News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets
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- Jan 22, 2007
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If Matthews signs for 8 years at a reasonable cap hit, then he is showing he has grown up and wants to commit to the organization for the long haul, the same way other superstars like MacKinnon, McDavid, Pastrnak, Stutzle, Hughes, and Tkachuk have. It's not uncommon for superstars to commit long-term to their clubs -- Matthews is an anomaly.
That said, I don't see him signing for 8 years or for a reasonable cap hit.
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unreasonable is funny when compared to other sports like basketball where a player the quality of Matthews makes 40-50mil/season or baseball, where he'd look at 40-60mil, heck even the NFL pays top guys 50mil+ for 17 games.
NHL is so below other leagues in salary its laughable
lol relative to NHL its unreasonable. You can't compare revenues with NBA or MLB to NHL its not even close.
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WillNy29
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you know what they have in common? 0 cups....Couldn't agree more. Matthews will never be Guy Carbonneau, and if he were, he'd be making 6.5 mil instead of close to 12. If the Leafs were losing in the playoffs but Matthews and Marner were carrying the load and producing at an elite level, there would at least be optimism that this core could get it done if things fall their way. In order for depth pieces to pay off, the stars still need to shine. No matter how great Marchessault and Hill were, Vegas doesn't win the Cup if Eichel, Stone, Pietrangelo and Theodore didn't come up huge during the run. I currently don't have confidence that our stars have it in their DNA to lead the team during wartime.
And here's the difference between Draisaitl and Matthews -- watch some of Leon's post game pressers where he's showing emotion and is visibly irate after losing. When have we ever seen this from Matthews? Never. He has such a ho-hum, cavalier attitude that's extremely frustrating. I expect more from a player who will soon demand to be the highest paid in hockey history. We all should.
1.64 PPG in the playoffs for Draisaitl. You know what Matthews is?? 0.88 lmao. 7 years of playoffs and he averages half of what Draisaitl does.
you know what he did when his team needed him in round 2? same as Matthews..
You know how many times his teams missed the playoffs or been swept... more than Matthews
but hey man I assume you think Barry Pederson is a better playoff performer than McDavid and MacKinnon?
- Jan 22, 2007
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Then Matthews should have spent more time swinging a bat. He will still end up making well over 150 million playing hockey, so this is a moot point, considering his league operates under a hard cap so his favorite childhood team, the Coyotes, can exist when they shouldn't.
The world doesn't revolve around Auston Matthews. Would he rather make 175 million and lose or make 155 million, win a Cup, and build a legacy? Could you imagine playing the harp strings for a dude who makes 12 mil a year playing hockey for a living?
yea that whole social justice and caring about peoples plight thing is so inconvenient....
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Draisaitl makes 8.5 mil, outscores Matthews in the regular season and laps him in the playoffs. At least he can feel good that he has done his part (and then some) to push his team closer to a Cup. Matthews has scored at a 36g, 72 point pace in the playoffs but will likely demand being the highest paid player in NHL history -- it's a joke. Comparing Matthews to Draisaitl is foolish. If the Oilers were on bath salts and offered Leon for Auston today, we'd all accept before the high wore off.
It is a marketing ploy.yea that whole social justice and caring about peoples plight thing is so inconvenient....
It is all about the Benjamin's..oh boy....
Consume brother, consume. Buy my product. If you don't buy my product you are a disgusting person. (I believe that's how it goes)
Idiocracy was not a spoof.
Thats the main issue... it causes teams to hit the floor that cant afford it so they pay shit players or take on shit contracts with dead weight... no room for growths for top player and middle players are out of a job for the league min players.
I would hate to see another outlier contract from Matthews. Whether that be overpaid or a 3 year deal.
He’s a good player but f this. You’re an original 6 team, don’t let this guy walk all over you and destroy your cap structure again. If he can’t be reasonable, trade him.
Drai and McD actually won playoffs rounds. To them getting into the 2nd round is not a big deal. They actually made it to the conf finals.
If Oilers and Leafs swap top 2 guys like McD and Drai as Leafs and AM and MM as Oilers, I don’t Oilers would have made it to the Conf Finals last year or win a round, where as Leafs might have already won Cup or Cups.
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once and got swept lol you guys sure love heralding heroes that have won about as much as the limp dicks over here in Toronto...
I thought defense wins championships? neither of those guys plays defence its why they don't win. If doing your part is scoring a bunch of PP goals and then coasting on defence then im not surprised that those are your heroes.
they've won a whooping 3 rounds of playoff hockey in the span the leafs won once. They got swept 3 times over that span and missed the playoffs 3 times to boot.
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Couldn't agree more. Matthews will never be Guy Carbonneau, and if he were, he'd be making 6.5 mil instead of close to 12. If the Leafs were losing in the playoffs but Matthews and Marner were carrying the load and producing at an elite level, there would at least be optimism that this core could get it done if things fall their way. In order for depth pieces to pay off, the stars still need to shine. No matter how great Marchessault and Hill were, Vegas doesn't win the Cup if Eichel, Stone, Pietrangelo and Theodore didn't come up huge during the run. I currently don't have confidence that our stars have it in their DNA to lead the team during wartime.
And here's the difference between Draisaitl and Matthews -- watch some of Leon's post game pressers where he's showing emotion and is visibly irate after losing. When have we ever seen this from Matthews? Never. He has such a ho-hum, cavalier attitude that's extremely frustrating. I expect more from a player who will soon demand to be the highest paid in hockey history. We all should.
1.64 PPG in the playoffs for Draisaitl. You know what Matthews is?? 0.88 lmao. 7 years of playoffs and he averages half of what Draisaitl does.
I don’t want Matthews to be Guy Carbonneau. There’s no reason why he should be in a tight center matchup with duelling defense between Cirelli and Danault. He should be RUNNING THE OVER.
Ken Hitchcock said some interesting stuff on Overdrive yesterday. He said defensive work is easy. All it is is the willingness to mirror your opponent. I agree with that. He said that the real hard task was checking. Going through guys. I also agree with that also. Matthews mirroring guys is just low hanging fruit. He needs to go full throttle offense. We don’t need him to be Jordan Staal and lose all his offense when it matters.
Are you saying if AM and MM swap teams with McD and Drai, Leafs won’t be a better team and Oilers won’t be a worse team? Bc that’s the point I am trying to make.
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depends... will McDavid and Draisatl sacrifice blowing the zone for d coverage?
will we get the oiler power play set up?
all I am saying is neither team has won anything and one has 1 series win and the other has 3 in the same timespan....these guys putting up points is not getting it done either considering they're not putting up points in games that matter it seems
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Exactly right. Matthews is a young 6-3, 215 horse. He should be bulling over people and owning the play with intensity and vigor. In the playoffs he's way too willing to stay on the fringe and rely on his shot instead of engaging in warfare inside the trenches. MacKinnon does this better than anyone -- he gets the puck and bulls through the zone with fire and anger. This comes down to a player's DNA and the price they're willing to pay to grind it out when the games get harder.
I absolutely agree with Hitch here, and I'll need to listen to the interview in full. Like him or hate him, PK Subban also said interesting things about the Leafs during the Panthers series. He said that once the playoffs start, teams would rather face more talented teams who are easier to play against than the other way around. He said, players look at the Leafs and like that matchup because they are easy to play against. That is a public indictment of the Leafs compete level, snarl, and fight at the top of their roster by a player who has personally faced them and knows them well.
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Right, because the Oilers path and the Leafs path are the same. You understand the same Tampa team that needed home cooking to squeak out a game 7 OT victor to beat the Leafs last year, went on to sweep the Oilers.
The takes in here are just (chefs kiss).
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Because it's virtually impossible to win a Cup in a hard cap world when your team is top-heavy at forward and is spending too much cap on a few players. The fact that McDavid (a 150+ point scorer and a player who could end up the 5th greatest in hockey history) can't get it done with another elite titan like Draisaitl, reinforces that sentiment.
Deep, well built teams win Cups. Even the Pens and Hawks teams were deep with character guys, foot soldiers, clutch players, and gamers when they were winning titles. The Leafs can't build properly because their stars are greedy and there's nothing left for quality support -- just bargain bin grabs.
This is why some of us are adamant that continuing to overpay for guys like Matthews, Marner, and Tavares is a recipe for constant failure. Especially when all three players are soft, finesse, offensive-minded players. If one of them was a Tkachuk or MacKinnon, it might be a little different.
That said, if I'm heading into the playoffs with poorly built teams but one of them has McDavid and Draisaitl and the other has Matthews and Marner, I'm absolutely rolling the dice on 97 and 29.
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what I got from this is that none of McDavid, Draisatl, Matthews, Marner etc should be on your team because they're going to get more then 10m and you're not going to win.
Doesn't tkachuk have a horrible playoff PPG before this season?
anyways you can continue to roll the dice on those 2 but since they'll never play a 200 foot game odds are Edmonton will never win.
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There's some gray area in there, but generally speaking, it's impossible to win a Cup with too much cap hit tied into a few players, especially if those players aren't as great as other players who are being paid similarly.
The Oilers are flawed and top-heavy, but their two superstars are so great, if they happen to land a goalie who can get hot for a few weeks, or some of their younger, cheap players like Holloway, Bourgault, and Broberg can surprise, they have a reasonable chance of making a serious run. But it's possible because they have guys who score on par with Gretzky and Lemieux in the playoffs. If McDavid and Draisaitl were scoring like Matthews and Marner in the playoffs, they would have zero shot, regardless of their lucky goalie.
Tkachuk didn't produce playoff points at this level while in Calgary but he's a bad example to choose because he's a unicorn who brings so many intangibles to the table. Plus, consider that Tkachuk just signed a long-term deal this past summer for 9.5 mil (after coming off a 40 goal, 100+ point season) and we willingly paid Mitch Marner 10.8 a few years ago?? Lmao. We're also likely going to submit to Matthews and pay him 14 mil a pop?? You can't compare these guys to Matt Tkachuk and his 9.5 cap hit for 8 years.
And you're talking about a 200-foot game like Matthews and Marner are Bob Gainey and Bobby Clarke when they're far from it. If we thought 200-foot game players are the recipe for success we should trade Marner for Scott Laughton tonight and shouldn't even consider paying Matthews a dollar more than he makes right now.
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