News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[ULF_55]

You'd be getting rid of the wrong guy, I'd much rather have the guy who does everything well, who wears his Leaf on his sleeve, rather than the guy who's great at one thing, but who's only concern is making the most ever. That idea of the most money can be done anywhere.

Maybe you missed the point?

The discussion was if Matthews leaves money on the table to fill out the team, but Paul decides it's all about the greenbacks in marner's pockets.

Matthews takes less to stay.
marner goes for everything, including the money Matthews left on the table to fill out the roster.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

????? He took 450 million dollars. How much more could he have taken?



???? Matthews was benched for calling out keefe??? Did I miss this?

Yeah. He was shooting off his mouth after a loss to the Oilers. Said something about needing to play to win, not play to not lose.

You can read about it here.

Auston Matthews Criticizes Sheldon Keefe’s Coaching

The Toronto Maple Leafs are currently 3-2, but it seems there are tensions rising in the locker room. The team is under tremendous pressure ...

www.nhltraderumors.me

If Mathews wrist is a problem in the future, then this contract will be a boat anchor.
Mathews wasn't using his wrist shot this year as much as last year, snapshots or one timers were his go to.
You need a healthy wrist for a wrist shot I would think.
I hope for the good of our team iam wrong.

He also dislocated both shoulders already.

He is looking like he might be a Band-Aid boy.

 

[Legion34]

Yeah. He was shooting off his mouth after a loss to the Oilers. Said something about needing to play to win, not play to not lose.

You can read about it here.

Auston Matthews Criticizes Sheldon Keefe’s Coaching

The Toronto Maple Leafs are currently 3-2, but it seems there are tensions rising in the locker room. The team is under tremendous pressure ...

www.nhltraderumors.me

He also dislocated both shoulders already.

He is looking like he might be a Band-Aid boy.

He was benched?

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

He was benched?

Yep.

 

[Canadian Finn]

Sure but they had zero direction because of continual changes in ownership, and infighting at the board level that eventually spilled down into the GMs office.

They gave Fletcher Carte Blanche, and then took it away from him when the board suddenly got uptight about the bottom line, and he had to tear down the best Leafs team since the 60s.

Make no mistake there is a tear down coming, not because of money but because of a problem in the dressing room, I'm not going to speculate but I have a pretty good idea of what it is.

Well, they make the first move by getting rid of the cancer that was our GM.

Cancer spreads. It's best to try and eradicate it at the source.

 

[barilko05]

Well, they make the first move by getting rid of the cancer that was our GM.

Cancer spreads. It's best to try and eradicate it at the source.

Oh Jesus! Now he's a cancer? Granted, he may have been over his head at times and a polarizing figure to opposing sides...but really...A CANCER? FFS this fanbase is looney toons sometimes.

 

[therealkoho]

No issue with you preferring Marner, but to act like Marner is an all around complete player and Matthews is nothing but a shot is utterly ridiculous.

We also have precisely no idea right now what is important to Matthews going into negotiations for an extension. Both players took as much money as they could possibly get on their post ELC deals, so why act like only 1 cared purely about the money last go around

Won't discuss it here Sypher, but I was told it by a guy in the know that something happened behind the scenes back then that soured Marners relationship with management and thereby created a confrontational negotiation when there didn't have to be one. Look at the timing of the signings

Not sure if you heard Freidmans comments about player exit interviews but it doesn't sound like there's a lot wrong that can be fixed and some pretty dark feelings

Ex NHL referee and erstwhile trouble maker Tim Peel tweeted last week or thereabouts, that the Leafs won't ever win with Matthews.

Lots of little negatives have popped up through the years, Ive hesrd enough to say they have a problem

 

[Canadian Finn]

Oh Jesus! Now he's a cancer? Granted, he may have been over his head at times and a polarizing figure to opposing sides...but really...A CANCER? FFS this fanbase is looney toons sometimes.

yes, like cancer he killed us and he spread hit shit to the rest of the team.

thankfully unlike cancer we were able to get rid of him.

after you get rid of cancer sometimes you are weaker as a result. But in the long run, you are way better off.

 

[barilko05]

yes, like cancer he killed us and he spread hit shit to the rest of the team.

thankfully unlike cancer we were able to get rid of him.

after you get rid of cancer sometimes you are weaker as a result. But in the long run, you are way better off.

Buh bye, Spinny Finny. You're officially ignored.

 

[Canadian Finn]

nothing better than someone who can't handle others and chooses to ignore.

life can be difficult for some I guess.

 

[WillNy29]

Won't discuss it here Sypher, but I was told it by a guy in the know that something happened behind the scenes back then that soured Marners relationship with management and thereby created a confrontational negotiation when there didn't have to be one. Look at the timing of the signings

Not sure if you heard Freidmans comments about player exit interviews but it doesn't sound like there's a lot wrong that can be fixed and some pretty dark feelings

Ex NHL referee and erstwhile trouble maker Tim Peel tweeted last week or thereabouts, that the Leafs won't ever win with Matthews.

Lots of little negatives have popped up through the years, Ive hesrd enough to say they have a problem

it was Lou Lamiorello dicking around his ELC with the bonus stuff. Word around those who knew the family is that they were not impressed. That and how Babcock treated him. I'm not sure if there was anything else involved but I know after a while Mitch told his dad to bud out of his business lol

 

[therealkoho]

Maybe you missed the point?

The discussion was if Matthews leaves money on the table to fill out the team, but Paul decides it's all about the greenbacks in marner's pockets.

Matthews takes less to stay.
marner goes for everything, including the money Matthews left on the table to fill out the roster.

34 didn't leave a dime on the table ULF. I don't think anybody in or around the league thought he did. Some thought Dubas naivete was the problem, more thought that Matthews pulled off a heist. The only people thinking it was a good idea was NHLPA, and Matthews agent.

Paul? What you don't think Matthews Sr was sitting in too, pushing just as hard for that contract. Dubas pulled his pants down so fast and that was the only reason there wasn't any negative, because it was signed done and over within a couple of days in Feb.

Paul Marner should not have been trying to negotiate through Dreger, it was brain dead to say the least. And talk about a conflict of interest, Dreger creating his own story.

Dubas shares some of the blame by putting up the big stop sign when 16 asked for the 34 contract telling him to come to his senses. A little insulting to say the least when Mitch agreed to 8x9 in the winter and Dubas told him to hold off till summer.

The word duplicitous comes to mind

 

[Leafsfan74]

I think Luke Fox said he is certain that Matthews won't sign on July 1st. Since his no-trade kicks in I believe it would be insanity for the Leafs not to shop him. In my world NO player is above team and no responsible management would roll the dice with losing him for nothing,

This has to be clearly conveyed to his agent in polite but direct terms.

The more I view this Core Four the more I see the Muskoka Five. No wonder this franchise can't even make it to the Finals.

 

[PromisedLand]

serious question;

given Matthews' injury history, recurring wrist issue and playoff performances how much AAV are people comfortable locking him into?

 

[Apex Predator]

serious question;

given Matthews' injury history, recurring wrist issue and playoff performances how much AAV are people comfortable locking him into?

Depending the term but if he wants to go 3-5 year I’m comfortable at 13 million.

 

[ULF_55]

34 didn't leave a dime on the table ULF. I don't think anybody in or around the league thought he did. Some thought Dubas naivete was the problem, more thought that Matthews pulled off a heist. The only people thinking it was a good idea was NHLPA, and Matthews agent.

We were talking present tense, not past tense.

We were talking about the next contract.

What is in the past is in the past.

Time to move forward.

 

[ULF_55]

I think Luke Fox said he is certain that Matthews won't sign on July 1st. Since his no-trade kicks in I believe it would be insanity for the Leafs not to shop him. In my world NO player is above team and no responsible management would roll the dice with losing him for nothing,

This has to be clearly conveyed to his agent in polite but direct terms.

The more I view this Core Four the more I see the Muskoka Five. No wonder this franchise can't even make it to the Finals.

Under your scenario, Matthews has to be traded before July 1st.

Leafs have no power over Matthews come July 1st.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Under your scenario, Matthews has to be traded before July 1st.

Leafs have no power over Matthews come July 1st.

Yes, this is what must be done unless they have an agrement in principle before that date.

Leafs want to give him all the cards AND have zero power themselves?

if the Core Four return I may just revert to being a Vegas KN fan. They have been the team I have watched for and cheered on other than the Leafs anyways. I've said that Dubas should not have negotiated these contracts at the time and Matthews is structured horribly.

He knows his instrinsive value and that is the problem as he may get it fron T.O and this team will continue to be handcuffed against the cap.

Either obtain a commitment and cost certainty or he must be traded. That's the way this works

 

[ToDavid]

Yeah. The point is he could have a lot more but took less so his team can win.

I’m not sure you understand the question he was asked. He signed the biggest contract in NFL history. He’s saying he doesn’t care that he no longer holds that record, because yah, why would anyone care about that?

Every athlete in the history of the world would probably answer that question the same way.

 

[ULF_55]

Yes, this is what must be done unless they have an agrement in principle before that date.

Leafs want to give him all the cards AND have zero power themselves?

if the Core Four return I may just revert to being a Vegas KN fan. They have been the team I have watched for and cheered on other than the Leafs anyways. I've said that Dubas should not have negotiated these contracts at the time and Matthews is structured horribly.

He knows his instrinsive value and that is the problem as he may get it fron T.O and this team will continue to be handcuffed against the cap.

Either obtain a commitment and cost certainty or he must be traded. That's the way this works

Except there can be nothing binding before July 1st.

He can agree and then change his mind because he doesn't like the new coach/GM.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Enniskillen]

We don’t need him. He is broken. Too many injuries every year, chronic wrist issue and a lack of grit is frustrating.

 

[Canadian Finn]

how about until the team is comfortable with YOU Matthews, the Leafs aren't putting pen to paper.

matthews is so f***ing full of himself.

the quicker he and marner are gone - the better!

 

[Gabriel426]

how about until the team is comfortable with YOU Matthews, the Leafs aren't putting pen to paper.

matthews is so f***ing full of himself.

the quicker he and marner are gone - the better!

Not that I disagree with you but that’s more Luke Fox’s narrative than AM

 

[Leaf Fans]

At least now all the posters that refused to acknowledge that 34 could screw the Leafs over can can save face by blaming it on the loss of the Boy Wonder if he does.

Not that much of a stretch. A significant amount of posters would have blamed Dubas if he were still GM.

He is having a great playoffs .