News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[SprDaVE]

I'd be fine that this is taking time if talks were about a 8 year deal. The fact that this is dragging on for a mere 3-5 year deal is annoying and puzzling.

 

[notbias]

Which is why he only got 9m

9.5, but splitting hairs. If that playoff history is worth 9.5, Matthews has to be at least 14+

I am just making the point that playoff performances are not normally taken into account, or they are only a very, very small portion of negotiations.

Kane/Toews is the only real example I can think of.

 

[Evilhomer]

Also, those that watched the Capitals at the time knew that Ovechkin himself was a big-game player that wasn't afraid of the big moments. He's not like Matthews or Marner at all, and that's a big reason why he's a Stanley Cup champion and will likely end up scoring more goals than any player in history.

That really wasn't his reputation back then. Other than one playoff stretch in 2009, Ovechkin was pretty roundly criticized for his playoff performances, and the numbers bear that out.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

That really wasn't his reputation back then. Other than one playoff stretch in 2009, Ovechkin was pretty roundly criticized for his playoff performances, and the numbers bear that out.

I'm not sure I agree. Every time I watched him in the playoffs he was engaged and highly motivated.

 

[PromisedLand]

I really hope someone asks Matthews to justify his ask for 4-5 years given what Mack just signed for

Absolutely STUPID

 

[Evilhomer]

I'm not sure I agree. Every time I watched him in the playoffs he was engaged and highly motivated.

I have no doubt he was, and to be clear I don't think those playoff losses were because of him, just as I don't think Toronto's playoff losses are because of Matthews. Anytime a team loses, the team's best player is always going to be criticized, fairly or unfairly, and often inaccurately. I think that is what is happening with Matthews. He's being blamed for the team's failure, but he has really only had one poor playoffs in his NHL career.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I have no doubt he was, and to be clear I don't think those playoff losses were because of him, just as I don't think Toronto's playoff losses are because of Matthews. Anytime a team loses, the team's best player is always going to be criticized, fairly or unfairly, and often inaccurately. I think that is what is happening with Matthews. He's being blamed for the team's failure, but he has really only had one poor playoffs in his NHL career.

I am not defending Matthews but he's just one part of a problem that goes far above him IMO...and he's not the biggest problem.

I think the rot here goes far higher up in the organization than it did for Ovechkin's Caps.

 

[myleafs]

I am suggesting that when he signed his contract he was a terrible playoff performer.

We are talking about signing contracts not what happened after.

So Matthews was also a terrible playoff performer right? last 2 yrs Matthews 18gms 22 pts Tkachuk 32 gms 34 pts...

 

[notbias]

So Matthews was also a terrible playoff performer right? last 2 yrs Matthews 18gms 22 pts Tkachuk 32 gms 34 pts...

I am talking about what happened before they signed a contract, you need to look at the convo instead of blindly replying...

Also, what does it look like over 3 years? Curious...

The 2 year sample size, Matthews is better... And that is Tkachuk's 2 best years.

 

[myleafs]

9.5, but splitting hairs. If that playoff history is worth 9.5, Matthews has to be at least 14+

I am just making the point that playoff performances are not normally taken into account, or they are only a very, very small portion of negotiations.

Kane/Toews is the only real example I can think of.

Matthews 50gms 44pts
Tkachuk 47gms 39pts

So how does Matthews come in at 14+? and Tkachuk only 9.5?

 

[Jozay]

I'd be fine that this is taking time if talks were about a 8 year deal. The fact that this is dragging on for a mere 3-5 year deal is annoying and puzzling.

Guy probably wanta 13.5 for 3 years and the Leafs are sitting there like wtf lol

 

[myleafs]

I have no doubt he was, and to be clear I don't think those playoff losses were because of him, just as I don't think Toronto's playoff losses are because of Matthews. Anytime a team loses, the team's best player is always going to be criticized, fairly or unfairly, and often inaccurately. I think that is what is happening with Matthews. He's being blamed for the team's failure, but he has really only had one poor playoffs in his NHL career.

44pts in 50 playoff gms doesnt scream playoff performer

 

[notbias]

Matthews 50gms 44pts
Tkachuk 47gms 39pts

So how does Matthews come in at 14+? and Tkachuk only 9.5?

I'm going to help you out because you seem to be getting lost in the conversation.

We are talking about people using playoffs in their contract negotiations.

Tkachuk had 15pts in 27 games before his current contract.

Based on that number, how much more valuable is Matthews' 44 in 50 while negotiating his contract?

I am arguing playoff production is rarely ever used unless it is positive like Kane/Toews.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Ever notice that with every other team/player raw points dictate contract value? And that it adds up with the contract value of every other player in the league (other than leafs players) when it comes to raw points?

Go to the bruins forum regarding Pastrnaks new contract. Is anybody talking about the significance of primary assists per 60? If somebody started talking about such nonsense there, they'd be thread banned for being insane.

Check out the Canes board. Is anybody talking about Aho's zone entries or PK time? No, they aren't. They're looking at raw point production like literally everybody else in the world outside the leaf board.

Want to know why? Because every other team pays players PROPERLY based on raw point production. Their fans don't need to dish out bullshit insane spin to rationalize contracts. Only the leafs pay players way more than they’re worth. So that leads to propagandists coming in and trying to rationalize the overpayments.

Matthews was 22nd in points last year and has a LONG history of injury issues. And he wants to be paid as the best player in the world who is healthy.

And we have people in here defending it. I honestly just can't take it anymore.

 

[Legion34]

So you suggest that Tkachuk did not provide more to his team than AM did. Sorry I cannot top that view with anything that would make sense to you.

????

Tkachuks contract was signed after….. he was a disaster in Calgary in the playoffs. that’s a silly precedent.

I mean can we sign Matthews for 16 and just assume he will set all time Stanley cup records?

 

[Legion34]

Was Matthews injured in 2020-2021 playoffs against Montreal?

Maybe this is the excuse for those playoffs?

Matthews was injured those playoffs. It was known he was injured. He couldn’t hold a stick for like a month and required off season surgery.

The fact that he is injured so much makes me want a 5 not 8 year deal

Dekes said he wasn't hurt chronically, that may not be true. He took fewer interviews, he was far quieter, at times disinterested. Even celebrations were more muted.
So based on last year, is he in McD range?
Big decision for Leafs for next 5 to 8 years. Give up WN, and maybe have another high paid guy who gets 80 points.
So how much do you pay him?
I say no more than 3 year term and anywhere 12 to 13.5 is ok, but NEVER more than 3 years and no NTC in year 3.


Which is why he only got 9m

No the taxes are why he only got 9.5 million.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Matthews was injured those playoffs. It was known he was injured. He couldn’t hold a stick for like a month and required off season surgery.

The fact that he is injured so much makes me want a 5 not 8 year deal



No the taxes are why he only got 9.5 million.

Taxes for AM are reduced by him living in tax free state of Arizona too, just not as long each year.

 

[Niagara Bill]

I am suggesting that when he signed his contract he was a terrible playoff performer.

We are talking about signing contracts not what happened after.

You make a point but what he was paid was speculation and they traded a skilled guy for him. They did their research, theybwstch his leadership, commitment effort etc.
It was a risk.
we cannot afford to risk 8 years find out last years version of AM is real and lose WN to.
give him 2 o3 yrs max, for not include NTC for last year, and move on. Passing June 30th caused us to lose WN next year for sure. We cannot miss on AM for 5 to 8 years or 56 becomes 66.

 

[hamzarocks]

I'm going to help you out because you seem to be getting lost in the conversation.

We are talking about people using playoffs in their contract negotiations.

Tkachuk had 15pts in 27 games before his current contract.

Based on that number, how much more valuable is Matthews' 44 in 50 while negotiating his contract?

I am arguing playoff production is rarely ever used unless it is positive like Kane/Toews.

Based of Mack's playoff stats at the time of his signing Matthews should be at 9.5M too

Mack is Matthews direct comparable

He should get Mack's cap % on 8 years at 87.7M expected cap

~13.5m x 8

Not 13.5M x 3 or 4

Eliot Friedman just reported he believes Matthews wants to sign at a medium term at highest cap hit in the league.

He will be the greatest choker to play this sport

 

[Kiwi]

Guy probably wanta 13.5 for 3 years and the Leafs are sitting there like wtf lol

Worst thing is you know some idiot is going to be in here arguing about how he "gave some back" and didn't "rinse the team"

 

[notbias]

Based of Mack's playoff stats at the time of his signing Matthews should be at 9.5M too

Mack is Matthews direct comparable

He should get Mack's cap % on 8 years at 87.7M expected cap

~13.5m x 8

Not 13.5M x 3 or 4


He will be the greatest choker to play this sport

Why do you suggest we should sign him for 8 years if he is the greatest choker? Shouldn't you be arguing we let him walk?

No one will trade for the greatest choker.

 

[hamzarocks]

Why do you suggest we should sign him for 8 years if he is the greatest choker? Shouldn't you be arguing we let him walk?

No one will trade for the greatest choker.

8 years gives us more time to hope that we can get the leaders who can snap/whip him into a good offensive playoff performer. By himself he isn't a guy you would want to rely on

The chokes are growing legendary at this point.

Joe Thornton amd Patrick Marleau left their marks on him it would seem

We should have dealt him before July 1st and his NMC. Treliving screwed that up and no will push us into another era of failure by giving matthews a gross 4 year deal

Letting him walk will let us rebuild again just no assets for him or nylander makes a 3-4 year turnaround likely 5-6 years

 

[Racer88]

Bottom line is if Matthews had any desire to be a Leaf other then the over inflated paycheque this contract would be signed and done with by now.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Ever notice that with every other team/player raw points dictate contract value? And that it adds up with the contract value of every other player in the league (other than leafs players) when it comes to raw points?

Go to the bruins forum regarding Pastrnaks new contract. Is anybody talking about the significance of primary assists per 60? If somebody started talking about such nonsense there, they'd be thread banned for being insane.

Check out the Canes board. Is anybody talking about Aho's zone entries or PK time? No, they aren't. They're looking at raw point production like literally everybody else in the world outside the leaf board.

Want to know why? Because every other team pays players PROPERLY based on raw point production. Their fans don't need to dish out bullshit insane spin to rationalize contracts. Only the leafs pay players way more than their worth. So that leads to propagandists coming in and trying to rationalize the overpayments.

Matthews was 22nd in points last year and has a LONG history of injury issues. And he wants to be paid as the best player in the world who is healthy.

Amen.

And we have people in here defending it. I honestly just can't take it anymore.

"Remember Jerry...it's not a lie, if you believe it."
- George Costanza

 

[Evilhomer]

44pts in 50 playoff gms doesnt scream playoff performer

In Ovechkin's first 58 playoff games he had 61 points. Is that really significantly better than Matthews' numbers? Then it took another five years after that for him to win the Cup. The truth is that in the entirety of Ovechkin's career there was one playoff where everything broke right and the team won. it doesn't take away from the fact that he was probably the second best player in the NHL in his prime. The same will happen for Matthews at some point. Everything will break right, and his team will win.