News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[Stephen]

Speculation on full term deal based on % of projected Cap.

The belief is also that Matthews might consider a seven or even eight-year deal, but only if the deal came with a cap hit that accounted for where the cap is going, not where it is today.

An eight-year deal, for instance, might come with a $16 million cap hit, given how high the cap is projected to rise.

I bet Siegel is laying PR groundwork for when it’s $14.5 million for X years and people can say it could have been $16. Same thing with Tavares phantom San Jose offer.

 

[PromisedLand]

It wouldn’t be.

I f***ing despise lazy articles like Siegel’s “work” here. Because he’s completely wrong, and speculating but the end result is people take it at face value and don’t think critically and the argument spun in directions it has no reason to go.

Matthews is asking or getting 16Mx8

There is no world in which that happens.

If Matthews was willing to sign a reasonable contract extension it would have been announced by now.

Since there is no extension in place yet; what do you think it means?

 

[Sypher04]

Matthews signed his 5 yr deal at 11.6; for 8 yr deal he was looking at higher AAV

In which world is Matthews worth more than Mack on the 8 year deal especially given the earning potential in endorsements Matthews has per year when he is a Leaf?

It amazes me that you are advocating Matthews gets the most money. Are you a Leafs fan or Auston Matthews fan?

Matthews previous deal was an RFA deal, the mechanics work entirely reversed as you’re paying for a player moving into their prime years instead of moving out of them.

Again, endorsements are irreverent. They are money paid out for work conducted above and beyond NHL contact obligations and no NHL agent is allowing a club to negotiate NHL earnings down based on them. None.

As for your last point. I’m not advocating for anything. I’d be thrilled to see Matthews take below highest paid. I’m merely arguing against the sentiment he doesn’t deserve to be there in pay. None of want to pay more than necessary.

 

[PromisedLand]

I bet Siegel is laying PR groundwork for when it’s $14.5 million for X years and people can say it could have been $16. Same thing with Tavares phantom San Jose offer.

even 14.5 is an overpayment for Matthews. He hasn't earned any of that. I don't get why people are content with 14.5 AAV here regardless of the term.

This team isn't going to achieve anything with that kind of cap allocation

 

[Sypher04]

If Matthews was willing to sign a reasonable contract extension it would have been announced by now.

Since there is no extension in place yet; what do you think it means?

Contracts are complex. MacKinnon didn’t sign his extension until September. There is precisely nothing to read into it right now

 

[ULF_55]

That’s not a “report” it’s a ridiculous number based on bad math. I don’t know what Matthews does or does not want but that article is hilariously bad. He’s acting like Matthews is the first player in NHL history to sign a contract with the expectation that the cap will go up. It’s nonsensical.

Matthews already signed a contract based on the Cap going up ... which it didn't do.

Good for Matthews, not so much for Leafs or their fans.

 

[PromisedLand]

Matthews previous deal was an RFA deal, the mechanics work entirely reversed as you’re paying for a player moving into their prime years instead of moving out of them.

Again, endorsements are irreverent. They are money paid out for work conducted above and beyond NHL contact obligations and no NHL agent is allowing a club to negotiate NHL earnings down based on them. None.

As for your last point. I’m not advocating for anything. I’d be thrilled to see Matthews take below highest paid. I’m merely arguing against the sentiment he doesn’t deserve to be there in pay. None of want to pay more than necessary.

Endorsements are clearly NOT irrelevant. It amazes me that you just want to sweep that under the rug.

It is about "earning potential" for the athlete in a given year.

In which other market Matthews gets about 4 to 5 million annual extra money? Him being a Leaf gives him that extra "earning potential"; and only because he is a Leaf.

No way Matthews is worth 1M more than Mack on 8 year deal; forget about 5 year deal.

Agents can ask for the moon; the team doesn't have to bendover. Dubas set a bad precedent, a really bad one at that, the new GM doesn't have to follow the same route. If he does, he is worse than Dubas

 

[Sypher04]

even 14.5 is an overpayment for Matthews. He hasn't earned any of that. I don't get why people are content with 14.5 AAV here regardless of the term.

This team isn't going to achieve anything with that kind of cap allocation

Who is content with 14.5?
I think most of us have said up to 13.5 is where we’d be comfortable.

I have said previously however, that if I’m the Leafs, I’m simply not losing Matthews over 500k.

 

[PromisedLand]

Contracts are complex. MacKinnon didn’t sign his extension until September. There is precisely nothing to read into it right now

So you want to you MacKinnon when it comes to when the contract is signed; but you don't want to use is AAV as a comparable?

make up your mind. Either Mack is a comparable or not?

 

[PromisedLand]

Who is content with 14.5?
I think most of us have said up to 13.5 is where we’d be comfortable.

I have said previously however, that if I’m the Leafs, I’m simply not losing Matthews over 500k.

In the cap world and a "team" sport; one individual isn't that important unless that individual is McDavid (an outlier).

Matthews can be dealt and Leafs can retool. There is no reason to give that extra 500K to Matthews, there is 7 years worth of evidence of Matthews brings in the post season esepcially. He has broken a 100pt barrier only once in his NHL career and that too when he was playing agains the crappy "Canadian Division" in the covid cup only to then again fail miserably against the habs.

Its a team game, one cannot cater exclusively to just "one" player who hasn't shown any evidence of taking the team on his back and pulling them forward.

 

[Sypher04]

Endorsements are clearly NOT irrelevant. It amazes me that you just want to sweep that under the rug.

It is about "earning potential" for the athlete in a given year.

In which other market Matthews gets about 4 to 5 million annual extra money? Him being a Leaf gives him that extra "earning potential"; and only because he is a Leaf.

No way Matthews is worth 1M more than Mack on 8 year deal; forget about 5 year deal.

Agents can ask for the moon; the team doesn't have to bendover. Dubas set a bad precedent, a really bad one at that, the new GM doesn't have to follow the same route. If he does, he is worse than Dubas

They are not relevant. At all. For all the reasons I already outlined. As I stated before, they are a perk, not an NHL contract negotiation point. In fact, it’s against the rules for them to be discussed as far as I understand.

But whatever, we can agree to disagree. I despise circular arguments

 

[Stephen]

even 14.5 is an overpayment for Matthews. He hasn't earned any of that. I don't get why people are content with 14.5 AAV here regardless of the term.

This team isn't going to achieve anything with that kind of cap allocation

No kidding. My point is Siegel’s article will be cross referenced as evidence of what a success it was when the number comes in lower. Which it will.

I don’t think people like Siegel realize what a dysfunctional cycle they contribute to when they throw out sensationalist numbers like this to shape public discussion. People get sick of the talking points, the players, the franchise. Just tiresome.

 

[Sypher04]

So you want to you MacKinnon when it comes to when the contract is signed; but you don't want to use is AAV as a comparable?

make up your mind. Either Mack is a comparable or not?

I’ve very clearly used Mac as comparable on AAV, so swing and a miss

 

[pentaguyy]

Who would sign in a city that just elected a communist mayor that will lead to strung out heroin addicts laying around. Why would he buy property in Toronto when the tax is about to double.. his income tax will already be higher here than all but 1 other team in the NHL.

The extra $4-5 mill of endorsement money certainly means little when you're a natural born american stuck living in a country where the internet's largest news providers are now refusing to serve Canadians on the internet and the rest of your freedoms are disappearing.


Guy is gone, give it up.

 

[ORRFForever]

You must employ some serious selective reading.

LOL. I must.

 

[PromisedLand]

They are not relevant. At all. For all the reasons I already outlined. As I stated before, they are a perk, not an NHL contract negotiation point. In fact, it’s against the rules for them to be discussed as far as I understand.

But whatever, we can agree to disagree. I despise circular arguments

Matthews can seek that "perk" from another market and the AAV from another team.

As far as I am concerned it should definitely be part of the negotiation tactic even if not done officially.

An agent is looking for the "earning potential" for his client in a given year. No where else is Matthews going to get extra 5M on average per year except Toronto Maple Leafs.

It should be part of the negotiation tactic including signing bonuses that Leafs are one of the clubs that can do compared to other clubs in the league.

There is absolutely NO WAY Matthews should be getting 1M more than Mack on the 8 year deal.

 

[PromisedLand]

No kidding. My point is Siegel’s article will be cross referenced as evidence of what a success it was when the number comes in lower. Which it will.

I don’t think people like Siegel realize what a dysfunctional cycle they contribute to when they throw out sensationalist numbers like this to shape public discussion. People get sick of the talking points, the players, the franchise. Just tiresome.

Siegel is trash. I lost any respect I had for him when he wrote puff pieces for dubas. Seigel, Johnston and Mirtle are complete trash reporters as far as I am concerned.

Regardless of public opinion or seigel's article I've seen posts here saying 13.5 is the deal that Matthews should sign; which is still an overpayment IMO.

No way matthews is worth 500K+ more than Mack on the 8 year deal.

Its a team game, you can't win in this league with that kind of overpayments. You set a precendent for future contract negotiations with overpayments like these. Nylander and Marner's asks are going to be astonomical even if Leafs hand out matthews 13.5 AAV on the 8 year deal.

Matthews at max should come in at about 12.7 to 12.9 AAV for 8 year term or 12 AAV at max for a 5 year term.

I’ve very clearly used Mac as comparable on AAV, so swing and a miss

how is 12.6 AAV the same as 13.5 AAV?

 

[PromisedLand]

Who would sign in a city that just elected a communist mayor that will lead to strung out heroin addicts laying around. Why would he buy property in Toronto when the tax is about to double.. his income tax will already be higher here than all but 1 other team in the NHL.

The extra $4-5 mill of endorsement money certainly means little when you're a natural born american stuck living in a country where the internet's largest news providers are now refusing to serve Canadians on the internet and the rest of your freedoms are disappearing.


Guy is gone, give it up.

LOL what? I don't know much about Chow but I didn't like her platform. That said, more than 60% of the people of Toronto didn't vote in the by-election so its more on the people of Toronto IMO. People have to go out there and vote before they complain.

Same like how it will be on Brad Treliving if he overpaid Matthews, I don't get a vote so I am complaining in advance

That said, Matthews spends is "offseason" in Arizona, so he gets taxed based on Arizona tax rates when he gets his signing bonuses delivered to him on July 1st. He has bought a mansion in Arizona, and lives out there. I don't think he is buying property in Toronto.

Actually nobody should be buying any property in Toronto IMO anyway, the housing market is inflated and it is a stupid investment anyway lol

 

[MCR74]

LOL what? I don't know much about Chow but I didn't like her platform. That said, more than 60% of the people of Toronto didn't vote in the by-election so its more on the people of Toronto IMO. People have to go out there and vote before they complain.

Same like how it will be on Brad Treliving if he overpaid Matthews, I don't get a vote so I am complaining in advance

That said, Matthews spends is "offseason" in Arizona, so he gets taxed based on Arizona tax rates when he gets his signing bonuses delivered to him on July 1st. He has bought a mansion in Arizona, and lives out there. I don't think he is buying property in Toronto.

Actually nobody should be buying any property in Toronto IMO anyway, the housing market is inflated and it is a stupid investment anyway lol

l kinda wish they had shipped him to Arizona to enjoy his mansion, a college arena, and see his endorsements drop.

 

[ToDavid]

Matthews already signed a contract based on the Cap going up ... which it didn't do.

Good for Matthews, not so much for Leafs or their fans.

Matthews contract was high, but within reason for one of the best young Cs in the game and the best goal scorer since Ovi. The reports of him getting $14m+ are in an entirely different universe.

 

[Dragao6]

These moves may be scaring him away

 

[Confucius]

even 14.5 is an overpayment for Matthews. He hasn't earned any of that. I don't get why people are content with 14.5 AAV here regardless of the term.

This team isn't going to achieve anything with that kind of cap allocation

Even the same contract he has is an overpayment, he won’t play better over the next 8 years

 

[Dave92]

Matthews will be considerably worse in 6 years. The notion that turning down 2 more years of term will earn him more money seems wrong.

 

[thewave]

Looks like no deal was in place to extend these guys and the NMCs are active. Way to go MLSE, way to go bend over that table. Fantastic job you losers.

Why use Bell or Rogers services at all? I mean if they can't even run a freaking hockey team half decently imagine how they run your coms.

 

[capfit9]

Holding the whole organization at gunpoint because he wants to be comfortable even though he’s been here for 8 years , they can’t commit to UFA’s and thus can’t build the roster. Prima donna.