Red Sox/MLB Atlanta’s Chris Sale wins the National League Cy Young Award

[Chevalier du Clavier]

How about making a serious push to be good at baseball

Your aspirations are higher than your grasp.

 

[yazmybaby]

This seems like a bit of an overreaction. Qualifying Pivetta could mean a number of things. Of the top of my head, there are two fairly plausible scenarios:

1. They know Pivetta will reject the offer, and they're trying to get a draft pick out of it.
2. They're getting pretty significant trade interest in another one of their starters.

By keeping Pivetta, it allows us to move another SP to the pen, and or trade one of Houck or Crawford in a package deal to upgrade the rotation.
We need a LH starter badly.
Worst case, he declines and we get a compensatory pick.

 

[yazmybaby]

Always tough to be the guy who has to make the final decision on the construction of the team.

While, as he said, it's tough to decide to move young talent for current MLB'ers, it's also got to be tough to decide to be patient with them, especially in a big market.

I mean just look at the 4 he mentioned -- Anthony, Teel, Campbell, Mayer-- I won't pretend to be able to project what they will be 5 years down the road.... but just looking at things based on likely position:

Anthony is an OF, Mayer a SS.

Two years from now, who are the 3 starting OF?

Duran, Abreu, Anthony? --- what about Rafaella if Mayer is here at SS?

Do you trade one or two of them this off season in a package for pitching?

Will Rafaella learn not to chase sliders away and not strike out in over 27% of plate appearances? Do they move him, or keep him because of his versatility?

What of Campbell? I read some reports saying OF is his best position and some saying 2B. Does he push for a spot in 2026?

Teel is a bit easier, as he can back up Wong for a year or two before hopefully taking over in 27 or 28.

Good problems to have, but regardless of what he does, a huge % of people will not like it initially, and nobody will know if they were the right moves for a couple of years at least.

I cannot see all 4 remaining on the team this year, at least one needs to be traded.
I would keep Teel, we need a good young catcher.
Our 2b depth has Hamilton/Grissom/Campbell/Rafaella, some one needs to be traded.
SS is set with Story, Mayer can take over when the time is right, as I think he needs some time in AAA. Arias and Romero are 2-3 years away.

OF / DH - overloaded with lefthanded hitters, we need a RH power hitter. Masa needs to be traded,
3B and 1B are our weakest positions for depth, other than starters. We need to replenish the farm, if we make deals, try to get a decent prospect in return.

 

[Smitty93]

I believe Breslow is going to f*** this entire thing up. I don't understand anything he has said this off-season. I also don't understand why you'd make the fanbase wait years for the "kids" and the moment they're ready to contribute you trade them away.

Before anyone says, "But what if they trade them for established stars?" My fear is Breslow is gonna overpay with prospects for pitching rather than just sign FAs, and the team ultimately won't pay any star they do trade for. They'll let them walk in a year or two and then restart the whole process of "waiting for the new kids."

I have no confidence in Breslow and disdain for ownership.

A year ago I thought we simply replaced Chaim with a copy who's got better PR (former player, stronger ties to the org). This offseason will tell us if we got a worse version who just happens to be better at kissing ass.

I feel like I do with Sweeney, where I'm just expecting the worst asset management possible.

 

[EverettMike]

A year ago I thought we simply replaced Chaim with a copy who's got better PR (former player, stronger ties to the org). This offseason will tell us if we got a worse version who just happens to be better at kissing ass.

I feel like I do with Sweeney, where I'm just expecting the worst asset management possible.

They have PLENTY OF MONEY. It makes zero f***ing sense to trade any high level prospect for pitching when they can simply sign pitchers. It's not like those deals are even outrageous these days. Last off-season showed it has become a buyers market in free agency for now. Cole just had to eat major shit from the Yankees!

 

[yazmybaby]

This is the only ballot Steve Garvey has a chance on this fall.

Tiant is a HOFer for sure

Tommy John is a tough one where he had a very long and very good career, but no hardware and was only top-five in Cy Young voting twice. But he was well-above average until the age of 40 and was average or better until the age of 46. I think being the namesake of the surgery and being the first guy to do it and come back gives enough notoriety that he should probably be in, but its a tough call.

Garvey had an MVP, was runner up another year, finished 6th three other times. Four time gold Glover and the best defensive 1B of his generation. He's kind of a Schilling attitude but I would give him an HOF nod.

Parker would probably be in if he didn't have the drug scandal hanging over him.

Dick Allen's raw numbers are tremendous but comparatively less on the award voting side, plus not having the defensive prowess that Garvey and Parker had. But part of it is just that he was on a lot of shitty Phillies and White Sox teams, and if he had Stargell or Reggie Smith batting behind him or got showcased in October ever he'd probably have gotten a lot more votes.

Yes El Tiant is a certain HOF.
Not sure SG was the best defensive 1B in his generation, I would take Keith Hernandez over him any day of the week.....he won 10 gold gloves.
Mattingly was pretty darn good as well.
My knock on Garvey was his lack of power.
He only hit 30+ HR's once.
Chavez Ravine was a pretty easy park to hit a homerun.

 

[N o o d l e s]

They have PLENTY OF MONEY. It makes zero f***ing sense to trade any high level prospect for pitching when they can simply sign pitchers. It's not like those deals are even outrageous these days. Last off-season showed it has become a buyers market in free agency for now. Cole just had to eat major shit from the Yankees!

I’ll be honest I think making a trade makes sense. I’m not really seeing anyone that would overly make sense to offer big money to. Snell is great but what 33? I already made my feelings known about Flaherty but he’s a hell no. Eovaldi is ok but not the big splash they’re really needing. It’s really just Corbin Burnes, who I’d love to sign but not getting any indication that would happen.

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853850124306338090

 

[GatorMike]

They have PLENTY OF MONEY. It makes zero f***ing sense to trade any high level prospect for pitching when they can simply sign pitchers. It's not like those deals are even outrageous these days. Last off-season showed it has become a buyers market in free agency for now. Cole just had to eat major shit from the Yankees!

I think the argument would be that pitchers over the age of 30 are at a higher risk of injury and/or significant decline.

 

[Mione134]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853850124306338090

Of course.

But that doesn't mean the Red Sox shouldn't be in on him.

 

[Smitty93]

Trading for Garrett Crochet instead of signing a 30+ free agent starter because you're concerned about their health and future decline would be immensely funny and fit this ownership to a T.

 

[LouJersey]

This seems like a bit of an overreaction. Qualifying Pivetta could mean a number of things. Of the top of my head, there are two fairly plausible scenarios:

1. They know Pivetta will reject the offer, and they're trying to get a draft pick out of it.
2. They're getting pretty significant trade interest in another one of their starters.

Or they want him to accept the QO

 

[GatorMike]

 

[EvilDead]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853850124306338090

He's not going to get posted. The Chiba Marines still have two years on Sasaki's contract and they aren't going to throw that away.

Of course.

But that doesn't mean the Red Sox shouldn't be in on him.

When Sasaki gets posted two years from now, the Red Sox should absolutely be in on getting him. He's a generational pitching talent.

 

[Mione134]

He's not going to get posted. The Chiba Marines still have two years on Sasaki's contract and they aren't going to throw that away.



When Sasaki gets posted two years from now, the Red Sox should absolutely be in on getting him. He's a generational pitching talent.

They should . But these owners have shown they arent serious people

 

[McGarnagle]

He's not going to get posted. The Chiba Marines still have two years on Sasaki's contract and they aren't going to throw that away.



When Sasaki gets posted two years from now, the Red Sox should absolutely be in on getting him. He's a generational pitching talent.

How does the posting system work these days? I know they changed it a few years back to basically be full on free agency and a buyer's fee to the Japanese team.

 

[GatorMike]

How does the posting system work these days? I know they changed it a few years back to basically be full on free agency and a buyer's fee to the Japanese team.

Japan's Top Pitcher May Not Come To MLB For Two Years

Roki Sasaki would be one of the most talented players in the upcoming free agent class if he were available. …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[yazmybaby]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853850124306338090

I do not see this happening.
Dodgers have Glasnow,May and Gonsolin all coming back next year, and maybe Kershaw.

 

[EvilDead]

How does the posting system work these days? I know they changed it a few years back to basically be full on free agency and a buyer's fee to the Japanese team.

So the rules of the posting system, after frustration between both MLB and NPB on how fees for certain players were being handled, works as such when it comes to players getting posted.

Any player posted by NPB, KBO, or CPBL (Taiwan's league) has to be over the age of 25 and have six years of pro ball experience, otherwise that player will immediately go into the international free agency pool. There's a scaled cap on how much money can be spent on talents and the same is true of KBO, with the limit being $50 million. NPB also has rules to prevent players from gaming the system, closing every single loophole that players have used in the aftermath of shenanigans pulled by Hideo Nomo, Hideki Irabu, Junichi Tazawa (who was never posted but created a problem for prospects looking to skip the NPB draft), and so on. No retiring from NPB to leave to MLB, no gaming the system by playing in indy ball, no more under the table deals. NPB, as well as KBO and CPBL for that matter, don't want to go through the 90s again when MLB posed a serious threat to poach all their young players.

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853938695734263910

 

[GatorMike]

I do not see this happening.
Dodgers have Glasnow,May and Gonsolin all coming back next year, and maybe Kershaw.

FWIW... I like Sasaki, but I think there's a real chance he ends up as a late inning reliever in MLB.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853938695734263910

What else was Breslow going to say? "Oh yeah, his ass is gone!"

 

[GatorMike]

 

[GatorMike]

 

[CDJ]

I think Crochet is nasty, im just not about paying him the premium he’ll cost given the most he’s ever thrown in a season is 140 innings and he’s had arm problems

Disgusting pitcher when he’s out there though. He has the stuff to be the best pitcher in the league.

if they want to add him because they plan on making some other big free agent adds then fine, but if he’s the big move and they look mid market beyond that then I will not be happy with them.