Player Discussion Auston Matthews (Captain Edition)

[Jimmy Firecracker]

It’s so unbelievably over.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Are we currently accruing any cap space with him out? Not sure if that’s just an LTIR thing or not

 

[ULF_55]

He is broken.

Treliving has no choice but to spend big on a center.

They'll spend the rest of the year swimming upstream without another center brought onboard.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I fully believe the guy needs surgery but that surgery would fully end his season. The 4 nations literally shouldn't even be a thought. No chance.

 

[BallardEra]

I fully believe the guy needs surgery but that surgery would fully end his season. The 4 nations literally shouldn't even be a thought. No chance.

I've been saying this from the start. They have tried rest, alternative German medicine and who knows what else. You could tell that surgery was the absolute last option.

Worrisome part is Matthews not sounding too confident about this getting any better with more rest.

 

[DarkKnight]

So he admitted the shot to the ribs didn't "help the cause". I say shut him down for a while, if he can't improve with a couple months off, then what the hell is happening career wise? Back surgeries are voodoo too, really concerning what is happening, but I LTIR him. Teams know where to hurt him and they will target it, keep him off the ice and hope it heals.

 

[HolyCrap]

Day to day injury btw

Clown ass organization

It’s like this organization thinks its smart. They are the biggest joke in sports. We deserve better than that.

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[DarkKnight]

Seems there is no way this guy could endure a playoff run at this stage, so question is have him come back in the lineup and struggle away or shut him down for the regular season and hope he can take playoff style hockey. It's all that matters, it's the only consideration, if a shot to the ribs in December knocks him back out, he won't last a second come May, so whatever we do is within the lens of increasing the chance he can participate in meaningful hockey when it matters.

 

[Dekes For Days]

All we know is he had an injury that wouldn’t get worse with wear and tear, that eventually took him out of action because of in-game wear and tear that he couldn’t play through anymore, and has been out since December 20.

Seems more like it was more the brutal cross check to the ribs that took him back out, not normal "wear and tear".

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Why not? That's been the excuse every season so far, so why not one more.

 

[cyris]

Are we currently accruing any cap space with him out? Not sure if that’s just an LTIR thing or not

We are already in LTIR with Jarnkrok and Hakanpaa so we don’t accrue cap space regardless.

 

[ULF_55]

Yeah, the cross check started this latest occasion.

He obviously, was not 100%.

Cross checks happen every game, and there was no DOPS involvement so it wasn't considered outside the boundaries of a cross check.

 

[Nineteen67]

If surgery will fix whatever is ailing him, why not go ahead and do it now.

I know he wants to play in the four nations but he might be better off sitting that out.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Day to day injury btw

Clown ass organization

2wowo all lmau autosn not lefas fault

 

[ACC1224]

Day to day injury btw

Clown ass organization

What should they do differently?

 

[Aashir Mallik]

What should they do differently?

I feel like they should be a bit more upfront with it. I get that as fans we aren’t entitled to all the details and I’m not asking for that, what we should have been told at some point was that he’s going to be out a while. He was day to day for a few weeks, told us that it isn’t an injury that gets worse somehow with playing, and then he gets hurt (again?) and has been out since.

This just creates an even bigger gap and brews mistrust within the organization and the fans

 

[SprDaVE]

Are we currently accruing any cap space with him out? Not sure if that’s just an LTIR thing or not

Nope. We're dipping into LTIR with Jarnkrok and now Hakanpaa.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

We are already in LTIR with Jarnkrok and Hakanpaa so we don’t accrue cap space regardless.

Nope. We're dipping into LTIR with Jarnkrok and now Hakanpaa.

Thanks for the responses. I have no idea personally how any of the cap stuff works when injuries are involved.

 

[ACC1224]

I feel like they should be a bit more upfront with it. I get that as fans we aren’t entitled to all the details and I’m not asking for that, what we should have been told at some point was that he’s going to be out a while. He was day to day for a few weeks, told us that it isn’t an injury that gets worse somehow with playing, and then he gets hurt (again?) and has been out since.

This just creates an even bigger gap and brews mistrust within the organization and the fans

Perhaps it is a day to day type thing

 

[SprDaVE]

Thanks for the responses. I have no idea personally how any of the cap stuff works when injuries are involved.

It's a bit complicated but very basically, if you're into LTIR territory, you're not accruing. If the Leafs were under the salary cap ceiling and not going over with LTIR, they could accrue cap space.

I can't remember the last time the Leafs were ever able to accrue any sort of long-term cap space anyway. I don't even know if they have at any point of the salary cap era?

 

[Edgelord]

Seems more like it was more the brutal cross check to the ribs that took him back out, not normal "wear and tear".

Yeah, the cross check started this latest occasion.

He obviously, was not 100%.

Cross checks happen every game, and there was no DOPS involvement so it wasn't considered outside the boundaries of a cross check.

I saw something about a common tennis injury to the lower back and IMO that tracks. The reason for secrecy is he hurt himself outside of hockey and it could have longterm negative impact and he is also private.

 

[Racer88]

That 4 year term looking better and better by the day.

Missing games is one thing but even when he’s playing there are far too many times where he’s not 100 percent. He’s brittle unfortunately.

Starting to wish it was a 1-2 deal

 

[Racer88]

Big soft injury prone marshmallow eating 13.4 mill of our cap………

 

[SprDaVE]

Big soft injury prone marshmallow eating 13.4 mill of our cap………

Tough injury to manage = pillow soft

classic fandom vitriol from the couch