Confirmed with Link: Attard Traded to Edmonton for Ben Gleason

[Adtar02]

Before or after Risto was fixed?

Well before and after according to posts that will never be acknowledged

 

[Embiid]

I’d be more excited if they had obtained Jackie Gleason
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The Flyers front office are Scumbums!

 

[BringBackHakstol]

A glimmer of hope for no hope

Small L

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Season officially started boys! Let's f***ing go!!!

 

[Striiker]

You can tell if someone will be good at sports by their name.

Ben Gleason is a bad player name.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Attard is the winner here. He is gone from this stank ass franchise

 

[Shrike]

I’d be more excited if they had obtained Jackie Gleason
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[mr figgles]

Alright who had meaningless trade in the beginning of the season on their bingo card?

That’s a permanent fixture in the middle of the card.

 

[deadhead]

Attard is a good example not to take SSS heaters seriously (Lesson to self).
He flashed his skills, he is a very good goal scorer for a defenseman, he's got size.
But the longer he played, the more his defensive and skating deficiencies were revealed.
And after three years, they probably have a good idea if he'll ever compensate for them.

Same applies to Andrae right now, he looks smooth out there, but the league will challenge him in the D-zone physically, hoping to panic him into mistakes. We'll see if he is exposed or rises to the challenge and keeps improving.

There's an interview with Middleton and he's got a great story that applies to any pro sport, about the need for players to adjust:

In 2010, we’re playing the Rockies out in Denver. Roy Halladay is pitching one of those days. His father lives about an hour away. And his father and I are sitting there watching Doc mow them down. I turned to his father and say, “I understand that you were Doc’s first pitching coach.” He said, “That’s right.” I said, “How many of his pitches that he uses today did you teach him?” And he said, “None.” None? “None.” Not even a fastball? “No.” He said when (Roy) was sent back down to the low minors, he jettisoned every pitch and he learned five new pitches. He said, “I’m not going to be successful (in the majors) if I don’t change.” So I said, “Oh, he’s using those pitches?” No. Over time, he was afraid he was too predictable. People knew his pitches. He either completely changed or materially altered every single pitch.

So I’m kind of incredulous about this whole thing. Two weeks later, I’m sitting with Mike Schmidt at a game. I relate this story about Doc’s father. And Mike just looks at me and he goes, “Yeah, I can understand that.” I said, “Really? All that change?” He goes, “John, in my career, I had three completely different swings. Every one of those three swings, I made a significant adjustment to the swing about halfway through. People adjust to you. You have to adjust to them.”

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[Kelmitchell2]

Fire danny

 

[iceman42]

"Change of Scenery" swap

 

[deadhead]

So you were incorrect in your assessment/prediction of where Attard would be at this time.

Was it a bad pick or bad development? They knew what he was in college. Doesn't seem to me they invested the development in him.

He was a late 3rd rd pick, not a high probability of success.
He had traits worthy of a gamble (remember when people got excited about Millman in the 4th b/c he was a better skater?). Size, plus shot, good feel for attacking the O-zone.
Sometimes players make the adjustment, his was from college rover to NHL D-man
Sometimes players improve their skating.

I think Attard could contribute in a sheltered role, but I doubt any HC would trust him with major minutes or with the game on the line.

 

[Rebels57]

Yawn.

Good for Attard. Hopefully he gets a chance there. He's better than several Flyers defensemen.

 

[Curufinwe]

I’d be more excited if they had obtained Jackie Gleason
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Would you rather be sent to Edmonton, or go straight to the moon?

 

[deadhead]

You really didn't answer my question, however. Do the Flyers hold any blame for this not working out? Yes or no. Don't need a long winded response.

That's impossible to answer.

Every player is different, so how do you know if it's bad coaching or the player is dumb as a bag of rocks.

The best you can do is look at a population of prospects, and see how many over/under perform relative to their pre-Flyer performance (i.e. not draft position but D+1, D+2 before they get to the AHL). And compare that to other organizations (is the failure rate above or below average).

But since most players "fail," you'd expect most prospects to fail.

 

[freakydallas13]

That's impossible to answer.

Every player is different, so how do you know if it's bad coaching or the player is dumb as a bag of rocks.

Fun fact, you can tell if a player is dumb as a bag of rocks by watching them play. Hope that helps.

 

[freakydallas13]

Based on the Flyers history with defensemen. Pretty easy where to place the blame.

So it is impossible to answer if the Flyers hold any of the blame? Wow

No, you see it's impossible to tell if the team that is probably the worst in the league at picking/developing defencemen is actually at fault or not. They just have astronomically bad luck!

 

[Shrike]

You really didn't answer my question, however. Do the Flyers hold any blame for this not working out? Yes or no. Don't need a long winded response.

Deadhead never answers questions. The trick is to not care what deadhead thinks. One post he goes on for paragraphs about how something is wrong, the next, he explains how he can’t answer because he is ill informed.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Sooo....he didn't become the next Erik Cernak?

Was never the biggest fan, but Attard actually has good NHL numbers in his sample. The Flyers, always sound in their process, valued one preseason game over ~30 regular season NHL games.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Deadhead never answers questions. The trick is to not care what deadhead thinks. One post he goes on for paragraphs about how something is wrong, the next, he explains how he can’t answer because he is ill informed.

It took one month for this to need to be said this season LOL

Sooo....he didn't become the next Erik Cernak?

Was never the biggest fan, but Attard actually has good NHL numbers in his sample. The Flyers, always sound in their process, valued one preseason game over ~30 regular season NHL games.

prepares for 30 regular season games is a SSS must defend the valor of the or-gan-i-za-tion

 

[dragonoffrost]

What does that mean?

Small Sample Size

 

[Tripod]

Could have swore I saw him on a certain someone's top pairing prediction just 1 year ago.

 

[deadhead]

Who is he better than when the Flyers are healthy? No one is the answer.


Based on the Flyers history with defensemen. Pretty easy where to place the blame.

So it is impossible to answer if the Flyers hold any of the blame? Wow

Flyers D-men picked in the first 3 rounds:
2012: Ghost #78
2013: Morin #11, Hagg #41
2014: Friedman #86
2015: Provorov #7
2018: Ginning #50
2019: York #14
2020: Andre #54
2023: Bonk #22
2024: Gill #59

Their drafting record is pretty normal, one bad draft in 2013, but I suspect most of the people involved are retired by now.
The better question is why they've drafted so few D-men.
Last 10 years, (2) 1sts, (3) 2nds, (0) 3rds
out of (11) 1sts, (11) 2nds, (7) 3rds

Deadhead never answers questions. The trick is to not care what deadhead thinks. One post he goes on for paragraphs about how something is wrong, the next, he explains how he can’t answer because he is ill informed.

I don't answer "gotcha" questions.
Because those aren't about discussion, they're about someone trying to be clever and snarky.

Sooo....he didn't become the next Erik Cernak?

Was never the biggest fan, but Attard actually has good NHL numbers in his sample. The Flyers, always sound in their process, valued one preseason game over ~30 regular season NHL games.

So the eyeball test doesn't matter? Just metrics?
On those grounds, Myers is a top 4 D-man.

 

[freakydallas13]

I don't answer "gotcha" questions.
Because those aren't about discussion, they're about someone trying to be clever and snarky.

Sometimes these questions are about someone being snarky (I'm guilty of this), but other times they are just straight up questions, and you don't answer them because you have to give an answer that contradicts something else you've said to defend this team, so you just say nothing.

 

[deadhead]

Sometimes these questions are about someone being snarky (I'm guilty of this), but other times they are just straight up questions, and you don't answer them because you have to give an answer that contradicts something else you've said to defend this team, so you just say nothing.

No. People demand yes or no because they're being snarky.
Few things in life are binary except for stupid people, and I don't think most people here are stupid.

People who actually ask why I think a certain way I try to respectfully answer.