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ToDavid said:
I think people are taking things written in a "bold takes" article too seriously.
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I would hope Matthews has better things to stick around for than Kyle Dubas. I mean, if that's what it takes it's rather strange. I think those guys that write articles just need something to say :D
 
acrobaticgoalie said:
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Unfortunately sports are the one business where some inmates can run the asylum. A guy like Matthews is irreplaceable. Where else are you going to find a 60 goal scorer and selke candidate. If we lose him for nothing, we're relying on JT to be the 1C and how much longer can he do it? If we lose Matthews, we aren't finding another 1C anytime soon. He has tons of leverage.


Look at a guy like LeBron. That guy can push the coach out of a timeout scrum and take over the strategy and theres nothing any if the bosses are going to do about it because without him they are not going anywhere.
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Lebron has also ruined every franchise he's been a part of besides the Miami heat in the long run with 3.5 championships ( the bubble one was basically handed to him) to show for it.

For a sport that is so star driven and a guy that has basically played solely with 2/3 all stars every year since the decision it's not a great return on investment.

Kawaii left the raps after a year but at least they weren't as f***ed futures wise as the Lakers are
 
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DraftSchmaft said:
Lmao me you and havoc against like 100 guys trying to trade Nylander. Let's goooo.

I guess we can pull Dubas in as the 4th. He likes Nylander too.
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I meaaaaaaaaaaan 100% of gms wouldnt let nylander go unless its an absolute steal of a deal. I'm not crediting dubas just because some riled up crowd on a message board no gm in the universe would listen to anyways wanted to trade nylander tbh

Shots fired. You chose your new team.
 
The following will surely get groans and moans.

Even if the Leafs finally manage to win a couple of playoff series in the spring of 2023, I don't see that as a vindication of the plan leading up to the spring of 2023. It's still a tilted plan relying on too heavily on a small group of elite forwards that in my opinion lowered the team's chances at a championship. Having finally achieved a concrete playoff results based justification for a contract extension for the GM doesn't mean the team has been optimized for the past 4 -5 seasons.
 
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Inside the NHL's secret arms race for competitive advantage​


If there's one thing the NHL league office is obsessed with, it's competitive balance. Parity rules in hockey, and the league often emphasizes that it treats its 32 teams equally. That's fostered by a hard salary cap. There's a fixed amount teams can spend on players -- and as the league recovers from revenues lost in the pandemic, that salary cap remains largely stagnant, jumping to $82.5 million this season after three straight seasons of $81.5 million.

However there's an unspoken secret in the NHL: There's no salary cap on hockey operations. And behind the scenes, there's an arms race between teams, navigating where to spend extra cash -- and how much of it needs to be spent -- to find a competitive advantage.

"Nobody will say it out loud," one NHL assistant general manager said. "But the divide between the haves and the have nots in the league is quite big. Not everyone is playing with the same deck of cards. If you think teams like Arizona, Carolina or Ottawa are operating on a budget that looks like what Toronto is spending, then you're fooling yourself."

What does that gap look like? Two dozen front office executives, coaches, agents, players and people closest to the game shared their insights to offer a picture of what type of spending goes on behind the scenes. They help explain where money is spent (and saved). Staff size is the easiest place to start.

But when it comes to the number of people employed in hockey ops, everyone surveyed for this story pointed to one team spending far more than the rest: the Maple Leafs.

"If the salary cap was $140 million, Toronto would have a $140 million payroll," one agent said. "They are the Yankees or the Dodgers of our league. [GM] Kyle [Dubas] seemingly gets a blank check from ownership." Toronto players sometimes joke that they could spend each day introducing themself to a different team staffer. Rival front office members joke that Dubas has more assistant general managers than they have ties; the Leafs technically have five AGMs, plus eight people in hockey ops with a director title. The Flyers and the Maple Leafs are routinely cited as having the largest analytics departments in the NHL.

Everyone's chasing the same goal -- the Stanley Cup. There's no magic formula to tell teams how to get there, but teams will always try to look for an edge. The irony is not lost on anyone that the team that routinely tops the board in terms of spending is the Maple Leafs -- the team that can't get out of the first round of the playoffs.

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There's no salary cap on hockey operations: Inside the NHL's secret race for competitive advantage

Which teams have the biggest analytics departments? How do scouting staffs vary? We look at how NHL teams spend outside of salaries and how it could create a competitive divide.
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Mess said:

Inside the NHL's secret arms race for competitive advantage​


If there's one thing the NHL league office is obsessed with, it's competitive balance. Parity rules in hockey, and the league often emphasizes that it treats its 32 teams equally. That's fostered by a hard salary cap. There's a fixed amount teams can spend on players -- and as the league recovers from revenues lost in the pandemic, that salary cap remains largely stagnant, jumping to $82.5 million this season after three straight seasons of $81.5 million.

However there's an unspoken secret in the NHL: There's no salary cap on hockey operations. And behind the scenes, there's an arms race between teams, navigating where to spend extra cash -- and how much of it needs to be spent -- to find a competitive advantage.

"Nobody will say it out loud," one NHL assistant general manager said. "But the divide between the haves and the have nots in the league is quite big. Not everyone is playing with the same deck of cards. If you think teams like Arizona, Carolina or Ottawa are operating on a budget that looks like what Toronto is spending, then you're fooling yourself."

What does that gap look like? Two dozen front office executives, coaches, agents, players and people closest to the game shared their insights to offer a picture of what type of spending goes on behind the scenes. They help explain where money is spent (and saved). Staff size is the easiest place to start.

But when it comes to the number of people employed in hockey ops, everyone surveyed for this story pointed to one team spending far more than the rest: the Maple Leafs.

"If the salary cap was $140 million, Toronto would have a $140 million payroll," one agent said. "They are the Yankees or the Dodgers of our league. [GM] Kyle [Dubas] seemingly gets a blank check from ownership." Toronto players sometimes joke that they could spend each day introducing themself to a different team staffer. Rival front office members joke that Dubas has more assistant general managers than they have ties; the Leafs technically have five AGMs, plus eight people in hockey ops with a director title. The Flyers and the Maple Leafs are routinely cited as having the largest analytics departments in the NHL.

Everyone's chasing the same goal -- the Stanley Cup. There's no magic formula to tell teams how to get there, but teams will always try to look for an edge. The irony is not lost on anyone that the team that routinely tops the board in terms of spending is the Maple Leafs -- the team that can't get out of the first round of the playoffs.

www.espn.com

There's no salary cap on hockey operations: Inside the NHL's secret race for competitive advantage

Which teams have the biggest analytics departments? How do scouting staffs vary? We look at how NHL teams spend outside of salaries and how it could create a competitive divide.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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There are a bunch of different impactful advantages in this league, and staff size is certainly not the biggest.

Also LOL at the claim that the NHL treats all 32 teams equally and emphasizes competitive balance above all else.
 
Bloat is never an advantage. It isn't unreasonable to assume that if we were to have some way to measure then total every individual hockey knowledge in NHL front offices that the Leafs would lead the league in total hockey executive knowledge. But bloat reverses that advantage. Everyday there are hockey people in the Leafs' front office doing needless busy work, filling out reports, working on long term projects that amount to nothing, going to endless corporate training meetings, working on an endless number of email chains discussing every minutia of subject matter that has little to do with putting a better team on the ice. The more departments and titled individuals with mini-fiefdoms in the structure, the more people with the power to waste your time and suck your energy from tangible goals.

In the end, one encyclopedic hockey mind running a lean front office of mostly like-minded hockey subordinates given proper power levers trumps an office containing dozens of good hockey minds tugging and pushing against one another.

BTW this isn't Kyle Dubas' fault mostly or even Shanahan's fault. Somebody who controls the cash flow has to say no at some point.
 
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rocketman588 said:
Lebron has also ruined every franchise he's been a part of besides the Miami heat in the long run with 3.5 championships ( the bubble one was basically handed to him) to show for it.

For a sport that is so star driven and a guy that has basically played solely with 2/3 all stars every year since the decision it's not a great return on investment.

Kawaii left the raps after a year but at least they weren't as f***ed futures wise as the Lakers are
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I would disagree, Dan Gilbert (Owner of the Cavs) ruined Cleveland, not Lebron. Dan Gilbert ruined that relationship. He couldn't help himself. That organization was a mess before Lebron got there. Lebron took them to a finals with an abysmal team during his first stint. He came back, won them a championship and wanted to resign, but Gilbert had to open his big mouth, otherwise he's probably still a Cav to this day.
 
Mess said:

Inside the NHL's secret arms race for competitive advantage​


If there's one thing the NHL league office is obsessed with, it's competitive balance. Parity rules in hockey, and the league often emphasizes that it treats its 32 teams equally. That's fostered by a hard salary cap. There's a fixed amount teams can spend on players -- and as the league recovers from revenues lost in the pandemic, that salary cap remains largely stagnant, jumping to $82.5 million this season after three straight seasons of $81.5 million.

However there's an unspoken secret in the NHL: There's no salary cap on hockey operations. And behind the scenes, there's an arms race between teams, navigating where to spend extra cash -- and how much of it needs to be spent -- to find a competitive advantage.

"Nobody will say it out loud," one NHL assistant general manager said. "But the divide between the haves and the have nots in the league is quite big. Not everyone is playing with the same deck of cards. If you think teams like Arizona, Carolina or Ottawa are operating on a budget that looks like what Toronto is spending, then you're fooling yourself."

What does that gap look like? Two dozen front office executives, coaches, agents, players and people closest to the game shared their insights to offer a picture of what type of spending goes on behind the scenes. They help explain where money is spent (and saved). Staff size is the easiest place to start.

But when it comes to the number of people employed in hockey ops, everyone surveyed for this story pointed to one team spending far more than the rest: the Maple Leafs.

"If the salary cap was $140 million, Toronto would have a $140 million payroll," one agent said. "They are the Yankees or the Dodgers of our league. [GM] Kyle [Dubas] seemingly gets a blank check from ownership." Toronto players sometimes joke that they could spend each day introducing themself to a different team staffer. Rival front office members joke that Dubas has more assistant general managers than they have ties; the Leafs technically have five AGMs, plus eight people in hockey ops with a director title. The Flyers and the Maple Leafs are routinely cited as having the largest analytics departments in the NHL.

Everyone's chasing the same goal -- the Stanley Cup. There's no magic formula to tell teams how to get there, but teams will always try to look for an edge. The irony is not lost on anyone that the team that routinely tops the board in terms of spending is the Maple Leafs -- the team that can't get out of the first round of the playoffs.

www.espn.com

There's no salary cap on hockey operations: Inside the NHL's secret race for competitive advantage

Which teams have the biggest analytics departments? How do scouting staffs vary? We look at how NHL teams spend outside of salaries and how it could create a competitive divide.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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Good article. It took her long enough to get to the point though:

"Everything Toronto does is class. Sure, there's a lot more pressure to win there, but you hear stories of the way guys are treated there and the resources they have there -- then you get there, and it's unreal. Even better than they say."
The conclusion is bang on to:
"People will make fun of how much Toronto spends," one front office executive said. "But that's just because they're jealous. Too often in this league we cater to the lowest common denominator. Sure it hasn't led to playoff success for them yet, but it will -- because they've created a forward-thinking culture. We should be celebrating that, and hope they're raising the bar for the rest of the league to follow."
 
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Good article. It took her long enough to get to the point though:
Leaf Fans said:
"Everything Toronto does is class. Sure, there's a lot more pressure to win there, but you hear stories of the way guys are treated there and the resources they have there -- then you get there, and it's unreal. Even better than they say."
The conclusion is bang on to:
"People will make fun of how much Toronto spends," one front office executive said. "But that's just because they're jealous. Too often in this league we cater to the lowest common denominator. Sure it hasn't led to playoff success for them yet, but it will -- because they've created a forward-thinking culture. We should be celebrating that, and hope they're raising the bar for the rest of the league to follow."
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There's 0 chance that last quote isn't Kyle Dubas lol
 
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rocketman588 said:
Good article. It took her long enough to get to the point though:


There's 0 chance that last quote isn't Kyle Dubas lol
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Did some one claim that it was? There is a huge chance that it wasn't as there are many more executive than him.
 
The "forward thinking culture" rhetoric really is code for "we are engineering a better future because we are good and we know better than you." I know they aren't the only corpo-government entity using this type of condescending language but the arrogance really is off the charts.
 
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The "forward thinking culture" rhetoric really is code for "we are engineering a better future because we are good and we know better than you." I know they aren't the only corpo-government entity using this type of condescending language but the arrogance really is off the charts.
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Do you have some sort of decoder ring or something.
 
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justashadowof said:
The following will surely get groans and moans.

Even if the Leafs finally manage to win a couple of playoff series in the spring of 2023, I don't see that as a vindication of the plan leading up to the spring of 2023. It's still a tilted plan relying on too heavily on a small group of elite forwards that in my opinion lowered the team's chances at a championship. Having finally achieved a concrete playoff results based justification for a contract extension for the GM doesn't mean the team has been optimized for the past 4 -5 seasons.
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While I don’t disagree with you on the heavily tilted aspect of our lineup/contracts if players like Sandin, Liljegren and perhaps some of the other trades/signing (Murray and Samsonov) regain their form and are stars we have to ask has he done a terrible job building up prospects and juggling this team and giving them opportunity to win all while dealing with a terrible cap situation-he wasn’t expecting a pandemic and flat cap. I put a lot of blame on our stars and their inability to elevate their game when it matters most. Would we likely a tougher D, sure. What about a grittier bottom 6…absolutely. The issue is your stats have to be your stars and up until last year they all disappeared when we had the opportunity to take previous series.
 
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