Confirmed with Link: Attard Traded to Edmonton for Ben Gleason

[Tripod]

Could have swore I saw him on a certain someone's top pairing prediction just 1 year ago.

 

[deadhead]

Who is he better than when the Flyers are healthy? No one is the answer.


Based on the Flyers history with defensemen. Pretty easy where to place the blame.

So it is impossible to answer if the Flyers hold any of the blame? Wow

Flyers D-men picked in the first 3 rounds:
2012: Ghost #78
2013: Morin #11, Hagg #41
2014: Friedman #86
2015: Provorov #7
2018: Ginning #50
2019: York #14
2020: Andre #54
2023: Bonk #22
2024: Gill #59

Their drafting record is pretty normal, one bad draft in 2013, but I suspect most of the people involved are retired by now.
The better question is why they've drafted so few D-men.
Last 10 years, (2) 1sts, (3) 2nds, (0) 3rds
out of (11) 1sts, (11) 2nds, (7) 3rds

Deadhead never answers questions. The trick is to not care what deadhead thinks. One post he goes on for paragraphs about how something is wrong, the next, he explains how he can’t answer because he is ill informed.

I don't answer "gotcha" questions.
Because those aren't about discussion, they're about someone trying to be clever and snarky.

Sooo....he didn't become the next Erik Cernak?

Was never the biggest fan, but Attard actually has good NHL numbers in his sample. The Flyers, always sound in their process, valued one preseason game over ~30 regular season NHL games.

So the eyeball test doesn't matter? Just metrics?
On those grounds, Myers is a top 4 D-man.

 

[freakydallas13]

I don't answer "gotcha" questions.
Because those aren't about discussion, they're about someone trying to be clever and snarky.

Sometimes these questions are about someone being snarky (I'm guilty of this), but other times they are just straight up questions, and you don't answer them because you have to give an answer that contradicts something else you've said to defend this team, so you just say nothing.

 

[deadhead]

Sometimes these questions are about someone being snarky (I'm guilty of this), but other times they are just straight up questions, and you don't answer them because you have to give an answer that contradicts something else you've said to defend this team, so you just say nothing.

No. People demand yes or no because they're being snarky.
Few things in life are binary except for stupid people, and I don't think most people here are stupid.

People who actually ask why I think a certain way I try to respectfully answer.

 

[freakydallas13]

No. People demand yes or no because they're being snarky.
Few things in life are binary except for stupid people, and I don't think most people here are stupid.

Well first off I post here and I'm stupid, so jot that down. You could argue anyone who subjects themselves to this team to the degree they post on a message board dedicated to the Flyers has something wrong with them at some level.

People who actually ask why I think a certain way I try to respectfully answer.

You're usually pretty good at replying, credit where credit is due. But it does definitely seem like you avoid particular questions you don't want to answer sometimes, though maybe that is just my biased view of the events.

I don't have an example of the top of my head, just a casual observation.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Flyers D-men picked in the first 3 rounds:
2012: Ghost #78
2013: Morin #11, Hagg #41
2014: Friedman #86
2015: Provorov #7
2018: Ginning #50
2019: York #14
2020: Andre #54
2023: Bonk #22
2024: Gill #59

Their drafting record is pretty normal, one bad draft in 2013, but I suspect most of the people involved are retired by now.
The better question is why they've drafted so few D-men.
Last 10 years, (2) 1sts, (3) 2nds, (0) 3rds
out of (11) 1sts, (11) 2nds, (7) 3rds


I don't answer "gotcha" questions.
Because those aren't about discussion, they're about someone trying to be clever and snarky.

So the eyeball test doesn't matter? Just metrics?
On those grounds, Myers is a top 4 D-man.

Their draft record isn't very good. Remove the 1st rd picks what are you left with? Naming Gill and Bonk is comical at this point. Are you really impressed by that list?

Flyers D-men picked in the first 3 rounds:
2012: Ghost #78
2013: Morin #11, Hagg #41
2014: Friedman #86
2015: Provorov #7
2018: Ginning #50
2019: York #14
2020: Andre #54
2023: Bonk #22
2024: Gill #59

Their drafting record is pretty normal, one bad draft in 2013, but I suspect most of the people involved are retired by now.
The better question is why they've drafted so few D-men.
Last 10 years, (2) 1sts, (3) 2nds, (0) 3rds
out of (11) 1sts, (11) 2nds, (7) 3rds


I don't answer "gotcha" questions.
Because those aren't about discussion, they're about someone trying to be clever and snarky.

So the eyeball test doesn't matter? Just metrics?
On those grounds, Myers is a top 4 D-man.

apply the bold to your recent EJ comments where you posted his metrics.

No. People demand yes or no because they're being snarky.
Few things in life are binary except for stupid people, and I don't think most people here are stupid.

People who actually ask why I think a certain way I try to respectfully answer.

Wrong. Maybe they just want a simple answer to a simple question that doesn't need nor require several paragraphs.

 

[Flyer lurker]

well i am ready for the parade.




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[FLYguy3911]

So the eyeball test doesn't matter? Just metrics?
On those grounds, Myers is a top 4 D-man.

Whose eyeballs though? The ones that saw Robert Hagg, a minor leaguer before turning 30, play hockey and thought it was a good idea to play him for 250 games and in high leverage situations at that? Why because he always went on sustainable PDO heaters at the start of a season and padded non-impact stats like hits and blocked shots because he couldn't get out of his own zone? How about the eyeballs of the person that defended that decision countless times?

Or how bout the person that proclaimed Myers a "Unicorn" and better than Sanheim? I seem to recall certain eyeballs point out Myers' flaws and suggest he was lacking in certain areas for that to be the case...

Perhaps Attard stinks. But we have another example of a fringe NHLer that we don't know for sure is terrible, out of the origination. For what? Erik Johnson's presence? Even if you think the results were fluky, shouldn't you want to know for sure?

Just consider this the next time you are hyping up a fringe prospect when they have their (older) 4th line already locked up with term. 4th line forwards and 3rd pair defensemen should be flexible spots so that you can churn and exhaust through all options - waivers, minors, Euro UDFAs, etc.. This is the bucket that ~90% of prospects will likely fall under. It's team building 101.

 

[IronMarshal]

I prob overrated Attard but still wish we saw him a little more in the NHL.

best of luck

I'm with you on this

 

[TCTC]

Cutter gone. Attard gone. At least we're getting rid of the stupid names Fletcher drafted. That's progress in my opinion.

 

[Boocowski]

There is that. Getting rid of Fletcher guys. Might be the main reason. Otherwise it's nothing for nothing. Get rid of one guy you've given up on and bring in a different guy maybe you think you can make into what you thought the other guy was. But likely nothing for nothing.

 

[deadhead]

Remove the 1st rd picks what are you left with? Naming Gill and Bonk is comical at this point. Are you really impressed by that list?

So what team does well outside the 1st rd?
There's a reason 1st rd picks (I'd say top 40) are valued much higher than later picks.