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News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

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He was reasonable before, & accepted a little less so that the Leafs could use money elsewhere. No reason to think he wouldn't do the same again.
 
Leafsfan74 said:
As I feared six years ago, this team is the perennial SJ Sharks or Oilers of the early 2000s. Playoffs end in misery. I was hoping I wouod be wrong, never thought I would be this right.
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I wonder how Caps fans felt when they had all those years where their team played great in the regular season and failed to go far in the playoffs? Having potentially the greatest goal scorer in NHL history surrounded by other great players and they could never get past the 2nd round in all those years until their Stanley Cup winning year.

It took Ovi and the Caps 13 seasons to move past the 2nd round and win the cup and they haven't been past the 2nd round since. If Leafs fans are complaining about lack of success after 7 seasons, how do Caps fans feel watching nearly double the time in fertility before their team finally won the cup? What if the Caps decided to blow things up after 7 seasons would they still have won the cup? Who knows. But they kept at it and eventually won.

Not saying the Leafs don't need changes, but not every team has success at the same rates. The Leafs just happen to be a team that's taken longer than expected, but that doesn't mean they can't eventually get there like the Caps did.
 
GQS said:
I wonder how Caps fans felt when they had all those years where their team played great in the regular season and failed to go far in the playoffs? Having potentially the greatest goal scorer in NHL history surrounded by other great players and they could never get past the 2nd round in all those years until their Stanley Cup winning year.

It took Ovi and the Caps 13 seasons to move past the 2nd round and win the cup and they haven't been past the 2nd round since. If Leafs fans are complaining about lack of success after 7 seasons, how do Caps fans feel watching nearly double the time in fertility before their team finally won the cup? What if the Caps decided to blow things up after 7 seasons would they still have won the cup? Who knows. But they kept at it and eventually won.

Not saying the Leafs don't need changes, but not every team has success at the same rates. The Leafs just happen to be a team that's taken longer than expected, but that doesn't mean they can't eventually get there like the Caps did.
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And they also had to fire George McPhee and go through a couple coaches to achieve what they did.

Not a shocker Toronto might have to follow a similar trajectory. And Dubas didn't do 1/10th of What McPhee did for Washington.
 
GQS said:
I wonder how Caps fans felt when they had all those years where their team played great in the regular season and failed to go far in the playoffs? Having potentially the greatest goal scorer in NHL history surrounded by other great players and they could never get past the 2nd round in all those years until their Stanley Cup winning year.

It took Ovi and the Caps 13 seasons to move past the 2nd round and win the cup and they haven't been past the 2nd round since. If Leafs fans are complaining about lack of success after 7 seasons, how do Caps fans feel watching nearly double the time in fertility before their team finally won the cup? What if the Caps decided to blow things up after 7 seasons would they still have won the cup? Who knows. But they kept at it and eventually won.

Not saying the Leafs don't need changes, but not every team has success at the same rates. The Leafs just happen to be a team that's taken longer than expected, but that doesn't mean they can't eventually get there like the Caps did.
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Well, Caps did moved out a lot of their old core through the years.
Ovie actually performed in elimination games.
Ovie can't over come Sid

Leafs stuck with the core.
None of the core beside Reilly performed in elimination games. WIllie is okay.
They didn't have anyone to over come, they just missed their opportunities and continued to take playoffs for granted. What disappointed me the most was the boys also brought in the notion that as long as they win the first round, they will steamroll other teams. They didn't play with any desperation in the 2nd round beside Game 4 and 5. They didn't have the pack mentality like they did against TB, if anyone done what Gudas and Bennett did to the Leafs on TB, there will be brawls right away against TB. They didn't create any chaos in front of the net against Bob like what they did against Vas. In short, what they did that made them won against TB, they did none of that against the Panthers.
 
All this speculation about matthews and the gm situation.. well Auston.. the direction of the team is to continue to be a contender for the stanley cut. Lets negotiate that extension

If he puts winning a cup in toronto firat than this noise means less.. if there starts to be funny business well f*** it explore the trade

Run the business
 
Gabriel426 said:
Thats why AM could get whatever he wanted, lol
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Dude my thoughts exactly. All of a sudden his contract makes sense. Getting the best contract in the league with basically no negotation needed - and all during the middle of the season.
 
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Warden of the North said:
I'm still kinda blown away that GMs have agents. I mean I guess I should have figured that some do, but I cant possibly imagine someone like Lou having an agent.
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I think part of it is like lawyers hiring lawyers to represent them, but yeah somebody as experienced as Lou I'd think they do their own. Also depending on their personality I can see them wanting somebody else to help with it so they aren't so involved.

If the Leafs wanted to extend him last year may be different too, wouldn't take as much of your focus if the deadline isn't looming.
 
Who here wants to have a gentlemen's agreement with Mathews agent and the Leafs prior to July 1 which he can sign on July 1?

If he refuses to negotiate are you okay with that?

What figure would be the absolute killing point for you to seriously consider trading him?
 
The rumors of Matthews at 5 years being the highest paid player in the league can officially take a hike now.

It was a media narrative btw, if you didn't notice. Matthews ridiculous demands on a 5 year contracts was a simple part of the little hegelian dialectic that our media played the last time we did negotiations. When Matthews' inevitable 8-year contract gets signed with him being the highest paid player in the league by an insane margin the media completes the circle of the problem, reaction, solution by pointing to Matthews' previous and more insane looking demands and goes "but look at what they negotiated him down from, it's a win guys!"

Same game with Marner. They were throwing out offer sheet BS left right and center and saying that Mitch is demanding 13x5 except his contract turned out so bad that not a lot of people (even the Dubas fans) agreed with it.

But with Dubas gone now - who the f*** knows what's happening with this negotiation.
 
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Who here wants to have a gentlemen's agreement with Mathews agent and the Leafs prior to July 1 which he can sign on July 1?

If he refuses to negotiate are you okay with that?

What figure would be the absolute killing point for you to seriously consider trading him?
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He's gonna ask for 14 mil times 5 imho

Bye

IPS said:
The rumors of Matthews at 5 years being the highest paid player in the league can officially take a hike now.

It was a media narrative btw, if you didn't notice. Matthews ridiculous demands on a 5 year contracts was a simple part of the little hegelian dialectic that our media played the last time we did negotiations. When Matthews' inevitable 8-year contract gets signed with him being the highest paid player in the league by an insane margin the media completes the circle of the problem, reaction, solution by pointing to Matthews' previous and more insane looking demands and goes "but look at what they negotiated him down from, it's a win guys!"

Same game with Marner. They were throwing out offer sheet BS left right and center and saying that Mitch is demanding 13x5 except his contract turned out so bad that not a lot of people (even the Dubas fans) agreed with it.

But with Dubas gone now - who the f*** knows what's happening with this negotiation.
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Yup. Matthews lost money today with his homie getting the boot. Here at least. This is gonna get ugly. IMHO he wants out.
 
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yubbers said:
He's gonna ask for 14 mil times 5 imho

Bye


Yup. Matthews lost money today with his homie getting the boot. Here at least. This is gonna get ugly. IMHO he wants out.
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Exactly. There's tons to the stories this week if you read between the lines.

The core's main motivation for staying with the team was money. Nothing more, nothing less. Dubas is the best GM in the league to get you paid. If despite all this - Matthews wants to stay, then I honestly think he truly does want to win. But I'm leaning towards him wanting out now because him becoming the highest paid player in the league is not looking so good anymore.
 
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With Dubas out the door, Matthews is right behind him. I really think he is going to leave.
 
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Exactly. There's tons to the stories this week if you read between the lines.

The core's main motivation for staying with the team was money. Nothing more, nothing less. Dubas is the best GM in the league to get you paid. If despite all this - Matthews wants to stay, then I honestly think he truly does want to win. But I'm leaning towards him wanting out now because him becoming the highest paid player in the league is not looking so good anymore.
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He'll easily get more than MacKinnon IMO. Leafs will still bend over.
 
Shanny sure loves throwing monkey wrenches in the mix right at super important contract times.

Oh AM contract coming up? Hey Lou...we don't need you. Hey coffee boy... You're in!

Oh AM extension coming up. Let's try no GM this time!
 
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thewave said:
People are going to say if we had Dubas we would have got a better deal. All sorts of things like that are coming. Brace yourselves for the if we still had Dubas'
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Dubas is the reason we are here. Wonder if the dubasites that thought 5 years was a good idea still think so.
 
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