Tob
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6 preds and 6 preds staff positive. Avs had a small number as well and we've played them over the last week plus. I wonder if we'll get some positive tests today....
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Panarin was essentially 0.5 ppg player in the KHL while during his 19, 20, 21 yo seasons. When he was 22 he became about 0.75 and his big breakout THERE happened when he became 23. Again, I think it's way too early for any (low) ceiling assessment.
Crease
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HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
I'm not really expecting BIG things from the kids, but was hoping/expecting a little more output from all of them
will1066
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I've been keeping positive and citing our really good record and position in the standings and saying "there's no problem here" and things of that nature. But I'm going to level with y'all:
#1 - we're not elite
#2 - we're pretty good but not good enough
There. I feel better coming clean.
As many have said many times, we play a type of hockey that's fun over an 82-game season but not the type of hockey that's sustainable in the playoffs or for long-term success. The fun shinny hockey is like soda. It's sugary. It's sweet. It's addicting. We got addicted. Gorton and Drury paid up the butt for many more years of this sugary stuff.
#1 - we're not elite
#2 - we're pretty good but not good enough
There. I feel better coming clean.
As many have said many times, we play a type of hockey that's fun over an 82-game season but not the type of hockey that's sustainable in the playoffs or for long-term success. The fun shinny hockey is like soda. It's sugary. It's sweet. It's addicting. We got addicted. Gorton and Drury paid up the butt for many more years of this sugary stuff.
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Then Strome and/or Mika need to go.
Yes I said Mika.
Too bad they signed him to a ridiculous deal they can't get out of without his consent. That may just end up incentive to make him miserable till he waives.
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I agree with your #1 and #2, we are almost certainly a playoff team but anyone who thinks we are a contender as currently constructed is delusional. The D corps will come around because it's overflowing with talent and it will simply be an issue of finding the right fits, but the forwards are overaged, overpaid, or not talented enough and we left that group only half rebuilt when we decided it was time to win again. Stupid.
But yeah, we are too good on the backs of Shesterkin, Fox and Panarin not to make the playoffs, but this isn't a real contender at all. But I think your diagnosis is a bit off - we have too much starch and not enough sugar, actually. Too many Hunts, Rooneys, Goodrows, Reaves, Blaises, McKeggs, these are all basically bottom line players (or AHL players!) yet they are scattered into our top 9 all too frequently.
A cup winning team needs basically two number one centers (or an elite center and a very good #2 center), one elite, elite winger, and four more first line caliber players either at wing or center. There are exceptions but they are THE EXCEPTION and we shouldn't count on the Rangers winning as an exception.
Zibanejad is playing like shit but even assuming he gets his act together we have about half the required pieces until Kakko and Laf take off, but at this rate by time they do the other pieces will have aged out. And no matter what happens we need probably like two more top guys to meet this criteria.
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Our window right now is non existent.
If Lafreniere will never be as good as Panarin that just means we need more top picks and the rebuild failed our forward core.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
They haven't even played that brand of hockey. They did under Quinn his second year here and they were a legitimately good team offensively that needed better depth and to clean some things up defensively. Now they are medicore to below average offensively and ok defensively with elite goaltending. They still haven't figured out how to sustain attacks in the offensive zone or breakout effectively. Is that because they lost two of their most skilled players since then? Perhaps. The record is what it is but I watch a lot of other teams play and the Rangers just don't play like the best teams in the league.
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Then put Kreider on the right. Don't care if he has to adjust to being out of position, he doesn't do anything but tip pucks in anyway.
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Because their co-dependency is bad for the organization? It's enabling them to produce with each other but it's leaving the rest of the roster to wilt on the vine with bad combinations.
Panarin needs to be able to thrive with other linemates, he's getting paid too much money to be co-dependent on Strome. Maybe if he was still pacing for 125 points, but he's not. And Strome needs to demonstrate he can make someone else thrive besides Panarin or I have no interest in keeping him. Maybe if you stuck Strome on a line with Lafreniere and Lafreniere flourished I might be in favor of keeping Strome. But this stapling each of them to each other's hip is just bad for the team.
And Mika and Kreider just don't work. KZB was never a truly dominant line anyway so I have no idea what the attachment is, but it's not working.
I would try out Panarin with Zibanejad.
And a Laf-Strome-Kakko line might be interesting.
Kreider can play the third f***ing line, I'm so tired of all the damn accomodations for this guy. Kravtsov was sent out for nothing because we didn't have the f***ing stones to tell Kreider to take third line minutes and then play the PP. He is what he is, a decent middle six forward who gets a lot of tip ins and gets hot, then ice cold.
EdJovanovski
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Completely agree. I think that second year with Panarin, DeAngelo & Mika in beast mode was the most fun season in years. This team right now is borderline unwatchable for me. Just awful hockey, boring, no flash, no speed. I know I’ll get flamed for it but this is the least exciting Ranger team I’ve watched since I’ve been a fan. And that shouldn’t be the case with the 1st & 2nd overall picks. This was supposed to be the golden age of Ranger hockey, the “fastest rebuild ever”
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
I don't know if it's the least exciting team, some of the later AV teams were excruciating to watch. but yeah the team after the first month or so of the 19-20 season was very fun to watch, and it felt like there was something building. Now there are honestly many more question marks than there should be.
TheBloodyNine
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I think that is the obvious solution here as well
GG needs to get a forward opposite of Panarin who can draw some attention. The last several games Panarin has had no room and once he touches the puck they are collapsing on him right away. On the PP they are leaning towards Panarin to deny him the puck. I would do the same. The offense starts with Panarin. I'd do all I could to keep the puck away from him.
I don't think Kakko is the answer either. I'm actually surprised with the numbers he's put up with that line this year.
The team looks slow and weak and were completely outclassed by Colorado.
I don't think Kakko is the answer either. I'm actually surprised with the numbers he's put up with that line this year.
The team looks slow and weak and were completely outclassed by Colorado.
Miamipuck
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Sometimes Panarin is his own worst enemy. He likes to slow the game down and draw a lot of guys to him. That's how he gets tons of points. Against a fast team or a swarming team he can have problems. It is up to his teammates to get open and in better position. Watching this team, they need speed, not sure if they have it organically, in which case they need to play faster or need a few faster players sprinkled in the mix.
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This is the immediate need.
2C is a real need, but anticipatory of Strome walking/getting traded. If we’re talking only about this season, our biggest need is an elite F for the top two lines.
I suppose you could address both by acquiring an elite 2C and shifting Strome to RW, but I’d rather get the best F available than trying to force a fit for that line.
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I'd rather get an elite young 2C and kill the near impossible to address bird with two stones of having a future guy who can play 1C.
A non injured Eichel would have been kinda perfect.
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I completely disagree. Kakko and Strome have shown nice chemistry with all the space afforded to them because of Panarin.
Panarin wants the puck coming up the ice. Kakko wants the puck in the offensive zone. There's overlap there but it can still work.
TominNC
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If Mika was doing his thing the people around him would have more points. He's the 1C. He's teh star center on the team. If he's not producing others will suffer.
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It's good that compared to earlier in the season against FLA, CGY, and TOR we have been able to play good teams a lot tighter. OTOH we can't seem to both limit opponents and produce opportunities ourselves at the same time.
This season nearly every game we hear about it's been x minutes since the Rangers last SOG and while we are getting closer to even on the final tallies, those lulls are still indicative of a team that doesn't seem to know how to take back momentum in a game.
Troubas done an admirable job in this respect. Fox and Panarin as well. And I think our special teams in general have saved us in this respect more than any so far this season. Blais certainly was capable of getting thing going for us, and I do think he's a big loss in this way specifically.
This season nearly every game we hear about it's been x minutes since the Rangers last SOG and while we are getting closer to even on the final tallies, those lulls are still indicative of a team that doesn't seem to know how to take back momentum in a game.
Troubas done an admirable job in this respect. Fox and Panarin as well. And I think our special teams in general have saved us in this respect more than any so far this season. Blais certainly was capable of getting thing going for us, and I do think he's a big loss in this way specifically.
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