ATD Chat Thread XX

[pappyline]

An injured McDavid just dragged the Oil to G7 without a healthy Drai and not much else against a very tough opponent and goaltender. How many players have done that? Along with his other bling and numbers... does that get him to the 10-spot now? 8 elite seasons and he's doing it again this year, of course.

I mean the Hawks cheated their way to a Cup in 1961, but nobody talks about that. Without that Hull and Mikita's resume gets thinner.

How so? First time I have heard this nonsense.

 

[tinyzombies]

How so? First time I have heard this nonsense.

Habs players all said so. Storey said he couldn't call everything or there wouldn't have been a game. Toronto played a tough style of hockey and the Habs didn't complain about that, but they did complain about Chicago in 61.

 

[tinyzombies]

Been looking for this book for a long time - finally stumbled on one for $5. Sportswriter Andy O’Brien went a long ways back with the Habs as you guys know. Not sure his reliability as a source.

 

[pappyline]

Habs players all said so. Storey said he couldn't call everything or there wouldn't have been a game. Toronto played a tough style of hockey and the Habs didn't complain about that, but they did complain about Chicago in 61.

Nonsense! So the Habs were finally beaten in the 1961 after 5 straight cups and Habs players whined about losing. Also get your facts straight. Storey wasn't the referee in 1961. He retired in 1959 after his choking causing a near riot in Chicago stadium in the Habs/Hawks series.

 

[tinyzombies]

Nonsense! So the Habs were finally beaten in the 1961 after 5 straight cups and Habs players whined about losing. Also get your facts straight. Storey wasn't the referee in 1961. He retired in 1959 after his choking causing a near riot in Chicago stadium in the Habs/Hawks series.

That’s what I read.

Neither side looked happy with the refs after game one, though Pilous seems to be poking fun at the Habs complaining. Those Habs were not known as a dirty team, so… I’m assuming he was delighted the games had swung that way. but I’ve read several accounts of Habs even in later years about the reffing in that series:




After game 6: “Enraged by the uneven performance of referee Dalton MacArthur, coach Hector “Toe” Blake punched him which earned him a fine of $2,000, a record at that time.” Source: La Presse, April 5, 1961, p.1, 44-45.

Seemingly unrelated but strange story involving MacArthur:



Also this tho:
"They wore us out," said a Montreal front-office man. "We were a battered team. But we were beaten by a better one."

Geoffrion and Harvey both playing with severe leg injuries as well. Lots of wear and tear after 8 straight Cup finals. The time had come.

 

[pappyline]

That’s what I read.

Neither side looked happy with the refs after game one, though Pilous seems to be poking fun at the Habs complaining. Those Habs were not known as a dirty team, so… I’m assuming he was delighted the games had swung that way. but I’ve read several accounts of Habs even in later years about the reffing in that series:

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After game 6: “Enraged by the uneven performance of referee Dalton MacArthur, coach Hector “Toe” Blake punched him which earned him a fine of $2,000, a record at that time.” Source: La Presse, April 5, 1961, p.1, 44-45.

Seemingly unrelated but strange story involving MacArthur:

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Also this tho:
"They wore us out," said a Montreal front-office man. "We were a battered team. But we were beaten by a better one."

Geoffrion and Harvey both playing with severe leg injuries as well. Lots of wear and tear after 8 straight Cup finals. The time had come.

Why don't you admit your original statement was nonsense. You keep mixing up the 1959 and 1961 Habs/Hawks semifinals. I watched that 6th game in 1959 on TV. That was the game where Red Storey put away his whistle and missed calling a couple of flagrant Montreal Penalties. That was the last game he ever referred.

In 1961, Hawks beat the Habs in a hard fought series. There was no cheating involved.

 

[tinyzombies]

Why don't you admit your original statement was nonsense. You keep mixing up the 1959 and 1961 Habs/Hawks semifinals. I watched that 6th game in 1959 on TV. That was the game where Red Storey put away his whistle and missed calling a couple of flagrant Montreal Penalties. That was the last game he ever referred.

In 1961, Hawks beat the Habs in a hard fought series. There was no cheating involved.

It's not nonsense and it's not my belief, I wasn't there and there's no game film. I'm quoting what the Canadiens of the time said. They said the Hawks played dirty and were not called for it. There are other more indepth quoatations I've read. I know Geoffrion spoke about it at length. The Canadiens werre not a dirty team. Also, they didn't complain about the rough play from Toronto. My inference is they were telling what they felt to be the truth, and circumstances seem to back them up, but we'll never know for sure.

Also, I can imagine the Habs were heavy favorites, so there was a lot of money to be won. And the head referee was involved in a scandal that made the NY Times. So...

 

[pappyline]

It's not nonsense and it's not my belief, I wasn't there and there's no game film. I'm quoting what the Canadiens of the time said. They said the Hawks played dirty and were not called for it. There are other more indepth quoatations I've read. I know Geoffrion spoke about it at length. The Canadiens werre not a dirty team. Also, they didn't complain about the rough play from Toronto. My inference is they were telling what they felt to be the truth, and circumstances seem to back them up, but we'll never know for sure.

Also, I can imagine the Habs were heavy favorites, so there was a lot of money to be won. And the head referee was involved in a scandal that made the NY Times. So...

This is what you stated"I mean the Hawks cheated their way to a Cup in 1961, but nobody talks about that. Without that Hull and Mikita's resume gets thinner. . You stated it as if it was a fact. There is no evidence of any cheating and I was there.

 

[tinyzombies]

This is what you stated"I mean the Hawks cheated their way to a Cup in 1961, but nobody talks about that. Without that Hull and Mikita's resume gets thinner. . You stated it as if it was a fact. There is no evidence of any cheating and I was there.

It is a fact as far as I'm concerned. I'm not doing history here. But in the history books you have to account for doubt. Wait- you were THERE? Well, in that case I will defer to you and that Montreal executive who said the better team won (tho Geoffrion and Harvey both had significant leg injuries and Geoffrion the leading scorer missed the last two games- but that does still make Chicago the better team).

 

[Leaf Lander]

Good to see pappy and Jared on the board
Happy New Years!!!