News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets
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ToneDog
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There are no rules on what factors into a negotiation.
If the GM or Agent brings something up, it factors into it.
That’s goes for every and any players. Not disagreeing with that.
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Dubas is an even bigger idiot than we thought, my goodness. 8x9M for Matthews and this guy said no
I think Marner initially asked 8x8 but that was too rich for the galaxy brain. He wanted Marner to put up points besides Tavares
Well we are talking our top 3 highest paid players while also being three of the top 8 highest paid players in the league. The reason why we have three of them is bc they can be clutch at different games and different times to help the Leafs win.
If they combined for ONE goal in Five games, I just don’t think any teams can win a lot of games with that stat line even if your goalie can limit to one goal against per game.
As for supporting cast, think they scored NINE goals in the same five games. That’s 90% of the goals scored. Don’t think they are a problem in terms of providing scoring.
That’s hindsight though. Considering Drai signed for 8.25mil and had a monsters playoffs while MM had 60-70pts for his first two seasons.
Martin Skoula
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I’m not arguing whether they did enough or not, just the clutch narrative. If O’Rielly scores in OT instead of Reinhart and Matthews/Marner pop in a few empty calorie points on the PP en route to a series win, nobody would be talking about them underperforming even though nothing about their quality of game changes.
Game 1 the GWG was Verhaeghe
Game 3 the tying goal was Verhaeghe, OT winner was Reinhart
Game 5 again Verhaeghe goal and assist for 2-0, Cousins with the OT winner
Tkachuk assisted on the game 2 GWG but it came at 1:06 of the 2nd period and then Bob took over for the next 39 minutes. I’m not saying he didn’t play well but the narrative around his invincible clutch powers got crazy when it was other guys scoring the actual clutch goals. He’s allowed having quiet games without anyone coming after him as long as the rest of the team still wins that game.
I agree winning is the most important thing.
But fans weren’t saying Tkachuk was great when he was quiet.
Then when times came, Tkachuk was clutch, which is more than we can say for anyone of our top three. If anything our top three choked in the second round.
Is Tkachuk the new Justin Williams? Heck no but to downplay Tkachuk not being a clutch player sounds more like jealousy than anything else.
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It's lol worthy because Mac won a cup and had more term.
I'm ok with 5 years, but hard to swallow the cap hit after this season. As always only the best year will be taken into consideration with a Leaf player's negotiation.
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Drais signed coming out of his entry level deal after a 29 goal 77 point season and got as much as Stamkos to enter the top 10 in the NHL having not yet scored 30 goals.
The Oilers were laughed at like crazy when he was signed to that deal, and told they ruined the salary structure for all future 'potential' stars by giving him suck a huge overpayment so early in his career.
Martin Skoula
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His resume before this run is worse than our guys. Against us specifically I don’t think he was significantly more impactful than Bennett, Verhaeghe, Montour, or Bob. He scored big goals in other series for sure, but so did Matthews and Tavares against Tampa.
You can have a mediocre round and still be remembered for the good things you did if your team still wins it when you do.
If I remembered correctly, it was after the Oilers playoffs where Drai outplayed McD in the playoffs and Oilers need to sign McD at the same time.
McD was always going to break the bank.
Won’t say Oilers was laughed at or got a bargain at that time. But does it matters now since Drai’s contract is pretty much a great contract right away as he win Rocket or Hart or come close to those every year.
Did the Leafs win?
Did AM, MM and JT combined for ONE goal in Five Games?
Did Tkachuk scored clutch goals in the playoffs?
All of the above are true.
The narrative of players can always change after playoffs, not saying AM, MM and JT won’t be clutch in the future but as of today, they are no where near the word clutch or being playoffs warriors.
If Tkachuk, AM, MM and JT are UFA today and would sign the same contract, and the GM can only choose one of them. I think a lot of GMs would choose Tkachuk over the other three due to his recent playoffs. The rest will probably choose AM. But doubt any GMs will choose JT over the other three.
As of today, Tkachuk is more clutch than AM, MM and JT, that’s a fact. Just like Eichel is a Cup Champs while McD and AM are not. Or Phil is a 3-time Cup Champs while Ovie only won once.
I don't think negative playoffs matter, if they did Tkachuk would have signed for 4 million.
The last goalie that got paid strictly from playoffs did not work out well (Binnington). I can see it going the same way for Hill.
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Wasn't it pretty widely reported that both guys were willing to sign longer term deals at much lower cap hits the summer they were eligible for extensions? I know Marner was, but maybe Matthews was only willing to do the bridge.
Instead Dubas kept quoting Lou about using all the time he had, pissed off Mitch and Paul, and pretty much backed himself into a corner to shell out horrible contracts to both Matthews and Marner, but especially Marner.
When you break down the Marner contract though you really see just how bad Dubas was at his job. Marner knew that Dubas wouldn't make him sit for the year after caving to Nylander at the last minute (that whole negotiation was stupid in the first place, the contract wasn't even all that and it shouldn't have made it that far.)
He then decides to slow play BOTH Marner and Matthews when a long-term deal was very likely on the table for at least Marner at a much lower cap hit.
He then signs Matthews to top dollar AND lower term mid-year.
So to summarize, Marner's agent knew that Dubas wouldn't make him sit the year and wouldn't trade him (based on Nylander), and knew he could squeeze him for every dollar and get a lower term (based on Matthews.)
It's not even hindsight. Doing what he did with Nylander was stupid, and then signing Matthews first was even more stupid. Instead he lost half his leverage to fight with Nylander over 500k while losing the other half by signing Marner last and ended up paying 2-3M extra.
He then learned so well from his mistake that he spent a 1st to dump anyway rod Marleau so he could keep Kapanen and Johnsson only to unload both of them the following year.
The domino effect of signing Marner at a better cap hit very likely leads to the team saving their 1st and not having to gut their depth. Smh.
Shanahan standing by and watching it was/is just as much to blame.
This entire post makes no sense and don't put words in my mouth.
It's not an artificial rule to say players are paid for their individual accomplishments and contributions. That's logic and clearly shown over decades of players and executives signing contracts. Regarding player contracts, they are responsible for their game only, and while players will often be held accountable by way of trades or other means for their failure to contribute what they are paid for after signing a deal, they are not inherently responsible on an individual level for a lack of team success. Team success is just that, team success.
This type of thought is literally how the business works for all teams.
There are a lot of reasons for our futility and maybe we've chosen to give our money to the wrong people, that has so far been the case and will play out over time. None of this however changes the fact that individual player value is defined by individual contribution and success.
My point has never been that they aren’t a factor at all, just that player salaries are generally and overwhelmingly driven by their regular season individual contributions, which is objectively true.
ToneDog
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I was not referring to you. I recall it being said in discussions concerning salary of Matty vs MacK. Somebody, not responding to you, yesterday mentioned Goodrow and Coleman getting paid after winning the SC cup. I just can't help but think there is no bigger case of a guy getting paid for winning a SC than Aiden Hill. Binnington is another example of a player being rewarded after winning a SC.
I think one thing we failed to remember was Willie. Willie and MM were pretty much the same in terms of productions. If MM signed at 8x8 before Willie, he will certainly asked for that too.
In hindsight, it is a much better deal if both signed for combined 16mil/8yrs than 18mil/7 and 6 yrs.
I think Lou should had signed Willie as he had a whole year to do it and set the tone. Even if Willie signed for 7mil, it sets the bar for MM. AM was going to get more than Eichel and less than McD regardless of what MM signed for.
This is the craziest thing you've ever said, and that is saying A LOT.
His contract is not even bad, no clue how you think it is one of the worst.
If the rumour is true that he’s asking 13 mil for 4 or max 5 years, i really think we need to trade him before July 1st, as much as that hurts in the short term, it’s better long term on the culture we set. The problem is it’s all about setting precedent, that it’s the team before any 1 individual no matter how good they are. I think our failures are largely because we have coddled guys like Matthews and Marner and put them ahead of the team - Dubas set a horrible precedent on that front, we need to break it here. You get superstar money when you deliver in the big moments consistently. He has not earned anything to warrant such a ridiculous contract. Again IF the rumour is true.
Again, this works for losers, it is easy to follow the leader, easy to explain to your boss and the press, but winners, real execs develope their own plan, pay their own wage scale and select players who have the personality to fit. Mercenaries sometimes change late in their career when the bank account is full, but AM and MM are a long way from that.
It is not about what is deserved, it is about what a business plan can afford.
Maybe it is bonus based, maybe just a little team friendly or maybe the teams formula says the top 4 cannot be over 32% of salary cap!
Every business needs a detailed plan, not fly by the seat of your pants like Dubas did.
Taylor Halls Teeth
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He is the Chatterer from the Hellraiser movies. Checkem out.
Unfortunately it's not even close to the craziest thing he's ever said. But he only says it for a reaction.
Taylor Halls Teeth
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If there is truth to a 3-4 deal being the max he wants, how else can you view it? Now that was something pushed by multiple sources back in May so maybe it was just an opening salvo or even a popular rumor that wasn't really out of the Matthews camps. My comment assumes that the club makes a few different strong offers and he still wont sign before the deadline. Not leaving money on the table doesn't make him a flight risk. That depends on what their final position is and how big the club has already gone. If the team offers to make him the highest paid player in the league with a decent term and he says no, what happens after they give up all their leverage? We will know the truth in a week.
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