News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[Notsince67]

It's a waste of his time and energy. I would rather one of my top paid players not spend 25mins on the ice with 20 games left in the season so he can do PK duties, and then come game 3 round 2, crap the bed single handedly scuttle any hope we had of coming back.

Why bother doing something that lesser players like McDavid do?
Your answer is a head scratcher

Matthews new contract is all about ego, he has done nothing to deserve highest paid player. He can survive on 10 million per cant he? He doesnt care about winning if he gets above 12 million, so thats exactly what im going to think about watching him. Money is Matthews first priority, everything else is gravy.

You could probably survive on minimum wage if you get a warm blanket for the bench on the park. Why are you so greedy expecting more from an employer?

 

[thewave]

Why bother doing something that lesser players like McDavid do?
Your answer is a head scratcher


You could probably survive on minimum wage if you get a warm blanket for the bench on the park. Why are you so greedy expecting more from an employer?

Game 3 rd 2 was about the most anyone here needed to see. 69% want to trade the guy after that performance and all the other, lets just say likable issues.

We are talking about a player that peak Dougie or Martin St Louis would absolutely dominate 1v1.

The guys not built for the PO and you cant teach that. I can only imagine game 3 was his frustrations at being essentially useless in that series coming out.

Lastly. No joke Hyman would have been more useful to us in rd 2 than mr overpay. Oh and can you tell him to quit fortnite and start working on that acceleration? He is solslow

 

[Racer88]

Why bother doing something that lesser players like McDavid do?
Your answer is a head scratcher


You could probably survive on minimum wage if you get a warm blanket for the bench on the park. Why are you so greedy expecting more from an employer?

Are you really comparing someone on minimum wage asking for a raise with Matthews asking to go from 11.6 to 13.5 or more.

 

[andora]

Are you really comparing someone on minimum wage asking for a raise with Matthews asking to go from 11.6 to 13.5 or more.

Sadly and technically it is no less valid of an argument than you and i saying something about when you get into double digits splitting 1.5 means a lot less relative since either way the player is set for life

It circulates in debates around here over and over.. personally I see it as a justification argument but to each its own

 

[Arzak]

You could probably survive on minimum wage if you get a warm blanket for the bench on the park. Why are you so greedy expecting more from an employer?

Could probably survive or you could freeze to death. Greedy employees asking for a second blanket with a hard blanket cap!!!

I can see why Matthews and by extension Marner should get 13M+ now .

 

[Notsince67]

Are you really comparing someone on minimum wage asking for a raise with Matthews asking to go from 11.6 to 13.5 or more.

We are literally talking about a proposal of paying Matthews around 30% less then his market value. The argument was based on reducing his pay based on his need. It sounds absurd at every level. There is already a socialized aspect of sport. When you go full commie, it doesn't sound so good, does it?

Could probably survive or you could freeze to death. Greedy employees asking for a second blanket with a hard blanket cap!!!

I can see why Matthews and by extension Marner should get 13M+ now .

They are worth considerably more. If there wasn't a cap, the money they generate for the organization and the league due to revenue sharing would merit a lot more.

 

[Racer88]

We are literally talking about a proposal of paying Matthews around 30% less then his market value. The argument was based on reducing his pay based on his need. It sounds absurd at every level. There is already a socialized aspect of sport. When you go full commie, it doesn't sound so good, does it?


They are worth considerably more. If there wasn't a cap, the money they generate for the organization and the league due to revenue sharing would merit a lot more.

Fair enough. In that context I agree. I am anything but full commie. Lol
i am 100% a capitalist

 

[Mess]

After a lengthy hiatus, TSN's Chris Johnston returned to his podcast "The CJ Show" and provided a bit of insight into the Matthews and Nylander extensions. Johnston said over the last month that it has been fairly quiet between the Leafs, Matthews and Nylander. CJ stated that he believes Nylander is hesitant to be the first to sign again due to the pay gap that arose the last time he, Matthews and Mitch Marner signed extensions one after another. He reiterated that Matthews is going to sign, but wants to win and is figuring out the best way to help the Leafs do so.

CJ believes that the Matthews extension will very likely occur very close to the time frame that Nathan MacKinnon's extension was announced last off-season, signing on the eve of training camp. Neither Matthews nor the Leafs want to enter training camp with all of the Toronto media fixated on his extension talks.

With training camp not scheduled to start for another five weeks or so, it means that Leaf fans and media will continue to speculate how long his deal will be and for how much until he signs.

 

[tmlms13]

Maybe he's just doing the media a favour and letting them all have their August off. Because you know the instant he's signed all the Beat Reporters get called back from their vacation.

 

[trellaine201]

Might as well trade him at this point

 

[Racer88]

After a lengthy hiatus, TSN's Chris Johnston returned to his podcast "The CJ Show" and provided a bit of insight into the Matthews and Nylander extensions. Johnston said over the last month that it has been fairly quiet between the Leafs, Matthews and Nylander. CJ stated that he believes Nylander is hesitant to be the first to sign again due to the pay gap that arose the last time he, Matthews and Mitch Marner signed extensions one after another. He reiterated that Matthews is going to sign, but wants to win and is figuring out the best way to help the Leafs do so.

CJ believes that the Matthews extension will very likely occur very close to the time frame that Nathan MacKinnon's extension was announced last off-season, signing on the eve of training camp. Neither Matthews nor the Leafs want to enter training camp with all of the Toronto media fixated on his extension talks.

With training camp not scheduled to start for another five weeks or so, it means that Leaf fans and media will continue to speculate how long his deal will be and for how much until he signs.

If Matthews wants to help the Leafs win maybe he could leave a little meat on the bone to upgrade some other positions and……..oh ya how about showing up in the big games in the playoffs

 

[Leafblooded]

Literally no one cares anymore. Just f*** off. Holding out over a mil, when you're making 10... To play hockey none the less. Please boys, go milk someone else

 

[Dekes For Days]

A player taking a longer term contract has way more leverage to demand a higher AAV with the cap rising significantly for the foreseeable future

The cap currently suppressed below 50% and about to skyrocket certainly puts a wrinkle in long-term signings, but that doesn't make his most valuable years less valuable.

 

[Peasy]

The cap currently suppressed below 50% and about to skyrocket certainly puts a wrinkle in long-term signings, but that doesn't make his most valuable years less valuable.

You know how many big name players have still recently signed long term deals lmao?

Why do our guys always gotta be the black sheep of the league?

 

[Racer88]

I’m torn between wanting a long term contract with Matthews. On one hand I want short term because of his wonky wrists but on the other hand I want long term so that the team can realize some extra value of the player being worth more then his contract value, like so many of the other teams that have players in year 3,4,5,6 of there deals playing above their contract.
If he wants to be at his highest cost all the time then he can screw off right now

You know how many big name players have still recently signed long term deals lmao?

Why do our guys always gotta be the black sheep of the league?

Because Dubas set this precedent but is not around to see the years of pain it will cost us

 

[Dekes For Days]

You know how many big name players have still recently signed long term deals lmao?
Why do our guys always gotta be the black sheep of the league?

Some players are still going to want to lock in that guaranteed money and financial security. Everybody is different, and their situations are different.

We have one guy who is reportedly not looking for an 8 year deal, for pretty understandable reasons that most people signing through cap history did not have to consider, and while it's disappointing, it's not looking like he's trying to inflate his AAV as one normally would for just signing away the most valuable years. Could be a lot worse.

A good way for people to think about it is it creating the 8 years post-ELC they wanted in the first place.

 

[Peasy]

Some players are still going to want to lock in that guaranteed money and financial security. Everybody is different, and their situations are different.

We have one guy who is reportedly not looking for an 8 year deal, for pretty understandable reasons that most people signing through cap history did not have to consider, and while it's disappointing, it's not looking like he's trying to inflate his AAV as one normally would for just signing away the most valuable years. Could be a lot worse.

A good way for people to think about it is it creating the 8 years post-ELC they wanted in the first place.

Yeah, where he would end up taking home nearly the same money McDavid got over the same time, thank you Auston!

It doesn't matter what way you try to spin it, both of them have taken the Leafs to the cleaners and royally f***ed em and have not shown any signs of changing that.

Recent 8 year contracts in the past 12 months:
Mackinnon
Pasta
Aho
Hintz
Sorokin
Meier
PLD
Larkin

The list goes on. Its literally just our guys looking to maximize their dollar at every opportunity.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yeah, where he would end up taking home more money than McDavid over the same time, thank you Auston!

At the rumoured amount, it would actually be less than McDavid over their 8 years post-ELC (and less than McDavid through 2019-2027 specifically too), despite McDavid signing under a lower cap (when he wasn't the player he is now) and taking one of the biggest discounts in cap era history.

It would also be less total cost than 8 years would have cost us back then, and better distributed so that it's less when the cap is less and more when the cap is more.

 

[ULF_55]

Yeah, where he would end up taking home nearly the same money McDavid got over the same time, thank you Auston!

It doesn't matter what way you try to spin it, both of them have taken the Leafs to the cleaners and royally f***ed em and have not shown any signs of changing that.

Recent 8 year contracts in the past 12 months:
Mackinnon
Pasta
Aho
Hintz
Sorokin
Meier
PLD
Larkin

The list goes on. Its literally just our guys looking to maximize their dollar at every opportunity.

At least they are honest about how they feel about the Leafs.

There is still time for them to be winners, but if not we can appreciate their talent and respect them as they respect the franchise.

 

[Peasy]

At the rumoured amount, it would actually be less than McDavid over their 8 years post-ELC (and less than McDavid through 2019-2027 specifically too), despite McDavid signing under a lower cap (when he wasn't the player he is now) and taking one of the biggest discounts in cap era history.

It would also be less total cost than 8 years would have cost us back then, and better distributed so that it's less when the cap is less and more when the cap is more.

Yeah I edited it would be just below.

But still, 8 years post elc:
McDavid: 100m
Matthews if he signs the rumoured 13.5m (just do 3 years to match the 8 years): 98.7m total.

So Matthews over 8 years would make a whopping 160k less each year than McDavid.

 

[Sypher04]

Yeah, where he would end up taking home nearly the same money McDavid got over the same time, thank you Auston!

It doesn't matter what way you try to spin it, both of them have taken the Leafs to the cleaners and royally f***ed em and have not shown any signs of changing that.

Recent 8 year contracts in the past 12 months:
Mackinnon
Pasta
Aho
Hintz
Sorokin
Meier
PLD
Larkin

The list goes on. Its literally just our guys looking to maximize their dollar at every opportunity.

Jesus christ man, who cares. Not attacking you specifically, but this idea that just because other players signed 8 year deals Matthews has to, or should be expected to, or is even the most desirable outcome for us is parroted annoyingly often around these boards. The offseason is the same 2 or 3 issues being beaten to death for 3 months and exactly no one changes sides. It's an exercise in futility.

We have right now no idea what Matthews is going to sign for. Reports out there say between 3 and 5 years, but who knows. It baffles me that people do not seem to realize that Matthews signing 5 or less years is actually beneficial to us given his history of wrist issues. Do you want to be locked into a 13M Matthews years 6-8 when he is 32-34 years old, IF his wrist continues to be a problem? I mean sure, if he stays totally healthy 8 years is great, but I see no downside to being able to re-evaluate in 6 years if he signs for 5. I won't be upset by any means if we do sign him for 8, but 5 honestly sounds perfect.

Also your insinuation that the mid term length deals are purely about maximizing pay is speculative at best.

 

[Peasy]

Jesus christ man, who cares. Not attacking you specifically, but this idea that just because other players signed 8 year deals Matthews has to, or should be expected to, or is even the most desirable outcome for us is parroted annoyingly often around these boards. The offseason is the same 2 or 3 issues being beaten to death for 3 months and exactly no one changes sides. It's an exercise in futility.

We have right now no idea what Matthews is going to sign for. Reports out there say between 3 and 5 years, but who knows. It baffles me that people do not seem to realize that Matthews signing 5 or less years is actually beneficial to us given his history of wrist issues. Do you want to be locked into a 13M Matthews years 6-8 when he is 32-34 years old, IF his wrist continues to be a problem? I mean sure, if he stays totally healthy 8 years is great, but I see no downside to being able to re-evaluate in 6 years if he signs for 5. I won't be upset by any means if we do sign him for 8, but 5 honestly sounds perfect.

Also your insinuation that the mid term length deals are purely about maximizing pay is speculative at best.

Just want our players to sign fair contracts compared to the rest of the league, thats it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Jesus christ man, who cares. Not attacking you specifically, but this idea that just because other players signed 8 year deals Matthews has to, or should be expected to, or is even the most desirable outcome for us is parroted annoyingly often around these boards. The offseason is the same 2 or 3 issues being beaten to death for 3 months and exactly no one changes sides. It's an exercise in futility.

We have right now no idea what Matthews is going to sign for. Reports out there say between 3 and 5 years, but who knows. It baffles me that people do not seem to realize that Matthews signing 5 or less years is actually beneficial to us given his history of wrist issues. Do you want to be locked into a 13M Matthews years 6-8 when he is 32-34 years old, IF his wrist continues to be a problem? I mean sure, if he stays totally healthy 8 years is great, but I see no downside to being able to re-evaluate in 6 years if he signs for 5. I won't be upset by any means if we do sign him for 8, but 5 honestly sounds perfect.

Also your insinuation that the mid term length deals are purely about maximizing pay is speculative at best.

I agree that a 5 year deal might be preferable for us because of wrist issues.

As far as mid term length deals being about maximizing pay, it may be speculative but it also makes a ton of sense, I mean what other reason could there be for Matthews wanting 5 years instead of 8? And isn't that what supposedly happened on his last deal, he wanted 8 years but the Leafs couldn't make the dollar amount work so he signed for less term and less money?

 

[Sypher04]

Just want our players to sign fair contracts compared to the rest of the league, thats it.

I get that, but fair contracts doesn't necessarily mean same term.

 

[Sypher04]

I agree that a 5 year deal might be preferable for us because of wrist issues.

As far as mid term length deals being about maximizing pay, it may be speculative but it also makes a ton of sense, I mean what other reason could there be for Matthews wanting 5 years instead of 8? And isn't that what supposedly happened on his last deal, he wanted 8 years but the Leafs couldn't make the dollar amount work so he signed for less term and less money?

Actually the last contract negotiation favours what I'm saying more than the opposite. Matthews wanted 8 years, they settled on 5. If the rough numbers that were reported years ago are to be believed putting Matthews' ask at around 13M on an 8 year deal vs his 11.6M he got on the 5, he will never make up the lost money between the two options.

(11.634 x 5) + (13.5 x 3) = 98.67

(13 x 8) = 104

He still got paid very very well, but technically he could have stood his ground and demanded the 8 years, so he in fact didn't maximize his money. This actually widens if the ask was closer to 13.5 as Bob McKenzie seemed to possibly insinuate.

As for other reasons he could want shorter term that have nothing to do with pay. There are several, but he most obvious is just keeping options open. If the Leafs have no greater playoff success in the next 3-4 years than the past 7, does Matthews even want to stay past that point in time? Another would be what happens with his teammates over the next few years. Does his desire to play here change if Mitch Marner were to walk as a UFA? I'm just saying that there are other angles, we don't know what things are important to Auston.