ATD Chat Thread XX

[Dr John Carlson]

Tom Wilson Effect on full display tonight.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Does anyone subscribe? I'd be curious at some of the big years.

I haven't subscribed, but my understanding is it evaluates players based on percentiles. So the best-of-the-best seasons (ie Ovechkin 2008, McDavid 2021 and 2023) would all be 100th percentile. I don't think it's designed to facilitate intra-year comparisons. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this?)

 

[Johnny Engine]

I haven't subscribed, but my understanding is it evaluates players based on percentiles. So the best-of-the-best seasons (ie Ovechkin 2008, McDavid 2021 and 2023) would all be 100th percentile. I don't think it's designed to facilitate intra-year comparisons. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this?)

This is correct, and would be true for more than just the "best of the best" seasons. Depending on what the games/minutes cutoff is, there'd be around 7 players in the 100th percentile every year - basically anyone who the model views as a deserving first team all star should grade out that way.

 

[Professor What]

I've been making quizzes on Sporcle. I've got a hard one for you guys.

Leading NHL Defensemen Scorers by Season

I never would have come up with some of those names.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

I've been making quizzes on Sporcle. I've got a hard one for you guys.

Leading NHL Defensemen Scorers by Season

I never would have come up with some of those names.

Good quiz! I got 91/115 (79%) overall. If I've added this up correctly, I got 74/80 (93%) going back to 1947, and 17/35 (49%) prior.

Some specifics (under the spoiler tag):

Spoiler: spoiler

The biggest name that I missed? Scott Niedermayer
I missed a few big names from the early days - Harry Cameron led the NHL five times, while Georges Boucher and Ebbie Goodfellow led twice.
I got credit for Mark Howe, when I started typing in (Harry) Howell.
I couldn't quite remember Mike McMahon's name (I thought it was "McOwen")
I kept guessing Darnell Nurse for 2021, but I was generally correct in thinking it was a lousy defenseman who played a lot with McDavid.

 

[Johnny Engine]

I got 90 out of 115. The biggest name you missed is also one I missed, but it's because it's spelled incorrectly and I didn't try an alternate spelling...though it appears I'm right about it. There's also a very dumb miss from me who would have added 5 to my total...the challenge with these puzzles is you always get a bit of tunnel vision where if a good answer isn't at the top of your mind, you may not get it at all.

 

[Professor What]

I got 90 out of 115. The biggest name you missed is also one I missed, but it's because it's spelled incorrectly and I didn't try an alternate spelling...though it appears I'm right about it. There's also a very dumb miss from me who would have added 5 to my total...the challenge with these puzzles is you always get a bit of tunnel vision where if a good answer isn't at the top of your mind, you may not get it at all.

Thanks for pointing that out. It's corrected now. I felt like an idiot when I saw what I'd done.

 

[seventieslord]

I've been making quizzes on Sporcle. I've got a hard one for you guys.

Leading NHL Defensemen Scorers by Season

I never would have come up with some of those names.

Good quiz, but 26, 28 40, 46 and 67 were forwards.

 

[seventieslord]

Good quiz! I got 91/115 (79%) overall. If I've added this up correctly, I got 74/80 (93%) going back to 1947, and 17/35 (49%) prior.

Some specifics (under the spoiler tag):

Spoiler: spoiler

The biggest name that I missed? Scott Niedermayer
I missed a few big names from the early days - Harry Cameron led the NHL five times, while Georges Boucher and Ebbie Goodfellow led twice.
I got credit for Mark Howe, when I started typing in (Harry) Howell.
I couldn't quite remember Mike McMahon's name (I thought it was "McOwen")
I kept guessing Darnell Nurse for 2021, but I was generally correct in thinking it was a lousy defenseman who played a lot with McDavid.

Spoiler

I got 83%. From 1950 on I only missed 62, 67, 68. I sorta knew 68 but I said McEwen.

Same thing happened to me with Howe!

 

[Professor What]

Good quiz, but 26, 28 40, 46 and 67 were forwards.

Hockey Reference has all of them playing defense in those seasons. Some of them are listed on their pages as LW/D or RW/D, but in those particular seasons, they're listed as D. Although I'm not sure about the 1928 part. Those guys were just defensemen.

But yeah, if something's wrong, I'm blaming them. They were my source. Lol

 

[Dr Pepper]

Thanks for pointing that out. It's corrected now. I felt like an idiot when I saw what I'd done.

Don't feel bad, it's a name that can confuse many I'm sure, for many reasons!

 

[seventieslord]

Hockey Reference has all of them playing defense in those seasons. Some of them are listed on their pages as LW/D or RW/D, but in those particular seasons, they're listed as D. Although I'm not sure about the 1928 part. Those guys were just defensemen.

But yeah, if something's wrong, I'm blaming them. They were my source. Lol

McCaffrey definitely started as a winger. You can see the change in his statistics, it's pretty drastic. I've had him as a spare in multiple AAA drafts in the past.

Day was famously a LW before moving to D, the exact moment has not been uncovered as far as I know, but it doesn't seem very likely that he'd outscore all defensemen playing just 61% of the schedule. (and also, Lionel Conacher would win on goals tiebreaker, wouldn't he?)

It's well known that Tom Anderson was a LW who only switched to D in his last season, when he won the Hart.

I know little about Allen, he's never come up in any low-level draft because he never did anything significant (like lead NHL defensemen in scoring, haha). Chicago has a full complement of defensemen that season who played the whole year. He seems to have played RW with Smith or Gee as his center (only twice scored a point on a goal where another RW got a point)

Doug Mohns was definitely a LW in 1967, this was the heyday of the Scooter Line.

 

[Habsfan18]

This was wild to watch last night. Legitimately put the team on his back, and against his old club at that.

Interesting bit of trivia in that it was never done before last night.

 

[jigglysquishy]

I'd be cautious on how to include Kelly. Already by 1950 he would play games or shifts at forward if the team needed it.

The Montreal Gazette · ‎Mar 6, 1950
Bill Gadsby is the highest scoring defenceman in the league if you overlook Red Kelly, who has played a forward position a good part of the time, but Gadsby leaves a lot to be desired in a defensive way.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

What an unbelievable weekend of playoff hockey. I can't remember the last time there have been such dramatic, high-quality game 7's on consecutive days.

 

[Beliveau]

What an unbelievable weekend of playoff hockey. I can't remember the last time there have been such dramatic, high-quality game 7's on consecutive days.

Agreed. Also, although it's the first time ever the 4 US O6 teams all missed the playoffs, it's nice to see the TML in the second round and the Habs in the POs.

 

[Dr Pepper]

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This was wild to watch last night. Legitimately put the team on his back, and against his old club at that.

Interesting bit of trivia in that it was never done before last night.

Perfetti saw Rantanen's heroics and said "watch this".

Latest game-tying goal in a Game 7 in NHL history.

Soul-crushing for the Blues, I'm surprised they made it all the way to a 2nd OT before finally bowing out.

 

[Beliveau]

I feel that sports knowledge is slowly dying. Barry Bonds averaged less than 30 HRs a year the first half of his career before he started cheating. Look it up. LeBron started 4 years younger than players such as Kareem so of course his career totals are going to be higher. He was arguably the victim of the 2 biggest NBA Finals upsets ever and the biggest Olympic finals upset ever. Europeans were not as great as they are now in 2004 when LeBron had every top US player on his team except Kobe and lost. The US had to beg Kobe to play in 2008 just so they could beat non-NBA players. He's obviously not one of the top 2 players in the last 30 years. Over half of main board users that don't post in the HoH have OV & McDavid in the top 10 ever. McDavid was selected 16th OA here before he ever went to a conference final.

Internet access to info seems to have the hurt the knowledge cause somehow and it gets worse every year.

 

[VanIslander]

Utah Hockey Club had appeal.

But that Utah Mammoth logo and colors (more than the name itself)... ROCKS!!

 

[VanIslander]

Wait, ... I thought the same with the Predators.

Extinct cool animal copy?

 

[Dr Pepper]

Having an actual team name is just better........although Outlaws would've been a clear step backwards IMO.

I like the Mammoth name and logo, just wish the team went fully on board for BOTH jerseys and not just their home ones.

Road whites still just have the UTAH wordmark.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

I'm a freak who actually liked Utah Hockey Club, and think that's way better than lame Mammoth. Too used to having friends whose main sport is (European) football.

 

[VanIslander]

One of the greatest music videos ever:

 

[Stockyard]

One of the greatest music videos ever:

you kids these days and your "music videos". back when I was a kid we didn't have music videos because the dang thing hadnt been invented yet so we had to make do with two sticks in the backyard until one day sometime in the 1950s someone figured out that if you added a newfangled invention called electricity to a guitar you could get all sorts of distortion effects so we had lots of new rock & roll bands, they didnt make any music videos at first and if we wanted to see them perform we had to spend our afternoons collecting cans and beer bottles by the side of the road to buy a ticket to see them in a concert (something the ticketmonster is trying to gobble up). you kids these days have it easy. just turn on ur compuker, open up the world wide web (www for short, now why is the acronym longer to say than the original, guess they invented it in the language lab) type in WWW dot YOUTUBE dot COM and voila! all the classics right to your desktop and you dont even need to leave the comfort of your living room (or bedroom hey I aint judging, it's 2025 after all, you do you) too bad most kids are too busy chasing the pokyman to enjoy the classics like we had

 

[Habsfan18]

Hockey historian and author Ty Dilello (ATDer @nabby12) has been hard at work on a brand new book project, set for publication this fall.."The Sawchuk Diaries: An Oral History of Terry Sawchuk."

A proud Winnipegger, Ty has interviewed countless hockey players over the past decade and during that time has compiled some great stories and memories from players who had played with and against Terry Sawchuk over the years.

It'll be available for purchase on Amazon and through Ty directly.

*Please note that this is just a preliminary mockup of the cover, and is not final.