News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[ToneDog]

I totally agree, but the same leverage now also applies to Marner with his NMC.


Yup, agree because Shanahan is still here.

Seven straight years of playoffs. We should be kneeling at their feet. We are not worthy of these winners.

 

[Mess]

Dumabass becomes GM with the 3 amigos on ELCs. Tre becomes GM a month+ before the 3 amigos NMCs kick in with virtually no time to move 16 or 34 if he even considered it.

The team is now f***ed, and will have to overpay the 3 losers all thanks to the brilliance of the last GM and his boss.

TSN overdrive discussion yesterday, Maybe Treliving is winning ?

We are now six weeks into the Auston Matthews and William Nylander contract negotiation saga with no apparent end in sight. Previous reports indicated that Matthews was going to sign his extension a couple of weeks ago, but clearly those reports were wrong. Yesterday on TSN's OverDrive, the guys debated what was happening with and how things would play out with Nylander and, more specifically, Matthews, when host Bryan Hayes raised a very good point.

"I'm just thinking here, maybe there's a chance the Leafs are the ones holding this up. That they're trying to convince him to change his mind on that. That Matthews has said 'I'll sign right now for 3 years, 4 years, whatever the price is' and it's the Leafs buying their time trying to convince him to come off that...There is a chance that could be what is happening here is Matthews is saying 'I'll sign right now for 3, 4, 5, years at this price' and the Leafs are saying 'can we meet up again and try to convince you for 6+ years?'"

The entire time that Matthews has been eligible to sign his extension, everyone has believed that he is the one holding things up and that he holds all the cards. While he may hold all or most of the cards, Brad Treliving has the experience that Kyle Dubas had lacked when negotiating with superstars and is showing it now in not giving into their first or second set of demands and offers to one another. There's an old saying, "if you have time, use it". It appears as though Treliving intends to use the time he has to ensure that he gets these deals right.

 

[ShaneFalco]

The greedy 3
Hard to cheer for that kind of entitlement

 

[Dekes For Days]

Please tell me where this money is available to improve the defence?

We just spent 10m on 3 additions to the forward group. We also signed a new defenseman for 4.15m. And that's before the cap starts rising.
There's enough money to have a good defense. We've been a good defensive team for the past few years under this configuration.

Also, Nylander is asking for $10 million, when all his comparables put him around $9 million.

"All of his comparables" don't put him around 9m, and an initial ask of 10m does not mean that that's where the contracts ends up.

Mess summed it up best in showing how both Matthews and Marner screwed this organization over in both money and term.

Literally everything in that post was wrong. Like fundamentally.

 

[ACC1224]

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Matthews won the Calder not Marner, and Matthews 2 X lead the entire NHL in goal scoring so far, and earned himself a Hart Trophy and Lindsay while a Franchise #1 center is >>> Winger.

Not comparable.

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I am amazed at how this thread can grow by pages a day when nothing has happened for weeks.

People post the same thing every day.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The problem with this line of math thinking is that Matthews’ ELC production rates put him much closer to McDavid’s numbers than it did Eichel’s. Also a year’s cap growth of 4.5M

The day Matthews signed his extension the equivalent contract to McDavid’s deal was 13.25M. Matthews signed for the better part of 2 million less than that, and was in fact nearly mid point between McDavid and Eichel in cap percentage. If he’d gone longer term, his percentage would have moved more toward McDavid, but never quite match his obviously

And haven’t we been told repeatedly that the Oilers offered McDavid something like 13.5M (18%) on his 8 year deal and he countered at 12.5M for the good of the team? If that’s as true as people claim, then his actual valuation by the Oilers was equivalent to 14.31M the day Matthew signed. This last bit is all what ifs though.

It was 13.25m, and it was actually confirmed by those involved. Which would put his valuation at 14.05m under a 79.5m cap.
So it was actually more like...
Eichel (valuation) - 10.6m x 8 years
Matthews (valuation) - 11.6m x 5 years
McDavid (post-discount) - 13.25m x 8 years
McDavid (valuation) - 14.05m x 8 years
And Matthews was way, way, way, closer to McDavid than Eichel. Interestingly, they actually had an identical primary points per game through their respective pre-signing periods.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Did Matthews say that? If so that could be good news, depending of course on what his idea of a team friendly deal is. Call me jaded but if I had to guess, I'd say his idea of a team friendly deal might be 13.5 million for years.

I've seen both his and WIlly's comments reported both here and elsewhere. I'm not sure if it was an literal quote or a paraphrase or just speculation, hence the 'reportedly'.

 

[ToneDog]

Gotta hand it to Matty. Outscored by McDavid by 65 points last year and still wanting to be the highest player in the league. Kid's sure got balls off the ice.

 

[Killer Orcas]

The entire time that Matthews has been eligible to sign his extension, everyone has believed that he is the one holding things up and that he holds all the cards. While he may hold all or most of the cards, Brad Treliving has the experience that Kyle Dubas had lacked when negotiating with superstars and is showing it now in not giving into their first or second set of demands and offers to one another. There's an old saying, "if you have time, use it". It appears as though Treliving intends to use the time he has to ensure that he gets these deals right.

Not that I think Dubas was good at contracts but Treliving made a doozy of a deal that Flames fans will regret for years in Huberdeau and Khadri last year.

 

[Boxscore]

These guys are just a pain in the butt, aren't they? Maybe we could just go on a Draisaitl/Rantanen shopping spree.

Draisaitl & Rantanen over Matthews and Marner every day of the week.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Gotta hand it to Matty. Outscored by McDavid by 65 points last year and still wanting to be the highest player in the league. Kid's sure got balls off the ice.

Not gonna lie, when you put it that way, he does sound kind of greedy.

Draisaitl & Rantanen over Matthews and Marner every day of the week.

Better brace yourself, I envision some advanced/P60/projections projectiles headed in your direction in the very near future.

 

[HockeyVirus]

The dynamics aren't "a bit different", they're completely different. The players have pissed away chance after chance to make some noise in the playoffs by folding every time the stakes are raised. That's why we're in this mess and if that's not on the players who are the ones out there choking, then who the hell is it on?

Yup. It's hard to ignore this. We can throw away the Caps series, we were a young team happy to be there. And even if you think we could and should have beat the Bruins one year, their were in their primes and our guys weren't.

But no excuse for not beating the CBJ. No excuse for not taking out the Habs in the Canadian division. No excuse for not taking advantage of this season and beating the Panthers with a clear path to go on a run.

Leafs org did everything possible. They sold their first every year and kept adding, they gave the players everything they wanted.

It is squarely on the players. No changes to the core and raises all around is so damn depressing.

 

[Stephen]

Draisaitl & Rantanen over Matthews and Marner every day of the week.

Well, I also wouldn’t mind keeping Matthews, and add Draisaitl and Rantanen, move off of Nylander, Marner and Tavares.

 

[Notsince67]

When does Matty fly into TO to start skating with da boys at Ford???????????????????????????????? .. maybe just me but aside from tax considerations about minimizing his time in Canada if he was sure about signing ya think he would be skating with da boys .. tells me something not right when he is MIA

He was training in early July in Arizon ffs. He is keeping in shape and he has a life away from the toxicity here.

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People post the same thing every day.

The tears are fresh though

 

[Mess]

Gotta hand it to Matty. Outscored by McDavid by 65 points last year and still wanting to be the highest player in the league. Kid's sure got balls off the ice.

McDavid owns 5 Art Ross Trophies as league scoring leader.

McDavid has 3 Hart Memorial trophies and regular season MVP.

McDavid has 4 Ted Lindsay Awards as outstanding player.

MvDavid has lead the NHL in goal scoring 1 time.

A greenhorn clueless uniformed Leafs GM gave Matthews a 5 year deal instead of 8 years, and now Matthews believes he is in a prime position to ask for +$1 mil AAV or $13.5 mil which is more than this player who is the best player in the World in Connor McDavid as his comparable.

How can anyone on the planet believe the Leafs need to pay Matthews more than McDavid, no matter how much he asks for, and it just amplifies how bad his current contract is, and how greedy he is ?

 

[Nineteen67]

He was training in early July in Arizon ffs. He is keeping in shape and he has a life away from the toxicity here.


The tears are fresh though

The toxicity and the city itself are big reason they ask for more.

 

[Mess]

Connor McDavid signed for 8 years @ $100 mil total and $12.5 mil AAV and is the best player on the planet, while Matthews signed for 5 years @ $58.17 mil total and $11.364 mil AAV.

IF Matthews said "lets extend my current rate $11.634 for 3 more years to match McDavid 8 year term", that would be a total of $93,073 mil. ( less then $7 mil over 8 year earnings).

Even if that snowballs change in hell happened, Matthews contract and value would still be overpaid for return, compared to McDavid. So Leaf Nation sits here trying to reconcile why the team is being forced to pay him perhaps $13.5 mil on a short-term deal.

I say local Ontario born kid Connor McDavid has 3 years left on his current deal, so lets extend Matthews for 2 more years so that both players hit the UFA market on expiring contracts at the same time and then lets decide who to spend the next Leafs cap on..

 

[Dekes For Days]

How can anyone on the planet believe the Leafs need to pay Matthews more than McDavid

No rumoured UFA contract for Matthews pays him more than McDavid's 16.67% post-discount post-ELC contract, for the record.

 

[TheDoldrums]

How can anyone on the planet believe the Leafs need to pay Matthews more than McDavid

what kind of offers do you think he'll get in free agency next summer if he makes it there?

I'm betting there will be plenty of teams lined up to pay him more than McDavid signed for 6 years ago

 

[HolyCrap]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a dramatic group of middle aged men. This fan base, I tell ya

Don’t be so dramatic. Lol.

 

[Boxscore]

Well, I also wouldn’t mind keeping Matthews, and add Draisaitl and Rantanen, move off of Nylander, Marner and Tavares.

If Draisaitl and Rantanen were locks, I'd take them over M&M in a second, tbh. There would be less drama, headaches, and we'd still have two megastars who would be more reliable and consistent come playoffs. Our guys are talented but they're as soft as pudding, greedy, and entitled.

Example: Florida -- lead by a soft, elite scorer in Huberdeau. Playoffs come around and they underachieve. They swap him (and a number 4 defenseman) for Matthew Tkachuk and he puts them on his back and leads them to a Cup. The kid scores 109 during the season then leveled up in the playoffs and was fully engaged in the war every round, every game, every shift. Our players are creampuffs built for the regular season PS5 brand of hockey. When the real stuff begins, they shrivel.

We've seen enough. 7 years of this core in various formations is enough for me if you can guarantee me Draisaitl and Rantanen. If not, of course I'm trying to convince M&M to come to their senses and commit to this... but only if we can keep building around them like we did this offseason. Which, of course, means they need to take less money. The problem is, we got Domi and Bertuzzi on the cheap short-term because they bet on themselves. But with softies like M&M, we need to keep surrounding them with leaders, foot soldiers, clutch players, and high-in-character types who will get into the trenches when it matters most.

 

[Boxscore]

The toxicity and the city itself are big reason they ask for more.

The reality: Matthews has helped the Leafs win ONE playoff round in SEVEN years. He's been rewarded, cheered, praised, spoiled, and has never been publicly challenged or questioned by the media or fans... ever.

You: The fans, market, and city itself are toxic.

Can't make this up lol.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Imagine Yankee fans if they had not won a WS since 1967. What a dramatic group of middle aged men. LOL.

I am a Yankee fan and I am freaking out at such bad management.
But I know that Judge has an injured toe, that Rodon has a shoulder problem an he had cortisone shots is happenening. But A Matthews is secret about his issues, the Leafs refuse to say if he had off season surgery, or therapy or anything.
Austin Matthews is a frigging joke.
56 years and no one can tell you if the best player who maybe able to lead us to the Stanley is injured, had surgery, therapy or is just a lazy cowardly player about to get 13.5m$ and suck us in again.

 

[notDatsyuk]

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McDavid owns 5 Art Ross Trophies as league scoring leader.

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McDavid has 3 Hart Memorial trophies and regular season MVP.

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McDavid has 4 Ted Lindsay Awards as outstanding player.

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MvDavid has lead the NHL in goal scoring 1 time.

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A greenhorn clueless uniformed Leafs GM gave Matthews a 5 year deal instead of 8 years, and now Matthews believes he is in a prime position to ask for +$1 mil AAV or $13.5 mil which is more than this player who is the best player in the World in Connor McDavid as his comparable.

How can anyone on the planet believe the Leafs need to pay Matthews more than McDavid, no matter how much he asks for, and it just amplifies how bad his current contract is, and how greedy he is ?

You just have to look at the proper comparables.

There was a player coming off a career high 37 goal 73 point season, still an RFA, with a Calder trophy, who signed a multi-year contract for over $11.5M per season.

Matthews is a UFA with a 60 goal 108 point season, with a Calder, two Richards, a Hart, and a Lindsay.

Using the former as a comparable, and taking into account the higher Cap, Matty is obviously worth at least $20M per season.

 

[Nineteen67]

The reality: Matthews has helped the Leafs win ONE playoff round in SEVEN years. He's been rewarded, cheered, praised, spoiled, and has never been publicly challenged or questioned by the media or fans... ever.

You: The fans, market, and city itself are toxic.

Can't make this up lol.

I was quoting a poster who used toxicity, but I certainly can’t blame hockey players for asking for more money to live and play there. Especially guys with other options.