News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[pcruz]

21-22 20gms 24pts

I wouldn't call that bad

From draft to demanding a trade out of Calgary:

Tkachuck's playoff resume looks like this:

GP	G	A	Pts	+/-	PPP	Hits	Blocked Shots	Shots/GP
27	7	8	15	-11	4	47	11	2.26

You wouldn't call that bad?

And yet, you and many others would call this bad:

GP	G	A	Pts	+/-	PPP	Hits	Blocked Shots	Shots/GP
50	22	22	44	0	13	139	67	4.3

Holy disengenuity Batman!!

 

[Taylor Halls Teeth]

He doesn't have to sign by July 1sr.

Pastrnak went deep into last season before signing his extension.

Pastrnak doesn't seem to have the money drive the young Leafs do. None of the Bruins do really, its maybe a different team culture. I don't think there had been any discussions about him wanting a super short deal to grind the max out of the club either. If a player has signalled to you that their primary focus is on the absolute maximum dollars in their pocket, they probably aren't someone you want to give up all your remaining leverage to.

 

[Stephen]

Pastrnak doesn't seem to have the money drive the young Leafs do. None of the Bruins do really, its maybe a different team culture. I don't think there had been any discussions about him wanting a super short deal to grind the max out of the club either. If a player has signalled to you that their primary focus is on the absolute maximum dollars in their pocket, they probably aren't someone you want to give up all your remaining leverage to.

Food for thought. Maybe we'll have to save our cap space for shiny toys that hit free agency in a few years, guys that score a lot and really deserve it!

 

[Gabriel426]

if the idea is to trade him around year 6-7 why not go 5 years then? I mean if his play comes down to a 7-8 million dollar player by then but he's a 12.5 cap hit teams wont be lining up to take him.

That was your idea to only have AM at 5 yrs and thinking he will not be good by then. Then I offered a solution to be sign him 8 yrs and when he declines at the end, trade him away.
What if he doesn’t and put up his best or one of his best numbers in the last year of the new 5 yrs deal. Then you are force to overpay him or lose him for free.
The premises of a 5 yrs deal is AM will be a way worse player than he is now in the last few years of his deal that won’t worth his contract. But the problem is, what if they don’t win in 6 yrs, do you just blow it all up and rebuild? Let AM walk?
If AM is not the horse you can win with now and betting on he will be in the next 6 yrs, trade him now to get the most assets as he is stepping into his prime and other teams will pay more.
If the next 6 yrs is the window, what’s make you think they can do it the next 6yrs, is it the hope of the guys can figure it out then why not have AM for 8 yrs to give you more chances since AM will definitely sign at higher AVV on a 5 yrs deal than an 8 yrs deal.

 

[Gabriel426]

From draft to demanding a trade out of Calgary:

Tkachuck's playoff resume looks like this:

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[TD]GP[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]A[/TD]
[TD]Pts[/TD]
[TD]+/-[/TD]
[TD]PPP[/TD]
[TD]Hits[/TD]
[TD]Blocked Shots[/TD]
[TD]Shots/GP[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]-11[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]2.26[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

You wouldn't call that bad?

And yet, you and many others would call this bad:

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[TR]
[TD]GP[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]A[/TD]
[TD]Pts[/TD]
[TD]+/-[/TD]
[TD]PPP[/TD]
[TD]Hits[/TD]
[TD]Blocked Shots[/TD]
[TD]Shots/GP[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]50[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]139[/TD]
[TD]67[/TD]
[TD]4.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Holy disengenuity Batman!!

Even with this year playoffs stats, Tkachuk stats are nothing to write about home. But he scores those big goals and made big plays in key moments. This term that describe this phenomenon might be lost among us bc we just haven’t seen it for a long long time, but Tkachuk done it bc he was CLUTCH.
Our guys are just not clutch.

Food for thought. Maybe we'll have to save our cap space for shiny toys that hit free agency in a few years, guys that score a lot and really deserve it!

Unless MLSE offer a job for his wife to design all the new suites at the stadiums, hotels, offices and homes for all their board of directors, don’t think he is leaving his current team.

 

[Gabriel426]

Pastrnak doesn't seem to have the money drive the young Leafs do. None of the Bruins do really, its maybe a different team culture. I don't think there had been any discussions about him wanting a super short deal to grind the max out of the club either. If a player has signalled to you that their primary focus is on the absolute maximum dollars in their pocket, they probably aren't someone you want to give up all your remaining leverage to.

Pastrnak had Chara, Merchand and Bergy to look up to while our guys got Marleau.

 

[Leafblooded]

I have a feeling that our team is about to get raided over these next few years. Sort of like Putin showing how weak he is with Wagner defecting, the Leafs' vulnerabilities have been exposed. It's time to adjust to the new reality, or die.

 

[al secord]

I have a feeling that our team is about to get raided over these next few years. Sort of like Putin showing how weak he is with Wagner defecting, the Leafs' vulnerabilities have been exposed. It's time to adjust to the new reality, or die.

The head of Wagner will eventually be executed. Not a great analogy.

 

[Niagara Bill]

If AM not signed before no trade clause kicks in July 1, or he is not traded, Shanny should be fired, immediately.

 

[LeafSteel]

Pastrnak doesn't seem to have the money drive the young Leafs do. None of the Bruins do really, its maybe a different team culture. I don't think there had been any discussions about him wanting a super short deal to grind the max out of the club either. If a player has signalled to you that their primary focus is on the absolute maximum dollars in their pocket, they probably aren't someone you want to give up all your remaining leverage to.

This is.......... disturbing, to say the least.........

 

[Leafblooded]

The head of Wagner will eventually be executed. Not a great analogy.

Eventually, so will the head of the Shanaplan once this Leaf super power also falls apart

 

[al secord]

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This is.......... disturbing, to say the least.........

That beautiful face was a Hart winner once. Needless to say, the award went right to his face.

 

[Sypher04]

Pastrnak doesn't seem to have the money drive the young Leafs do. None of the Bruins do really, its maybe a different team culture. I don't think there had been any discussions about him wanting a super short deal to grind the max out of the club either. If a player has signalled to you that their primary focus is on the absolute maximum dollars in their pocket, they probably aren't someone you want to give up all your remaining leverage to.

No specific reason right this moment to assume this is what our guys are all about.

 

[ToneDog]

If AM not signed before no trade clause kicks in July 1, or he is not traded, Shanny should be fired, immediately.

Pasta did not sign until March. As long as they feel they can eventually get a deal done, he won't be traded and Shanny won't be fired.

 

[Boxscore]

If we remove the name "Matthews" and look at this subjectively, a different picture crystalizes:

1. Star player of their team sees a significant drop-off in goals and points over 7 years in the playoffs.

2. Star player seems to only want to sign short-term deals with their team.

3. Star player has already been slightly overpaid once and is likely looking to be highly overpaid again.

4. Star player just seems to be difficult to agree to terms with unless he gets everything he wants.

5. Star player lacks fire, emotion, and reacts rather cavalier to losing.

I know Matthews is our star player but we are also the Toronto Maple Leafs. As much as we want to give him, he should be willing to do the same in return. We're not some flunky bottom feeder in a crummy market like the Yotes, Blue Jackets, Kraken, etc. If Matthews doesn't want to commit to us and make some sacrifices to be part of the organization long-term, than that's a problem with him, not the Leafs or us.

What's right is right. This is a 2-way street and the organization and fans have done nothing but treat this kid like a King since he's been here. There's nothing wrong with him doing his part. And if he's not willing to, then someone in Toronto needs to put their foot down and say "enough is enough." Continuing to cower to him and pamper him is unacceptable. He can no longer hold the team hostage and have us walk on egg shells until he gets everything he wants. That's not the type of person who should be the face of the franchise.

 

[Trapper]

I'm actually half-expecting that to happen. But don't think it's all that significant.

The details of the contract may take a few weeks beyond July 1st to sort out.

Ideally for our peace of mind they'll announce the extension July 1st - but since both sides seem fairly focused on getting an extension they may opt to focus on the specifics in the weeks after free agents frenzy

They are going to need to have an idea of what Matthews/Nylander and eventually Marner are going to want (if keeping all three).
It will affect who you look at in terms of UFA (how much you can spend) or who you might be trading for.
They don’t need it signed July 1st, but they should know what it is.

 

[NMacrules]

How does that work exactly? Matthews can't sign an extension before July 1st and he says he is not going to sign before July 1st? If Matthews does not sign, is that considered an epic fail by Tre?

 

[ToneDog]

If we remove the name "Matthews" and look at this subjectively, a different picture crystalizes:

1. Star player of their team sees a significant drop-off in goals and points over 7 years in the playoffs.

2. Star player seems to only want to sign short-term deals with their team.

3. Star player has already been slightly overpaid once and is likely looking to be highly overpaid again.

4. Star player just seems to be difficult to agree to terms with unless he gets everything he wants.

5. Star player lacks fire, emotion, and reacts rather cavalier to losing.

I know Matthews is our star player but we are also the Toronto Maple Leafs. As much as we want to give him, he should be willing to do the same in return. We're not some flunky bottom feeder in a crummy market like the Yotes, Blue Jackets, Kraken, etc. If Matthews doesn't want to commit to us and make some sacrifices to be part of the organization long-term, than that's a problem with him, not the Leafs or us.

What's right is right. This is a 2-way street and the organization and fans have done nothing but treat this kid like a King since he's been here. There's nothing wrong with him doing his part. And if he's not willing to, then someone in Toronto needs to put their foot down and say "enough is enough." Continuing to cower to him and pamper him is unacceptable. He can no longer hold the team hostage and have us walk on egg shells until he gets everything he wants. That's not the type of person who should be the face of the franchise.

On one hand, these guys are in the entertainment business and Matthews is one of the top 5 stars in the league. Unless you think he is Joe Thornton 2.0 or is being unreasonable, you keep him. Once JT is off the books in two years, we should be in a better position cap wise.

Good thing is if the Kings trade for Dubois, it probably takes away one of the biggest threats for Matty to walk to for free.

 

[Jojalu]

Even with this year playoffs stats, Tkachuk stats are nothing to write about home. But he scores those big goals and made big plays in key moments. This term that describe this phenomenon might be lost among us bc we just haven’t seen it for a long long time, but Tkachuk done it bc he was CLUTCH.
Our guys are just not clutch.


Unless MLSE offer a job for his wife to design all the new suites at the stadiums, hotels, offices and homes for all their board of directors, don’t think he is leaving his current team.

No doubt he was clutch this year, but up to that point he was Meh at best.

One good playoff year will change the narrative on any Leaf if they ever do it.

 

[LeafSteel]

How does that work exactly? Matthews can't sign an extension before July 1st and he says he is not going to sign before July 1st? If Matthews does not sign, is that considered an epic fail by Tre?

That we are even in this position I consider to be an epic fail by Dubas.

Treliving is just dealing with the box that Dubas left us in after he bent over for Matthews and handed him pretty much everything during his RFA "negotiation".

 

[Menzinger]

They are going to need to have an idea of what Matthews/Nylander and eventually Marner are going to want (if keeping all three).
It will affect who you look at in terms of UFA (how much you can spend) or who you might be trading for.
They don’t need it signed July 1st, but they should know what it is.

I'd imagine by that point they'll know what the caphit will look like on short, medium and 8 year contract extension and then plan accordingly.

For the sake of this board/my sanity I hope they just announced his extension July 1st though

 

[Niagara Bill]

Pasta did not sign until March. As long as they feel they can eventually get a deal done, he won't be traded and Shanny won't be fired.

Didn't say he would be, I said should be. July 1 we will be black mailed.
If our calculated best offer that we would be willing to pay is not now on the table we are wrong. If you pay him 15m for 1 season next March DO IT NOW. If you are willing to pay him 16m for 1 year or 50m over 3, or 150m over 8 next March, do it now. The risk of losing this asset for nothing is too big.
This is just basic business.
The words "if the feel they can eventually get a deal done" is crazy. They felt they could renew Dubas too. How did that work out.

 

[Niagara Bill]

If AM not signed before no trade clause kicks in July 1, or he is not traded, Shanny should be fired, immediately.

Not funny at all Big Al, if we lose what many people here say is the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NHL, for nothing, let's see the big chuckle then.

 

[Sypher04]

2. Star player seems to only want to sign short-term deals with their team.

3. Star player has already been slightly overpaid once and is likely looking to be highly overpaid again.

4. Star player just seems to be difficult to agree to terms with unless he gets everything he wants.

These points are all debatable at best.

2. Lot of media speculation he wants short term, but no one with actual knowledge of his camps asks

3. Matthews was full value for his previous deal.

4. There’s no reason to think Matthews, more than any other player, needs to get every little contract detail his way.

 

[egd27]

We’re talking about an individual player salary, of course individual accomplishments have more meaning than team accomplishments. It’s utter nonsense to conclude otherwise.

And therein lies the problem with the Toronto Maple Leafs