And Ov finally delivered at play off time.
Matthews may do that day one of the years too.
OV never got past the second round till his 13th season.
Austin 7 seasons and still counting
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Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96
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Matthews may do that day one of the years too.
OV never got past the second round till his 13th season.
Austin 7 seasons and still counting
Is that the definition of "raw totals"... Cool, every day I learn something new.
Also, the fact that AM missed much more games than AO does not make him better, he will never get the missed games back. And going forward, the fact that AM was injured soo much when young suggests that he simply cannot match AO when it comes to durability, can he?
"He played fewer games" is not a big advantage...
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It was DPE 2.0. Ovehkin led the league in everything. Matthews hundreds points behind, can't outproduce his own teammate (so basically he is a passenger) and outscored old Ovechkin only by 2 goals.
Anyone comparing Ovi and Mathews needs to remember one thing when this conversation comes up.
There were no offside reviews etc for Ovie's career. I have already seen these type of coach's challenge reviews take direct goals away from Mathews.
There were no offside reviews etc for Ovie's career. I have already seen these type of coach's challenge reviews take direct goals away from Mathews.
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NHL takes away 2-3 Ovi goals every season, this year 3-4 already.
Also 2 harts, 2 rosses and 1 rocket. And 1.5 season. He would be near to 1000 goals now.
It actually erases nothing since scoring levels were lower regardless of increased PP opportunities.
ES scoring level diffences is probably even bigger overall 12% difference in scoring.
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No, it doesn’t erase anything.
Matthews has a long, long way to go to be in the same sentence as Ovechkin when it comes to goal scoring dominance.
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3 Rockets in 4 seasons. I will just leave that.
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Goal scoring is higher in first 7 years for Matthews vs OV’s first 7 years.
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Matthews is great and maybe he has a case at some point, but are we seriously trying to argue that Ovechkin played in a better scoring environment?
Outside of a blip around 2006 when they called penalties for sneezing, the DPE basically lasted from 2001 to 2018.
Outside of a blip around 2006 when they called penalties for sneezing, the DPE basically lasted from 2001 to 2018.
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Matthews should have better prepared for Covid shutting down the NHL, Ovechkin would have simply played all 82 games
Oh man, I didn't realize before that AM only won 2 Rockets in his first 7 seasons in the league... By what I read here one would think he already won 4 or 5 ....
Yea, AM only lost games because of Covid.... How many games did he lose to Covid and how many to injury/suspensions ?
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You have a weird definition of a fact.
Can you predict the lotto numbers as a fact as well?
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Dude, you must have missed the earlier post. It was a sarcastic response to the claim that Matthews would have 100% outscored McDavid last year if he wasn't hurt.
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What is your reasoning for posting misleading information? You know there is a season’s worth of extra games played by Ovechkin in that comparison, right?
There’s a shortened covid season included in your ‘injuries’. A season where Matthews scored 42 goals in 56 games
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OV didn’t play because of Covid as well, so its a wash.
OV missed a whole year before his career started, because of lockout, then another 1/2 season for a lockout.
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Goal scoring is higher in first 7 years for Matthews vs OV’s first 7 years.
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Matthew’s would have scored all of these goals if he was in the league when ovi came in.
There is nothing to suggest he would score less than ovi in the 2000’s
It’s not a wash, because Covid year was included for Matthews “first 7 seasons” but not for Ovechkin’s “first 7 seasons”
The poster could have probably used the lockout year to even out the games, but skipped it to give ovi the games played edge (I use edge loosely, it’s a full season of games)
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lol, @ irrelevant
you also ignored OV half season missed for lockout.
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That’s why we use games played
I don’t know why we have to go back to remedial stat comparison class everytime we talk about a maple leaf player
Honestly, I think the argument that Matthews is losing out on goals due to challenges that OV didn't is pretty dumb....it may have some factual evidence to it....but it would only be a handful of goals....doesn't matter.
That said....can you back up your claim that the NHL takes away 2-3 OV goals every season and 3-4 already this year?
I think their pace has been pretty close so far when considering scoring environment.
Matthews currently has 550 games and 357 goals. At the same age, OV had 547 games and 338 goals. Scoring was only a bit lower during that time period for OV (less than 5%)....if you do the math and apply the % difference, you get to around 355 goals for OV....so pretty even.
If you had of done the same comparison at the time with OV vs. Gretzky, OV would have been lightyears behind, so it doesn't matter that much. We should really postpone this discussion for at least 7-8 years....but even then it might be too early to talk about it too much. Way too many variables still at play.
Matthews currently has 550 games and 357 goals. At the same age, OV had 547 games and 338 goals. Scoring was only a bit lower during that time period for OV (less than 5%)....if you do the math and apply the % difference, you get to around 355 goals for OV....so pretty even.
If you had of done the same comparison at the time with OV vs. Gretzky, OV would have been lightyears behind, so it doesn't matter that much. We should really postpone this discussion for at least 7-8 years....but even then it might be too early to talk about it too much. Way too many variables still at play.
Ok, so if we remove AO 7th season, he still has 301 goals to AM 299, which still means that AM didn't "outdone OV raw" as the post I was answering to claims. Also, I see you are willing to remove an entire season for AO due to lockout but complain about AM missing a few games due to CoVid.
Last but not least, and this is the point I was making: how many games did AM lose because of injuries? They greatly outnumber the games missed due to COVID.
If my math is right, in the first 7 seasons in the league, he missed 55 games due to injury/suspension or 7.85 games per season. This is in the early part of his career. He will never get those games back, and going forward, they suggest that he will probably not be as durable as AO.....
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90% of the game is half mental. That would correctly adjust scoring for any potential injuries and either player playing only ~75% of their actual power, given the duration of the injuries and lingering effects.
