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Confirmed with Link: Avs acquire C Brock Nelson (50% retained) + F William Dufour for F Cal Ritchie + D Oliver Kylington + 2026 1st + Cond. 2028 3rd
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I haven't watched nearly as many Nelson games as you or other Isles fans, but this has been my read on his skating as well.
I've been a bit surprised to see people say he's fast. Average to maybe slightly above average seems like a good characterization IMO. Average to slightly below average is where I'd put Mittelsdadt. Hard to tell.
I don't think these burst stats are a great indication of natural speed. I think they can be heavily influenced by team style, linemates, and just variance over a season from certain plays that need you to skate faster, or chase down a puck.
Before watching him on the Avs though, I don't think it will be a problem.
The Avs do like to play a very up tempo style, but a smart player can make it work, which Nelson is, and Brock has a lot more natural physical gifts to help him than Mittelsdadt, and he doesn't hang onto the puck nearly as much, which is a big problem for Casey.
I also think Brock has some sneaky elusive qualities with the puck down low, to evade defenders and give himself some time and space, that could help him and the Avs, in the playoffs especially.
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Nah, people are misreading the chart. He's not 98th percentile fast or even that fast of a skater, but what the chart tells me is that he consistently skates hard to his top speed on more shifts than almost every other NHLer. It will be interesting to see the chemistry with Nichushkin, who I think must be near the league lead year in year out in bursts per game (NHL Edge uses counting stats instead of per 60, but in the last couple seasons that Nuke was actually available for most of the games, he's in 98 or 99th percentile for total bursts)
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Okay, so here are my thoughts:
1. Yes it's a high price.
2. Those are the prices this year. Look at the other trades. Tampa traded two 1st, a 2nd, and a 4th liner, for Oliver Bjorkstrand, a nothing prospect, and a 5th round pick. Try to look at the trade in that context. There are not many sellers, and there was no other legit #2 center we could acquire. As such, I'm fine with them paying it, especially if we can resign him.
3. Based on reading all the posts here, especially from Islanders fans and looking at the stats, it sounds like we're getting a really good player. Basically, at the very worst he's Burakovsky, except he's a natural center who wins a ton of faceoffs, and can play on the PK. Put him with literally any combination of our top 4 wingers and we should have two absolutely dominant lines.
4. Obviously Kylington refused to shave his beard, which is why Lou shipped him off to Anaheim immediately.
As I said above, I'm fine with this trade. However, as I've said many times before on this site, I hate this mindset that the future doesn't matter, or that we're doomed to suck in a few years. I for one still plan to be a fan in 10 years, and I don't particularly want to be cheering for a bottom feeder team. I think there's a balance to be struck between genuinely going for it, and still keeping enough fires burning for the future that you'll always be in the mix. So while I like the move for Nelson, since it fills a need, I don't like that we only have two picks in the first three rounds for the next three drafts, and CMac will probably trade those away too. If Nelson was the plan, was it really necessary to trade for Lindgren and Coyle as well? Especially since we have already moved out a 2026 2nd to get rid of Georgiev, a 2025 3rd for Trenin, a 2026 3rd for Duhaime, a 2025 1st to get rid of RyJo, and a 2025 2nd for Eller. I feel like as a GM, you need to have some kind of spending limit on futures so that the cupboard never becomes completely bare.
While I agree there are opportunities to recoup assets with offseason moves of guys like Colton, Wood, and a defenseman or two, at this point I assume those moves will be for short term gains. We'll have to really hope that some of our current prospects or AHLers turn into something, or we'll be having major depth issue before long, and then we'll inevitably become bottom feeders once MacKinnon and Makar decline.
If we win another cup this year, then fantastic, but even in the cup year, we didn't trade the 2023 1st, and we even moved our Ritchie equivalent (Newhook) for another 1st rather than short-term help. I know this is the Nelson thread and the main mistake way the Coyle trade, but they're all connected.
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Anyway, the rosters are set so we can worry about all this in the offseason. I can't wait to watch the team we have while we have it.
1. Yes it's a high price.
2. Those are the prices this year. Look at the other trades. Tampa traded two 1st, a 2nd, and a 4th liner, for Oliver Bjorkstrand, a nothing prospect, and a 5th round pick. Try to look at the trade in that context. There are not many sellers, and there was no other legit #2 center we could acquire. As such, I'm fine with them paying it, especially if we can resign him.
3. Based on reading all the posts here, especially from Islanders fans and looking at the stats, it sounds like we're getting a really good player. Basically, at the very worst he's Burakovsky, except he's a natural center who wins a ton of faceoffs, and can play on the PK. Put him with literally any combination of our top 4 wingers and we should have two absolutely dominant lines.
4. Obviously Kylington refused to shave his beard, which is why Lou shipped him off to Anaheim immediately.
As I said above, I'm fine with this trade. However, as I've said many times before on this site, I hate this mindset that the future doesn't matter, or that we're doomed to suck in a few years. I for one still plan to be a fan in 10 years, and I don't particularly want to be cheering for a bottom feeder team. I think there's a balance to be struck between genuinely going for it, and still keeping enough fires burning for the future that you'll always be in the mix. So while I like the move for Nelson, since it fills a need, I don't like that we only have two picks in the first three rounds for the next three drafts, and CMac will probably trade those away too. If Nelson was the plan, was it really necessary to trade for Lindgren and Coyle as well? Especially since we have already moved out a 2026 2nd to get rid of Georgiev, a 2025 3rd for Trenin, a 2026 3rd for Duhaime, a 2025 1st to get rid of RyJo, and a 2025 2nd for Eller. I feel like as a GM, you need to have some kind of spending limit on futures so that the cupboard never becomes completely bare.
While I agree there are opportunities to recoup assets with offseason moves of guys like Colton, Wood, and a defenseman or two, at this point I assume those moves will be for short term gains. We'll have to really hope that some of our current prospects or AHLers turn into something, or we'll be having major depth issue before long, and then we'll inevitably become bottom feeders once MacKinnon and Makar decline.
If we win another cup this year, then fantastic, but even in the cup year, we didn't trade the 2023 1st, and we even moved our Ritchie equivalent (Newhook) for another 1st rather than short-term help. I know this is the Nelson thread and the main mistake way the Coyle trade, but they're all connected.
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Anyway, the rosters are set so we can worry about all this in the offseason. I can't wait to watch the team we have while we have it.
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Also, little known fact about this trade. This represents the largest apparent age difference between main pieces in a trade since the Field Museum acquired a dinosaur fossil in exchange for some early American pottery
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Late to the party, but love Nelson and sad to seem him go. He honestly used to drive me insane, always seemed like so much potential that could never put it all together. Then Trotz showed up and Nelson morphed into such a good, complete center and has been one of my favorite Isles ever since. He has amazing hand-eye coordination and such a fantastic shot.
I used to work for a Denver-based company and have spent lots of time in your great city, so I hope Nelly helps you get Nate another cup, plus it would nice to have another SC parade here this summer. I was hoping the aisles could re-sign him for a couple more years, but alas… good luck!
I used to work for a Denver-based company and have spent lots of time in your great city, so I hope Nelly helps you get Nate another cup, plus it would nice to have another SC parade here this summer. I was hoping the aisles could re-sign him for a couple more years, but alas… good luck!
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Good lord lol this is an abhorrent hockey player.
Call me crazy, I don't think it's a stretch to say Casey Mittelstadt is out of the NHL before he turns 30.
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I'd really love to know what actually happened to Mittlestadt. I'm really not sure what could cause that drop off without something happening to him off the ice. He just gave up.
BobRossColton
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Still curious about this myself, was there something more to that hit he took forever ago, system, work ethic..etc.
Bill Peckerskull
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Just an FYI. Dave Pagnotta just said on NHLN Radio that Lou offered Brock a 3-year deal north of $7.5M per to stay, and he turned it down. Says he wanted more term.
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Nelson will sign in Minnesota this off-season and for that, I hate him already.
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It really is odd how he went from playing well when he first got traded, playing well in the playoffs, and then playing well to start the season to literally just playing like a 4th line AHL player.
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I think if you can get Nelson on a reasonable AAV, and he fits in the 20+ games he plays here, you take that deal.
No, it’s not ideal to sign a 33 year old for 4 or 5 years, but, IMO, the Avs have 2 full cracks at a cup. If you don’t sign him, you have no 2C next year, and almost no assets to make it happen. Sign him, and deal with the consequences in years 3,4 and 5 when the team is already much older.
No, it’s not ideal to sign a 33 year old for 4 or 5 years, but, IMO, the Avs have 2 full cracks at a cup. If you don’t sign him, you have no 2C next year, and almost no assets to make it happen. Sign him, and deal with the consequences in years 3,4 and 5 when the team is already much older.
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I think your start with the stammer deal.. probably can't re-sign Drouin, see if Colton+Manson can get you a top 6 winger with some term.
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I'd much rather pay him than give Nelson a long term deal, but idk if we can afford
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That's what will happen. CMac will offer a 4 Ă— $7.5M, and Minnesota will offer 5 years, and he'll go to Minny
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