ATD Chat Thread XX

[Dr John Carlson]

Tom Wilson Effect on full display tonight.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Does anyone subscribe? I'd be curious at some of the big years.

I haven't subscribed, but my understanding is it evaluates players based on percentiles. So the best-of-the-best seasons (ie Ovechkin 2008, McDavid 2021 and 2023) would all be 100th percentile. I don't think it's designed to facilitate intra-year comparisons. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this?)

 

[Johnny Engine]

I haven't subscribed, but my understanding is it evaluates players based on percentiles. So the best-of-the-best seasons (ie Ovechkin 2008, McDavid 2021 and 2023) would all be 100th percentile. I don't think it's designed to facilitate intra-year comparisons. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this?)

This is correct, and would be true for more than just the "best of the best" seasons. Depending on what the games/minutes cutoff is, there'd be around 7 players in the 100th percentile every year - basically anyone who the model views as a deserving first team all star should grade out that way.

 

[Professor What]

I've been making quizzes on Sporcle. I've got a hard one for you guys.

Leading NHL Defensemen Scorers by Season

I never would have come up with some of those names.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

I've been making quizzes on Sporcle. I've got a hard one for you guys.

Leading NHL Defensemen Scorers by Season

I never would have come up with some of those names.

Good quiz! I got 91/115 (79%) overall. If I've added this up correctly, I got 74/80 (93%) going back to 1947, and 17/35 (49%) prior.

Some specifics (under the spoiler tag):

Spoiler: spoiler

The biggest name that I missed? Scott Niedermayer
I missed a few big names from the early days - Harry Cameron led the NHL five times, while Georges Boucher and Ebbie Goodfellow led twice.
I got credit for Mark Howe, when I started typing in (Harry) Howell.
I couldn't quite remember Mike McMahon's name (I thought it was "McOwen")
I kept guessing Darnell Nurse for 2021, but I was generally correct in thinking it was a lousy defenseman who played a lot with McDavid.

 

[Johnny Engine]

I got 90 out of 115. The biggest name you missed is also one I missed, but it's because it's spelled incorrectly and I didn't try an alternate spelling...though it appears I'm right about it. There's also a very dumb miss from me who would have added 5 to my total...the challenge with these puzzles is you always get a bit of tunnel vision where if a good answer isn't at the top of your mind, you may not get it at all.

 

[Professor What]

I got 90 out of 115. The biggest name you missed is also one I missed, but it's because it's spelled incorrectly and I didn't try an alternate spelling...though it appears I'm right about it. There's also a very dumb miss from me who would have added 5 to my total...the challenge with these puzzles is you always get a bit of tunnel vision where if a good answer isn't at the top of your mind, you may not get it at all.

Thanks for pointing that out. It's corrected now. I felt like an idiot when I saw what I'd done.

 

[seventieslord]

I've been making quizzes on Sporcle. I've got a hard one for you guys.

Leading NHL Defensemen Scorers by Season

I never would have come up with some of those names.

Good quiz, but 26, 28 40, 46 and 67 were forwards.

 

[seventieslord]

Good quiz! I got 91/115 (79%) overall. If I've added this up correctly, I got 74/80 (93%) going back to 1947, and 17/35 (49%) prior.

Some specifics (under the spoiler tag):

Spoiler: spoiler

The biggest name that I missed? Scott Niedermayer
I missed a few big names from the early days - Harry Cameron led the NHL five times, while Georges Boucher and Ebbie Goodfellow led twice.
I got credit for Mark Howe, when I started typing in (Harry) Howell.
I couldn't quite remember Mike McMahon's name (I thought it was "McOwen")
I kept guessing Darnell Nurse for 2021, but I was generally correct in thinking it was a lousy defenseman who played a lot with McDavid.

Spoiler

I got 83%. From 1950 on I only missed 62, 67, 68. I sorta knew 68 but I said McEwen.

Same thing happened to me with Howe!

 

[Professor What]

Good quiz, but 26, 28 40, 46 and 67 were forwards.

Hockey Reference has all of them playing defense in those seasons. Some of them are listed on their pages as LW/D or RW/D, but in those particular seasons, they're listed as D. Although I'm not sure about the 1928 part. Those guys were just defensemen.

But yeah, if something's wrong, I'm blaming them. They were my source. Lol

 

[Dr Pepper]

Thanks for pointing that out. It's corrected now. I felt like an idiot when I saw what I'd done.

Don't feel bad, it's a name that can confuse many I'm sure, for many reasons!

 

[seventieslord]

Hockey Reference has all of them playing defense in those seasons. Some of them are listed on their pages as LW/D or RW/D, but in those particular seasons, they're listed as D. Although I'm not sure about the 1928 part. Those guys were just defensemen.

But yeah, if something's wrong, I'm blaming them. They were my source. Lol

McCaffrey definitely started as a winger. You can see the change in his statistics, it's pretty drastic. I've had him as a spare in multiple AAA drafts in the past.

Day was famously a LW before moving to D, the exact moment has not been uncovered as far as I know, but it doesn't seem very likely that he'd outscore all defensemen playing just 61% of the schedule. (and also, Lionel Conacher would win on goals tiebreaker, wouldn't he?)

It's well known that Tom Anderson was a LW who only switched to D in his last season, when he won the Hart.

I know little about Allen, he's never come up in any low-level draft because he never did anything significant (like lead NHL defensemen in scoring, haha). Chicago has a full complement of defensemen that season who played the whole year. He seems to have played RW with Smith or Gee as his center (only twice scored a point on a goal where another RW got a point)

Doug Mohns was definitely a LW in 1967, this was the heyday of the Scooter Line.