News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[JKG33]

You missed other players getting more favorable situational play better linemates and easier quality of competition

Yea, because they get to play against the Leafs

 

[andora]

Yea, because they get to play against the Leafs

I was talking regular season.. zing!

 

[egd27]

Because number of rounds the team won in the past doesn't actually tell you everything about everything like many people here seem to think it does.

Tells most of us that they haven't been good enough to get even close to their goal of winning the Stanley Cup.

 

[Niagara Bill]

But dekes knows that Matthews injury from last year is not chronic. Because he’s an employee.

But I do agree that if Matthews really is looking for a 3-4 year deal, he’s clearly betting on his health. Otherwise he’d take the 8 year deal in a heartbeat (Like literally everybody else).

BS, he had the wrist for 2 seasons, and long term both years. He played last yr like a 31 yr old. Slower, to the outside, behind the play not leading.
Dekes may know....maybe...but if the wrist shows up again this season his cred is done.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Not sure where you got bad back and shoulder from, and there's no been no indication that his wrist injury is something that will continue past an offseason of healing.

2 seasons in a row if erupt cknderns 2 bad shoulders at various times last year, and his skating was bad last year. Many times commented on by HNIC. So either injured or out of shape. Either way unable to give the Leafx 13.5m effort.

 

[Racer88]

Matthews' conditioning was garbage to start the season. Dude was huffing and puffing like a chain smoker after every shift. It didn't improve IMO as the season went on. Also, he looked slower on his skates compared to past seasons

To many burritos and tacos in the off season

 

[Dekes For Days]

Tells most of us that they haven't been good enough to get even close to their goal of winning the Stanley Cup.

You may think it does, but it doesn't.

2 seasons in a row if erupt cknderns 2 bad shoulders at various times last year, and his skating was bad last year.

He had a wrist injury in 2020-2021, and a wrist injury in 2022-2023. No idea where you're getting anything else.
All players get injured sometimes.

 

[Boxscore]

You may think it does, but it doesn't.

He had a wrist injury in 2020-2021, and a wrist injury in 2022-2023. No idea where you're getting anything else.
All players get injured sometimes.

I'm sorry, but reading your posts, I'd think we were a dynasty who just celebrated our 4th Cup win this summer. I'd never guess in a million years we were a team of overpaid marshmallow men who won 1 playoff round in 7 years. No matter the criticism, evidence, or debate, according to you there's always a reason, excuse, or everyone else is seeing it completely wrong. According to you Matthews deserves to be the highest paid player in the world, Mitch Marner is a 200-foot titan, the Leafs are elite, and every other superstar or great team is overrated. The thing is, if your accounts were accurate, we wouldn't be having these conversations -- we'd be bragging to the forum how the Leafs are the greatest team since the 80s Oilers. Honestly, you are acting like a quasi-agent or team cheerleader.

 

[Racer88]

You may think it does, but it doesn't.

He had a wrist injury in 2020-2021, and a wrist injury in 2022-2023. No idea where you're getting anything else.
All players get injured sometimes.

Soooooo 2 seasons in a row with wrist injuries……….hmmmmmm not encouraging and certainly we don’t want him on a long contract

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'm sorry, but reading your posts, I'd think we were a dynasty who just celebrated our 4th Cup win this summer. I'd never guess in a million years we were a team of overpaid marshmallow men who won 1 playoff round in 7 years.

We're not a dynasty or a "team of overpaid marshmallow men". We're a top tier team, with some top tier players, that hasn't happened to win the cup yet.

According to you Matthews deserves to be the highest paid player in the world, Mitch Marner is a 200-foot titan, the Leafs are elite, and every other superstar or great team is overrated.

Objectively, Matthews does deserve the highest current contract in the NHL until McDavid's contract comes due, Marner is a 200 foot titan, and the Leafs are elite. Every other superstar or team isn't overrated, and I've never said as such. The issue is that some people attempt to underrate our players and team, and try to compare our players to specifically chosen players that are objectively worse, by purposefully ignoring critical context in an extremely limited evaluation.

Soooooo 2 seasons in a row with wrist injuries…

Those seasons aren't in a row, and he was still the runaway best goal-scorer in the league and one of the best players in the league in 2020-2021.

 

[Niagara Bill]

You may think it does, but it doesn't.

He had a wrist injury in 2020-2021, and a wrist injury in 2022-2023. No idea where you're getting anything else.
All players get injured sometimes.

56 years of rose colored glasses. No one suggests AM is not very good player. His effort/injuries/timidness/leadership is of concern to spend top top money on. We already have over paid JT, not his fault, the Leafs did it.
If he has chronic wrist, shoulders, hip or what ever as it appeared last year and we over pay him...another 10 years we know we have to wait. If he is just a timid or lazy guy, we are done for years.
Either of these is very possible after last year's performance. AND he now is an untradeable asset.
Last night Bichette was hurt. Do you not think he, his teammates, his coach, the broadcasters will report on what happened, what the treatment may be, what the long term effect is. I know more about Aaron Judges toe than I need to know.
AM has the most famous wrist in Toronto. AM says FU, I am not commenting, it is my right. I will hide in 45 degree heat in Arizona.
I don't trust him or his agent or the Leafs to be strong enough to face reality. And dont suggest doctors have seen him, cannot trust that process, his doc vs Leafs doc.
Matt Murray was cleared to play in May, how did that work out.

 

[Dekes For Days]

His effort/injuries/timidness/leadership is of concern to spend top top money on.

The only thing in that list that is of any concern is injuries, and there's no indication that what he was dealing with last year will carry forward.
You don't not sign one of the best players the franchise has ever seen because he got injured before. By that logic, Pittsburgh shouldn't have signed Crosby or Malkin.
The team would know his situation, and if Matthews' future was really threatened, he wouldn't be opting for a shorter contract.

We already have over paid JT, not his fault, the Leafs did it.

We didn't overpay anybody.

Last night Bichette was hurt. Do you not think he, his teammates, his coach, the broadcasters will report on what happened, what the treatment may be, what the long term effect is.

Yeah, the injury and timeline will probably be mentioned, because we're in-season and it's keeping him out of games. Opponents also can't really directly target an injury in baseball like you can in hockey. But in the offseason, nobody's following and harassing Bichette because some guy on the internet really wants to know every detail.

 

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Some reading, no news.

Treliving does have 8 draft picks he can use along with players to improve the team.

 

[myleafs]

I'm sorry, but reading your posts, I'd think we were a dynasty who just celebrated our 4th Cup win this summer. I'd never guess in a million years we were a team of overpaid marshmallow men who won 1 playoff round in 7 years. No matter the criticism, evidence, or debate, according to you there's always a reason, excuse, or everyone else is seeing it completely wrong. According to you Matthews deserves to be the highest paid player in the world, Mitch Marner is a 200-foot titan, the Leafs are elite, and every other superstar or great team is overrated. The thing is, if your accounts were accurate, we wouldn't be having these conversations -- we'd be bragging to the forum how the Leafs are the greatest team since the 80s Oilers. Honestly, you are acting like a quasi-agent or team cheerleader.

Nailed it!

 

[Racer88]

And whether his best friend remains in Toronto.

His best friends are Benjamins

 

[MCR74]

I'm sorry, but reading your posts, I'd think we were a dynasty who just celebrated our 4th Cup win this summer. I'd never guess in a million years we were a team of overpaid marshmallow men who won 1 playoff round in 7 years. No matter the criticism, evidence, or debate, according to you there's always a reason, excuse, or everyone else is seeing it completely wrong. According to you Matthews deserves to be the highest paid player in the world, Mitch Marner is a 200-foot titan, the Leafs are elite, and every other superstar or great team is overrated. The thing is, if your accounts were accurate, we wouldn't be having these conversations -- we'd be bragging to the forum how the Leafs are the greatest team since the 80s Oilers. Honestly, you are acting like a quasi-agent or team cheerleader.

Beautiful.

 

[DutchHockeyGuy]

I'm sorry, but reading your posts, I'd think we were a dynasty who just celebrated our 4th Cup win this summer. I'd never guess in a million years we were a team of overpaid marshmallow men who won 1 playoff round in 7 years. No matter the criticism, evidence, or debate, according to you there's always a reason, excuse, or everyone else is seeing it completely wrong. According to you Matthews deserves to be the highest paid player in the world, Mitch Marner is a 200-foot titan, the Leafs are elite, and every other superstar or great team is overrated. The thing is, if your accounts were accurate, we wouldn't be having these conversations -- we'd be bragging to the forum how the Leafs are the greatest team since the 80s Oilers. Honestly, you are acting like a quasi-agent or team cheerleader.

Such a well written post. Thank you for that.

Not only just one playoff round in 7 years for this unprecedented mix of super stars. They are yet to be the best team in the Atlantic/Northeast Division. It has been 23 years since the Leafs won their division. I know we finished top in that weird North-division n covid-times, but that was such a weird circumstance, I fail to take it seriously.

I do believe everyone of those guys individually is very good and Matthews and Marner are among the elite in the league in the regular season. But as a combination this top-heavy team has not worked and I have no reason to believe things will be different next year. Hope yes. But a fresh start with at least a few major changes would have cheered me up after the hopeless and gutless exit against Florida.

 

[keonsbitterness]

He was hurt last summer and did not train properly and he ballooned coming into camp .. it took him 20-25 games to get back to game shape .. not saying he doesn't train hard but with his injury history it may again .. dude has a huge frame a big boned dude who can pack it on

No doubt in my mind he was overweight to start the season.

Matt Murray was cleared to play in May, how did that work out.

He was cleared to sit on the bench. Not sure he would have played even if Woll broke his leg.

 

[Niagara Bill]

The only thing in that list that is of any concern is injuries, and there's no indication that what he was dealing with last year will carry forward.
You don't not sign one of the best players the franchise has ever seen because he got injured before. By that logic, Pittsburgh shouldn't have signed Crosby or Malkin.
The team would know his situation, and if Matthews' future was really threatened, he wouldn't be opting for a shorter contract.

We didn't overpay anybody.

Yeah, the injury and timeline will probably be mentioned, because we're in-season and it's keeping him out of games. Opponents also can't really directly target an injury in baseball like you can in hockey. But in the offseason, nobody's following and harassing Bichette because some guy on the internet really wants to know every detail.

Crosby has never taken a shift off and his injuries, while severe, were well explained, open for fans to know and his leadership is unquestioned. Pitt never had to bring in another player to be captain.
JT is not an 11m man. Great for the team, but over valued today and the last 2 yrs. You know if he didn't have a ntc he would be gone, right. His salary and value is why we may lose WN.
It is off season, nobody can target his injury, unless it is chronic.

 

[Niagara Bill]

No doubt in my mind he was overweight to start the season.

He was cleared to sit on the bench. Not sure he would have played even if Woll broke his leg.

Agreed, but doctors hired by Leafs cleared him to play or he couldn't be back up. The same guys dealing with a very important wrist.

 

[therealkoho]

2 seasons in a row if erupt cknderns 2 bad shoulders at various times last year, and his skating was bad last year. Many times commented on by HNIC. So either injured or out of shape. Either way unable to give the Leafx 13.5m effort.

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Maple Leafs' Auston Matthews on latest shoulder injury: 'It sucks'

Auston Matthews knows the mental test that awaits.

torontosun.com

Published Oct 29, 2018 •
Auston Matthews knows the mental test that awaits.

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The Maple Leafs’ 21-year-old superstar has been down the injury road before, of course, having missing 20 games last season, and he is bolstering himself for the period of inactivity.

The Leafs announced on Monday that Matthews will be out of the lineup for a minimum of four weeks with a shoulder injury, suffered on Saturday in a game against the Winnipeg Jets, and will be placed on injured reserve.

Matthews hurt his left shoulder when he absorbed a hit from Jets defenceman Jacob Trouba during the second period, and said the injury is similar to the one he suffered last season, when a separated right shoulder caused him to miss 10 games in February and March.

Matthews endured an upper-body injury last November, missing four games, and missed six games in December because of a concussion.

No surgery is required, Matthews said.

“It’s frustrating,” Matthews said. “We have a great medical team here, so you know they are going to take care of you and get you back out there as soon as possible and you are feeling 100%.

“Just have to let it heal and do everything I can to stay in shape. It’s not the position you want to be in, but at least you can still skate once it starts to heal a little bit and feel better, get back on the ice and try to stay in game shape.”

Matthews has a history of shoulder problems, dating to before his NHL career.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Crosby has never taken a shift off and his injuries, while severe, were well explained, open for fans to know and his leadership is unquestioned. Pitt never had to bring in another player to be captain. JT is not an 11m man. Great for the team, but over valued today and the last 2 yrs. You know if he didn't have a ntc he would be gone, right. His salary and value is why we may lose WN. It is off season, nobody can target his injury, unless it is chronic.

Matthews has also never taken a shift off, and his leadership is praised by everybody that matters. That also has nothing to do with the actual discussion of signing a player that has been injured a lot. The Crosby situation was not well explained at all. There was a TON of public secrecy and confusion around that for a long time, and people didn't know for a long time what his actual injury was or what Crosby's career would be like moving forward. It was also massively more serious and career threatening than anything Matthews has gone through. That didn't stop Pittsburgh from committing to him for 12 years after a 22 game season. And I notice you didn't even bother attempting to justify Malkin under your logic.

They didn't have to bring Tavares in to be captain at all, and Tavares getting a 13.84% UFA contract is entirely justified, and he's held up his end quite well. NMC or not, he'd be on this team. What happens with Nylander has nothing to do with Tavares.

And yeah, it is offseason, so you don't need to know right now. You're not going to get the same level of reporting on things in the offseason, and that shouldn't mean you automatically jump to a worst case scenario that there's no reason to believe is the case.

 

[Shanty]

I thought it was a different wrist each time right?

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I'm sorry, but reading your posts, I'd think we were a dynasty who just celebrated our 4th Cup win this summer. I'd never guess in a million years we were a team of overpaid marshmallow men who won 1 playoff round in 7 years. No matter the criticism, evidence, or debate, according to you there's always a reason, excuse, or everyone else is seeing it completely wrong. According to you Matthews deserves to be the highest paid player in the world, Mitch Marner is a 200-foot titan, the Leafs are elite, and every other superstar or great team is overrated. The thing is, if your accounts were accurate, we wouldn't be having these conversations -- we'd be bragging to the forum how the Leafs are the greatest team since the 80s Oilers. Honestly, you are acting like a quasi-agent or team cheerleader.

:tips hat:

 

[Niagara Bill]

Matthews has also never taken a shift off, and his leadership is praised by everybody that matters. That also has nothing to do with the actual discussion of signing a player that has been injured a lot. The Crosby situation was not well explained at all. There was a TON of public secrecy and confusion around that for a long time, and people didn't know for a long time what his actual injury was or what Crosby's career would be like moving forward. It was also massively more serious and career threatening than anything Matthews has gone through. That didn't stop Pittsburgh from committing to him for 12 years after a 22 game season. And I notice you didn't even bother attempting to justify Malkin under your logic.

They didn't have to bring Tavares in to be captain at all, and Tavares getting a 13.84% UFA contract is entirely justified, and he's held up his end quite well. NMC or not, he'd be on this team. What happens with Nylander has nothing to do with Tavares.

And yeah, it is offseason, so you don't need to know right now. You're not going to get the same level of reporting on things in the offseason, and that shouldn't mean you automatically jump to a worst case scenario that there's no reason to believe is the case.

Who are you Dubas.
Of course AM is questioned, and many many people question his leadership that is why he was NOT made captain. And yes JT is now over paid and hoping down hill. That is not to say he isn't great guy and player, but not worth what he is getting.
Fact..JT came to The Leafs, was made captain. AM was not, so do not look so dumb denying it.
Do we need to list the players who teams committed to and never lived up to their promise.
When that happens it takes years to recover, and in the end Pitt will pay for Crisby and Malkin deals.
The only reason the need to know about AM injury is my team is trying to negotiate a contract, and lost the right to trade him July 1, and our biggest asset is potentially going down the tubes...year 57...and if we fu the dollars and term and he continues his slide or injury problem then I likely will never see Stanley come to Toronto. Only guys like you who love individual players more than the team and Gary Bettman will be happy when 56 becomes 66.