Auston Matthews (Trade or Keep)? (CANNOT re-sign before July 1st. - NMC July 1st.)

[34]

Agreed....he took a page from JT's book. Move him while we can.

He is already out the door. I won’t be surprised if he lands in Miami with his good buddy Tkachuk who is about to win the Cup.

 

[leafs in five]

I say TOR should trade Nylander and Marner. Get major assets for them. In 2 years Matthews will be the 1C, Tavares will be gone, and you'll have a competitive team.

nice a competitive team

Matthews staying in Toronto is not an option here. He holds all the cards and it is going to go down the same way that Matthew Tkachuk and Johnny Gaudreau did to Calgary last summer. Matthews is going to tell Toronto the exact same thing they did, I am American, and I want to go home. I am not resigning in Toronto.

Did Tkachuk ever tell reporters that he wanted to stay and planned to re-sign in Calgary?

 

[ULF_55]

Matthews can't re-sign before July 1st.
July 1st. Matthews has a NMC.
Matthews hold all the cards after June 30th.
Matthews can be traded to any team before July 1st.

 

[ULF_55]

He is already out the door. I won’t be surprised if he lands in Miami with his good buddy Tkachuk who is about to win the Cup.

Well they have 17 players signed and $9mm in cap space.

Huge hometown discount?

Two of these?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

nice a competitive team


Did Tkachuk ever tell reporters that he wanted to stay and planned to re-sign in Calgary?

You're right. There's no better feeling then losing in the 1st round of the playoffs 6 out of 7 times.

Ahhhhhhh...feels good man...

What if Matthews walks ?

To Los Angeles or Arizona ?

Maybe the new Suns owner will take the Coyotes but he wants a franchise player to sell tickets ?

Then you'll have assets, draft picks, AND major cap space.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Sign at 12.6M or less for 8 years with ability to trade for 1st few years .. if he doesn't want to sign then trade for 5 pieces including 3 1st rounders and a top 2 D

 

[Sypher04]

65% trade Matthews is f***ing assinine

 

[Legion34]

So many posters pontificated about him being the greatest Leaf of all time.

Shame if he leaves with a mere single playoff round under his belt.

He is still the best player they have had in anyone’s memory.

2 time goal leader hart Pearson highest GPG average.

If he leaves he won’t set the records obviously. But he is still the best talent they have had in any reasonable comparison.

 

[weems]

65% trade Matthews is f***ing assinine

Isn't that number heavily influenced by people voting yes based on the scenario he doesn't sign a contract extension this offseason?

I know that's why I voted yes. If you approach him offering max $$ but he says no, I don't think you let it play out and potentially lose him as a UFA.

That number will also go down in the coming weeks as more people chill from the playoff loss.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Does anyone know if the NMCs travel with them to their new teams if they get traded before July 1st, or is that only NMCs on contracts that haven’t started at the time of the trade?

 

[egd27]

He is still the best player they have had in anyone’s memory.

2 time goal leader hart Pearson highest GPG average.

If he leaves he won’t set the records obviously. But he is still the best talent they have had in any reasonable comparison.

Best goal scorer....sure. At this point I wouldn't go farther than that.

 

[Gabriel426]

As I said before, if he wants to stay he will sign a new contract.
There is NO GM who will come in and think let’s retool or rebuild without AM.
The question is that will he resign with the Leafs and for how much? The fact that technically both sides can’t announce the deal till July 1, will get all fans and medias guessing.
If he decides to pull a JT, who cares, the Islanders made two ECF in a row after JT left and would probably still be good if Lou didn’t trade Toews and didn’t extend Trotz.

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

No heart no passion weak wristed Matthews can kick rocks if hes looking to max out on his next deal.

 

[HolyGhost]

Why would you have to add lol?

you aint getting Bedard one for one for Matthews as of right now. Bedard is on MCDavids level

 

[Pinkcat]

As I said before, if he wants to stay he will sign a new contract.
There is NO GM who will come in and think let’s retool or rebuild without AM.
The question is that will he resign with the Leafs and for how much? The fact that technically both sides can’t announce the deal till July 1, will get all fans and medias guessing.
If he decides to pull a JT, who cares, the Islanders made two ECF in a row after JT left and would probably still be good if Lou didn’t trade Toews and didn’t extend Trotz.

Exactly, not a lot of situations that would be as attarctive as the one he is in now. He negotiated the leverage that he now has and may or may not be back. If he doesn't want to stay then the Leafs have lost a great player but they do gain 13-14 million in cap space. At that point I would be happy to re-tool and see what comes up in free agency in 3 years.
Having said all that though I would hope that the choice is made to sign back with the Leafs.

 

[kevsh]

I chose "Other", and now I'll briefly explain:

1) You need a #1 center. With 34 gone that leaves Johnny T and as the only top 9 center under contract for next season. Unless there's a C coming back for Matthews, or a UFA in the Leafs sights, that's a huge hole in the lineup.
2) However, if Matthews insists on being the highest paid player in the league, or any other contract stipulations that will cripple the team/hurt them long-term, then I can live with trading him as long as they address point #1.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Does anyone know if the NMCs travel with them to their new teams if they get traded before July 1st, or is that only NMCs on contracts that haven’t started at the time of the trade?

According to the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the National Hockey League (NHL) and the National Hockey League Players' Association (NHLPA):

Collective Bargaining Agreement

The CBA between the NHLPA and the NHL sets out the terms and conditions of employment for all professional hockey players playing in the NHL, as well as the res

www.nhlpa.com

11.8 Individually Negotiated Limitations on Player Movement.

(a) The SPC of any Player who is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent under Article 10.1(a) may contain a no-Trade or a no-move clause. SPCs containing a no-Trade or a no-move clause may be entered into prior to the time that the Player is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent so long as the SPC containing the no-Trade or no-move clause extends through and does not become effective until the time that the Player qualifies for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency. If the Player is Traded or claimed on Waivers prior to the no-Trade or no-move clause taking effect, the clause does not bind the acquiring Club. An acquiring Club may agree to continue to be bound by the no-Trade or no-move clause, which agreement shall be evidenced in writing to the Player, Central Registry and the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof.

(b) A no-Trade clause or a no-move clause that is negotiated as part of an extension of an SPC entered into pursuant to Section 50.5(f) may become effective immediately upon registration of, but prior to the effective date of, such SPC extension, provided: (i) the Player would otherwise have been eligible as of the immediately preceding July 1 prior to signing the SPC extension to have a no-Trade or no-move clause pursuant to Section 11.8; and (ii) the Club and the Player, who are parties to such SPC extension, agree that the no-Trade or no-move clause is effective immediately upon execution of the SPC extension (or at some later date agreed to by the Club and the Player) and evidence such agreement in writing in the SPC.

(c) A no-move clause may prevent the involuntary relocation of a Player, whether by Trade, Loan or Waiver claim. A no-move clause, however, may not restrict the Club's Buy-Out and termination rights as set forth in this Agreement. Prior to exercising its Ordinary Course Buy-Out rights pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC hereof, the Club shall, in writing in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, provide the Player with the option of electing to be placed on Waivers. The Player will have twenty-four (24) hours from the time he receives such notice to accept or reject that option at his sole discretion, and shall so inform the Club in writing, in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, within such twenty four (24) hour period. If the Player does not timely accept or reject that option, it will be deemed rejected.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Can’t trade him unless you got another 1C coming back. Or a top C prospect like Cooley.

 

[Martin Skoula]

According to the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the National Hockey League (NHL) and the National Hockey League Players' Association (NHLPA):

Collective Bargaining Agreement

The CBA between the NHLPA and the NHL sets out the terms and conditions of employment for all professional hockey players playing in the NHL, as well as the res

www.nhlpa.com

11.8 Individually Negotiated Limitations on Player Movement.

(a) The SPC of any Player who is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent under Article

10.1(a) may contain a no-Trade or a no-move clause. SPCs containing a no-Trade or a no-move clause may be entered into prior to the time that the Player is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent so long as the SPC containing the no-Trade or no-move clause extends through and does not become effective until the time that the Player qualifies for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency. If the Player is Traded or claimed on Waivers prior to the no-Trade or no-move clause taking effect, the clause does not bind the acquiring Club. An acquiring Club may agree to continue to be bound by the no-Trade or no-move clause, which agreement shall be evidenced in writing to the Player, Central Registry and the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof.

(b) A no-Trade clause or a no-move clause that is negotiated as part of an extension of an SPC entered into pursuant to Section 50.5(f) may become effective immediately upon registration of, but prior to the effective date of, such SPC extension, provided: (i) the Player would otherwise have been eligible as of the immediately preceding July 1 prior to signing the SPC extension to have a no-Trade or no-move clause pursuant to Section 11.8; and (ii) the Club and the Player, who are parties to such SPC extension, agree that the no-Trade or no-move clause is effective immediately upon execution of the SPC extension (or at some later date agreed to by the Club and the Player) and evidence such agreement in writing in the SPC.

(c) A no-move clause may prevent the involuntary relocation of a Player, whether by Trade, Loan or Waiver claim. A no-move clause, however, may not restrict the Club's Buy-Out and termination rights as set forth in this Agreement. Prior to exercising its Ordinary Course Buy-Out rights pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC hereof, the Club shall, in writing in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, provide the Player with the option of electing to be placed on Waivers. The Player will have twenty-four (24) hours from the time he receives such notice to accept or reject that option at his sole discretion, and shall so inform the Club in writing, in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, within such twenty four (24) hour period. If the Player does not timely accept or reject that option, it will be deemed rejected.

So if I understand correctly, Matthews and Marner’s values shoot straight up if we move them before July 1st as the acquiring team wouldn’t be bound by the NMC.

Seems like a low risk trade, you get 10 months of exclusivity to negotiate a new deal with the only 8 year option available and if it doesn’t work out you can rent them out to recoup your investment + more assuming you retain.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Can’t trade him unless you got another 1C coming back. Or a top C prospect like Cooley.

Letting him walk isnt accpetable.

 

[4thline]

Further drill down scenario

The only contract he'll sign before July 1 is
13.93501133 x 3 years.

Trade or accept?

Why that contract
-free agent at 29 to cash in after McDavid resets the bar
-that contract + his current come to a combined value of 100,000,034 bringing his 8 year earnings $34 dollars over McDavids 2nd contract.

 

[myleafs]

You won’t get as much back as you think UNLESS he agrees to a contrat with the new team. I think were hooped either way . Maybe we need to wait and hope to sign him during the year or trade him near the deadline. Sounds like AM has all the leverage.

And how did that happen?...hmmmm

 

[myleafs]

You keep World Class players and try to add complimentary players who can play to his strengths.

World class players put the team on their back and drag them to the finish line. What in 34's game shows you he can do this? Havent we tried the complimentary pieces already, like for a few yrs now?

You make absolutely every effort possible to re-sign the 60 goal, PPG, elite centre, or you spend the next 8-10 years finding another player to come close to his talent.
In the last 30 years the Leafs have had 3 #1 centres....they do not grow on trees.

Matthews struggled against the Bobrovsky/Panthers.
So are the Canes, shut out again last night...do they blow it up?

Unless you get a complete confirmation he has no intention to re-sign, then you look at trading him, but to me that's the absolute last option. If you trade Matthews, you may as well clean house IMO. Start another rebuild.

At any cost? And re Canes...if they go down like it looks like they are you can bet there will be changes.

 

[myleafs]

You make absolutely every effort possible to re-sign the 60 goal, PPG, elite centre, or you spend the next 8-10 years finding another player to come close to his talent.
In the last 30 years the Leafs have had 3 #1 centres....they do not grow on trees.

Matthews struggled against the Bobrovsky/Panthers.
So are the Canes, shut out again last night...do they blow it up?

Unless you get a complete confirmation he has no intention to re-sign, then you look at trading him, but to me that's the absolute last option. If you trade Matthews, you may as well clean house IMO. Start another rebuild.

Why so hyperbowl...if we trade 34 the assets we get back could be a very nice haul and maybe enough to help push us over the edge. This doom and gloom because Dubas is gone and or Matthews might leave is unwarranted imo. Sure it might be worse but it seems as though this team has peaked out and what we see is what we are going to get if it stays the same. Making the playoffs is nice but surely not the end goal. Would trading Tkachuck for Matthews last yr make our team worse to the point of tearing it down? I would argue we would have done more damage in the playoffs with a player like Tkachuk and thats not even getting into his much lower caphit and higher term.

 

[Squiffy]

According to the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the National Hockey League (NHL) and the National Hockey League Players' Association (NHLPA):

Collective Bargaining Agreement

The CBA between the NHLPA and the NHL sets out the terms and conditions of employment for all professional hockey players playing in the NHL, as well as the res

www.nhlpa.com

11.8 Individually Negotiated Limitations on Player Movement.

(a) The SPC of any Player who is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent under Article 10.1(a) may contain a no-Trade or a no-move clause. SPCs containing a no-Trade or a no-move clause may be entered into prior to the time that the Player is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent so long as the SPC containing the no-Trade or no-move clause extends through and does not become effective until the time that the Player qualifies for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency. If the Player is Traded or claimed on Waivers prior to the no-Trade or no-move clause taking effect, the clause does not bind the acquiring Club. An acquiring Club may agree to continue to be bound by the no-Trade or no-move clause, which agreement shall be evidenced in writing to the Player, Central Registry and the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof.

(b) A no-Trade clause or a no-move clause that is negotiated as part of an extension of an SPC entered into pursuant to Section 50.5(f) may become effective immediately upon registration of, but prior to the effective date of, such SPC extension, provided: (i) the Player would otherwise have been eligible as of the immediately preceding July 1 prior to signing the SPC extension to have a no-Trade or no-move clause pursuant to Section 11.8; and (ii) the Club and the Player, who are parties to such SPC extension, agree that the no-Trade or no-move clause is effective immediately upon execution of the SPC extension (or at some later date agreed to by the Club and the Player) and evidence such agreement in writing in the SPC.

(c) A no-move clause may prevent the involuntary relocation of a Player, whether by Trade, Loan or Waiver claim. A no-move clause, however, may not restrict the Club's Buy-Out and termination rights as set forth in this Agreement. Prior to exercising its Ordinary Course Buy-Out rights pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC hereof, the Club shall, in writing in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, provide the Player with the option of electing to be placed on Waivers. The Player will have twenty-four (24) hours from the time he receives such notice to accept or reject that option at his sole discretion, and shall so inform the Club in writing, in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, within such twenty four (24) hour period. If the Player does not timely accept or reject that option, it will be deemed rejected.

So if I understand correctly, Matthews and Marner’s values shoot straight up if we move them before July 1st as the acquiring team wouldn’t be bound by the NMC.

Seems like a low risk trade, you get 10 months of exclusivity to negotiate a new deal with the only 8 year option available and if it doesn’t work out you can rent them out to recoup your investment + more assuming you retain.

Amended by #58 of MOU of 2020:

CBA §11.8 amended to provide that No-Trade and No-Move clauses shall always travel with the Player in the event of an Assignment (by Trade or Waivers) of the SPC.