’re GMing the Avs, do you try to trade Girard this summer?
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yes this. I can't believe they didn't.go.this way , 2 young stud dmen for.the next decade at least. Makes zero sense
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Don't think they can move G anymore. Unless he really starts struggling and they need to upgrade. Might take Behrens or Gulyayev a bit to get to his level if at all.
They're kind of all in on Makar, Toews, and Girard as their top 3 for the foreseeable future now. Not sure what happens with Manson. They might still need to move him with Mitt's raise.
Haven't crunched the numbers on cap friendly yet, but based on previous ones I looked at, I feel like it's cutting it close if Landy comes back. I think they may have to lose someone else now too, instead of just 1 defenseman since Bo was the cheapest of the three options.
pure head scratcher on all.this. If they don't win this year which I don't think .they will it is not gonna.be good
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I'm one of Byram's biggest supporters, but lets not throw Toews under the bus. He's been excellent his entire tenure with the Avs and a vocal leader for the group. We don't win the Cup without him, not even close.
He's pacing for close to another 50 point year and that's with underwhelming forward depth and Makar struggling for stretches this season. He's a rock for us and it's a shame people are worried about his decline or Bo surpassing him as a player in 2-3 years when we won't have prime MacKinnon anymore.
I trust that this thread will be filled with rationale and level headed discussion for the foreseeable future.
Great post. None of these guys are deserving of vitriol. Nor do people who like them deserve to be openly mocked with nicknames like Mittlesadt Mules or Byram Bunnies. Quite honestly, this is very immature. So. The truth is we can cheer for all these guys. Never mind poisonous posters. We can hope each is successful. Losing Byram stings. A lot. But who doesn’t hope Mittlestadt is successful now that he’s here?
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I do wonder if there’s negative chemistry between Drouin and Mittelstadt. Both lean heavily into the playmaking side.
I like Val with Mitts a lot, but I feel like this forces the Avs to play Drouin with MacK more often than not.
I like Val with Mitts a lot, but I feel like this forces the Avs to play Drouin with MacK more often than not.
1 goal, 1 assist. 25 minutes
I think we are going to regret this trade.
I think we are going to regret this trade.
Drouin is fine with Mack. IMO, our top-6 lines should be:
Drouin - Mack - Nuke
Lehkonen - Mitts - Rantanen
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Yes.
Manson: One year he might play 20 games, the next year he might play 60 games. The trick is to resist the urge of assuming next year he will play 60 games again.
Girard: He’s a hobbit who has been exploited by punishing teams. He’s been good this year but he also had a month less of wear and tear. If he stinks in the playoffs, the Avs might be stuck with him or have a minimal return. The caveat is, mobility in the D group won the day in 2022. But that’s not the case every year and there’s a bias against guys like Girard. Maybe I’m too influenced by this bias on HF?
True. Bednar will blend thise top 2 lines to get whomever is playing best, more minutes though.
Lehkonen- MacKinnon- Nichushkin
Drouin- Mittelstadt- Rantanen
Lehkonen-MacKinnon- Rantanen
Drouin-Mittelstadt- Nichushkin
Drouin-MacKinnon- Rantanen
Lehkonen- Mittelstadt- Nichushkin
Drouin-MacKinnon- Nichushkin
Lehkonen- Mittelstadt- Rantenen
It's all gravy.
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This place is insane. People have been shitting on Byram for all year and complaining about not having a 2C. Now the Avs go out and get one and all of the sudden Byram is the best thing since sliced bread. You have to give to get, we weren't getting Mittelstadt with magic beans.
Bo at most had 1 more year left here most likely, as his raise and Rantanens are up at the same time. Hes going to command more than it's worth for the Avs to give him considering we have/had bigger holes elsewhere.
Bo at most had 1 more year left here most likely, as his raise and Rantanens are up at the same time. Hes going to command more than it's worth for the Avs to give him considering we have/had bigger holes elsewhere.
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Well maybe he can get the license plate then at least since he didn't do the new number.
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I’m intrigued by option 3, but I think they’ll go with option 2.
Good thing Drouin’s game is coming along nicely since the early slump. He also fits pretty well with Colton when they need to reduce his minutes a bit.
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This trade isn't about Byram's future. We might moan about it later, but it's about this current cup run. Not remotely hard to understand.
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Pretty sure nobody changed positions. There were many ways to afford him if they wanted to and we don't even know his cost. They chose not to. We move on. But we don't have to ignore Byram to do so.
Well there’s a ton of pressure for Mitts to perform.
Bo has elite #1 Dman potential. If Mitts isn’t a solid 2 way centre that puts up 70-80 points then we lose this trade bigtime.
Stud Dmen are so much harder to find and if his is 1st game shows how good he will be in Buffalo this one is going to hurt.
We should have traded G for a centre but G is more valuable to us than anyone else and we wouldn’t have got as big of a return
I know scoring has exploded, but what 2nd line 2 way centers are putting up 70-80 points? And I simply don't see Bo reaching this elite potential anymore, despite his good showing tonight. Could happen. But this board has bitched and moaned about this being our window, over and over again. CMac is going for it. End of story. It's hard to win a cup and it takes sacrifices. If we lose in the playoffs, it was still the correct gamble.
