ATD 2024 Draft Thread

[VanIslander]

ATD 2024: The 20th Anniversary Edition

The all-time draft is a what-if scenario, the counterfactual reasoning tool of the academic discipline of History. The greatest players of all time, from the amateur era to the NHL to the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, Sweden, WHA, etc are drafted BASED on their whole career. No peak vs. career; instead, peak and career, all considerations. A player who was injury prone will be no less so in an all-time competition.

GMs are encouraged to provide bio info like stats, quotes and/or comments when at the podium to announce their picks.

(NO MENTIONING UNDRAFTED PLAYERS! Except Wade Belak. )

Note for new GMs:
Active players today in the 2023-2024 season are judged BASED on their career to date, meaning no projections of what he will do in the future, but instead: Imagine they suffered a freak career-ending accident the day you draft them.

The draft clock will begin Monday, February 5th at noon Eastern. The 1st round clock will be 24 hours long, dropping to 12 hours for round 2.

2). Time Limits.

24 hrs for round 1
12 for round 2
10 for rounds 3-10
8 for 11-14
6 for 15-20
4 for rest.

There will be 24 rounds, with 18 starting skaters, 2 goalies, a coach and three others for the bench. After the draft there will be votes tallied by an ex-ATDer or mod and a regular season standings list resulting. Then playoff match-ups.

Time Deductions
Voight -2 hour

Round 1:

1. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Bobby Orr, D
2. tony d - California Golden Seals - Gordie Howe, RW
3. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Wayne Gretzky, C
4. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Mario Lemieux, C
5. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Doug Harvey, D
6. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires- Jean Beliveau, C
7. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Raymond Bourque, D
8. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Nicklas Lidstrom, D
9. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Denis Potvin, D
10. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Eddie Shore, D
11. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Sidney Crosby, C
12. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Bobby Hull, LW
13. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Maurice Richard, RW
14. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Red Kelly, D/C
15. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Howie Morenz, C
16. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Connor McDavid, C
17. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Mark Messier, C
18. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Larry Robinson, D
19. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Dominik Hasek, G
20. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Patrick Roy, G
21. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Viacheslav Fetisov, D
22. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Jaromir Jagr, RW
23. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Guy Lafleur, RW

Note: Remember to always PM or @ the next team's GM.

Round 2:
24. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Alexander Ovechkin, W
25. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Chris Chelios, D
26. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Sergei Makarov, RW
27. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Stan Mikita, C
28. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Brad Park, D
29. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Bobby Clarke, C
30. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Frank Nighbor, C
31. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Brian Leetch, D
32. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Paul Coffey, D
33. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bryan Trottier, C
34. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Ted Lindsay, LW
35. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - King Clancy, D
36. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Jacques Plante, G
37. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Bill Cook, RW
38. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Joe Sakic, C
39. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Chris Pronger, D
40. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Phil Esposito, C
41. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Mike Bossy, RW
42. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Cyclone Taylor, C/D
43. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Al MacInnis, D
44. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Scott Stevens, D
45. tony d - California Golden Seals - Steve Yzerman, C
46. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Frank Boucher, C

Round 3:

47. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Charlie Conacher, RW
48. tony d - California Golden Seals - Sprague Cleghorn, D
49. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Zdeno Chara, D
50. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Pierre Pilote, D
51. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Martin Brodeur, G
52. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Earl Seibert, D
53. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Henri Richard, C
54. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Milt Schmidt, C
55. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Valeri Kharlamov, LW
56. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Peter Forsberg, C
57. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Tim Horton, D
58. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Glenn Hall, G
59. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Dit Clapper, D/RW
60. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ken Dryden, G
61. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Bernie Geoffrion, RW
62. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Jari Kurri, RW
63. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Terry Sawchuk, G
64. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Newsy Lalonde, C
65. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Syl Apps, C
66. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Borje Salming, D
67. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Ted Kennedy, C
68. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Bill Gadsby, D
69. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Eddie Gerard, D/LW

Round 4:

70. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Victor Hedman, D
71. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Anatoli Firsov, LW
72. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vladislav Tretiak, G
73. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Evgeni Malkin, C
74. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Duncan Keith, D
75. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Andy Bathgate, RW
76. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Cy Denneny, LW
77. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Drew Doughty, D
78. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Dickie Moore, LW
79. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Brett Hull, RW
80. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Serge Savard, D
81. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Elmer Lach, C
82. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Aurele Joliet, LW
83. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Sid Abel, C/LW
84. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Teemu Selanne, RW
85. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Boris Mikhalov, RW
86. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Erik Karlsson, D
87. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Mark Howe, D
88. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Nikita Kucherov, RW
89. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Jarome Iginla, RW
90. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Rob Blake, D
91. tony d - California Golden Seals - Sergei Fedorov, C
92. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Patrick Kane, RW

Round 5:

93. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Scott Niedermayer, D
94. tony d - California Golden Seals - Jack Stewart, D
95. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Pavel Bure, RW
96. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Rod Langway, D
97. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Guy Lapointe, D
98. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires- Toe Blake, LW
99. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Frank Mahovlich, LW
100. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Alex Delvecchio, LW/C
101. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Shea Weber, D
102. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Bill Quackenbush, D
103. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Marcel Pronovost, D
104. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Martin St. Louis, RW
105. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Frank Brimsek, G
106. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Georges Boucher, D
107. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Valeri Vasiliev, D
108. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Johnny Bucyk, LW
109. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Jacques Laperriere, D
110. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Georges Vezina, G
111. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Ivan Johnson, D
112. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Alexei Kasatonov, D
113. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vladimir Krutov, LW
114. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Ebbie Goodfellow, D/C
115. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Norm Ullman, C

Round 6:

116. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Alexander Maltsev, C/RW
117. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Marcel Dionne, C
118. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Doug Bentley, LW/C
119. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Tommy Phillips, LW
120. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Brad Marchand, LW
121. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Hod Stuart, D
122. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Moose Johnson, D
123. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bryan Hextall Sr, RW
124. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS- Joe Malone, C
125. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Brendan Shanahan, LW
126. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Harry Cameron, D
127. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Lionel Conacher, D
128. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Eric Lindros, C
129. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Charlie Gardiner, G
130. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Doug Gilmour, C
131. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - JC Tremblay, D
132. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Busher Jackson, LW
133. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Henrik Zetterberg, LW/C
134. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Sweeney Schriner, LW
135. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - John Leclair, LW
136. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Dave Keon, C
137. tony d - California Golden Seals - Syd Howe, LW/C
138. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Hooley Smith, C/RW

Round 7:

139. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Art Coulter, D
140. tony d - California Golden Seals - Turk Broda, G
141. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Patrice Bergeron, C
142. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Marian Hossa, RW
143. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Russell Bowie, C
144. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Ed Belfour, G
145. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Clint Benedict, G
146. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Bill Durnan, G
147. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Mark Recchi, RW
148. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Vladimir Martinec, RW
149. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Cam Neely, RW
150. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Bert Olmstead, LW
151. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Max Bentley, C
152. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Nathan Mackinnon, C
153. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Daniel Alfredsson, RW
154. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Emile Bouchard, D
155. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Babe Siebert, D/LW
156. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Paul Kariya, LW
157. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Pavel Datsyuk, C
158. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Rick Middleton, RW
159. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Jan Suchy, D
160. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Ron Francis, C
161. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Mike Modano, C

Round 8:

162. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Jonathan Toews, C
163. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Nels Stewart, C/LW
164. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Frantisek Pospisil, D
165. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Lanny McDonald, RW
166. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Bob Gainey, LW
167. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Sylvio Mantha, D
168. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Tom Johnson, D
169. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Patrik Elias, LW
170. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Larry Murphy, D
171. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Harry Howell, D
172. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Anze Kopitar, C
173. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Carl Brewer, D
174. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Bill White, D
175. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Baldy Northcott, LW
176. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Luc Robitaille, LW
177. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Bill Cowley, C
178. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Ken Reardon. D
179. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Frank Fredrickson, C
180. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Lester Patrick, D
181. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Michel Goulet, LW
182. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Alexander Yakushev, LW
183. tony d - California Golden Seals - Sergei Zubov, D
184. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Jamie Benn, LW

Round 9:

185. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Allan Stanley, D
186. tony d - California Golden Seals - Roy Conacher, LW
187. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Yvan Cournoyer, RW
188. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Rod Brind'amour, C/LW
189. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Paul Thompson, LW
190. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Brent Burns, D/RW
191. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Fern Flaman, D
192. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Frank Foyston, LW/C
193. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Alex Pietrangelo, D
194. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Peter Stastny, C
195. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Woody Dumart, LW
196. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Cecil Dillon, RW
197. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Frank McGee, C
198. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Scotty Bowman, coach
199. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Adam Oates, C
200. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Steven Stamkos, C/RW
201. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Bob Pulford, LW/C
202. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Reg Noble, LW/C
203. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Alf Smith, RW
204. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Cale Makar, D
205. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Al Arbour, Coach
206. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - George Armstrong, RW
207. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Jimmy Thomson, D

Round 10:

208. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Roman Josi, D
209. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Toe Blake, Coach
210. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vladimir Petrov, C
211. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Weldy Young, D
212. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Claude Provost, RW
213. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Doug Wilson, D
214. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Didier Pitre, RW/D
215. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bernie Parent, G
216. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Herb Gardiner, D
217. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Keith Tkachuk, LW
218. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Theoren Fleury, RW
219. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Jean Ratelle, C
220. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Babe Dye, RW
221. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Lester Patrick, Coach
222. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Vladimir Konstantinov, D
223. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Brad McCrimmon, D
224. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Rod Gilbert, RW
225. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Dany Heatley, W
226. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Harvey Pulford, D
227. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Johnny Bower, G
228. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Eric Desjardins, D
229. tony d - California Golden Seals - Steve Larmer, RW
230. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade - Joe Thornton, C

Round 11:

231. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Tommy Ivan, coach
232. tony d - California Golden Seals - Red Horner, D
233. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Bill Barber, LW
234. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Mats Sundin, C
235. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Marty Barry, C
236. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Jacques Lemaire, C
237. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Glen Sather, coach
238. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Helmuts Balderis, RW
239. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Tony Esposito, G
240. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Derian Hatcher, D
241. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Auston Matthews, C
242. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Lionel Hitchman, D
243. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - George Hay, LW
244. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Hap Day, D
245. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Hugh Lehman, G
246. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Jon Cooper, coach
247. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Punch Broadbent, RW
248. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Guy Carbonneau, C
249. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Jack Crawford, D
250. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Markus Naslund, LW
251. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Igor Larionov, C
252. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Corey Perry, RW
253. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Hap Day, Coach

Round 12:

254. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Andrei Vasilevskiy, G
255. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Jack Campbell, D
256. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Sergei Gonchar, D
257. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Cooney Weiland, C
258. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Mike Gartner, RW
259. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Fred Shero, coach
260. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Herbie Lewis, LW
261. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Art Ross, D
262. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Jere Lehtinen, RW/LW
263. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Rick Tocchet, RW
264. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Dave Taylor, RW
265. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Marty Pavelich, LW
266. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Pat Stapleton, D
267. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Jiri Holik, LW
268. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Ryan Getzlaf, C
269. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Anatoly Tarasov, coach
270. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Gordie Drillon, RW
271. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Mickey Mackay, C/RW
272. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Bernie Morris, RW/C
273. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Vladimir Lutchenko, D
274. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Billy Smith, G
275. tony d - California Golden Seals - Craig Ramsay, LW
276. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade - Gordon Roberts, RW

Round 13:

277. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Grant Fuhr, G
278. tony d - California Golden Seals - Tommy Gorman, coach
279. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Claude Giroux, C/LW
280. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Jack Walker, C/LW
281. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Tony Leswick, RW/LW
282. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires- Ryan Suter, D
283. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Duke Keats, C
284. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Johnny Gottselig, LW
285. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Ryan Kesler, C/RW
286. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Joe Simpson, D
287. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Dean Prentice, LW
288. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Vyacheslav Starshinov, C
289. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Alex Ragulin, D
290. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darryl Sittler, C
291. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Pete Green, coach
292. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Nicklas Backstrom, C
293. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Don Marshall, LW/C
294. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Glenn Anderson, RW
295. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Jeremy Roenick, C
296. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Ace Bailey, RW
297. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles
298. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias
299. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks

Round 14:

300. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
301. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias
302. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles
303. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals
304. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons
305. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal
306. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters
307. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers
308. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS
309. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
310. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal
311. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades
312. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires
313. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons
314. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas
315. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers
316. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion
317. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires
318. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC
319. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs
320. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds
321. tony d - California Golden Seals
322. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade

Round 15:

323. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas -
324. tony d - California Golden Seals -
325. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds -
326. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs -
327. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC -
328. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires-
329. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion -
330. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers -
331. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas -
332. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons -
333. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires -
334. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades -
335. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal -
336. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs -
337. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS -
338. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers -
339. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters -
340. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal
341. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons
342. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals
343. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles
344. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias
345. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks

Round 16:

346. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
347. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias
348. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles
349. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals
350. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons
351. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal
352. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters
353. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers
354. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS
355. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
356. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal
357. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades
358. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires
359. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons
360. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas
361. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers
362. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion
363. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires
364. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC
365. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs
366. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds
367. tony d - California Golden Seals
368. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade

Round 17:

369. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas -
370. tony d - California Golden Seals -
371. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds -
372. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs -
373. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC -
374. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires-
375. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion -
376. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers -
377. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas -
378. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons -
379. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires -
380. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades -
381. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal -
382. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs -
383. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS -
384. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers -
385. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters -
386. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal
387. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons
388. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals
389. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles
390. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias
391. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks

Round 18:

392. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
393. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias
394. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles
395. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals
396. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons
397. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal
398. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters
399. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers
400. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS
401. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
402. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal
403. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades
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406. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas
407. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers
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410. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC
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412. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds
413. tony d - California Golden Seals
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[BraveCanadian]

That feels like a reach.. obviously he’s gonna get there but..

 

[VanIslander]

A 5-year career in this era basically is a rookie in an ATD context, but one capable of spurts of greatness. The history of hockey has some rookies excelling, so as long as he isn't a core player, say, on the third pairing and 2nd special teams units, then it's a realistic player to pick. If he had to retire today, he wouldn't be a HHOFer but he would be respected.

 

[jigglysquishy]

It's a reach, but I wanted him. I think he had the clear highest peak of any undrafted defenseman. And there has been a lot of modern players getting drafted recently with most at all time high positions.

I didn't want to risk someone taking him, especially with me having another pick soon. Alf Smith got sniped from me too.

 

[overpass]

I came across a mention of Alf Smith as a pioneer of Ottawa's passing system, starting from his junior days, in "Old Scores, New Goals." I thought it was interesting. Not sure if this came out in the pre-consolidation project.

During their first winter the Electrics won challenge games against both local and outside teams, including Perth and Carleton Place. In the winter of 1893-94 they joined the Ottawa City League and won the championship without losing a single game. The following winter the Electrics advanced by joining the Junior Amateur Hockey Association, then comprised of Montreal Hawthornes, Victoria Juniors of Montreal, Ottawa Juniors, and Montreal Maple Leafs. With Alf Smith on right wing they went on to become champions of the City League and champions of the Junior Amateur Hockey Association. Alf Smith turned pro with the Ottawa Senators and was with them for two Stanley Cups.

The Electrics played most of their games at Dey's Arena on Laurier. It is said that they virtually revolutionized hockey with a passing system which they developed to a new art and which Alf Smith continued on Silver Seven Stanley Cup teams when he played right wing with the great scorer Frank McGee at center.

 

[Habsfan18]

I mean, Makar is certainly a ballsy pick. I can always respect the big swings even if they don’t always pay off.

At his best, he’s clearly “better” than many of the selections that typically go in this range..but in an ATD context this is still a player who hasn’t even reached 300 regular season games yet. So that’s a bit tough to get past. Maybe it’s an unwritten rule, but I’ve always considered that a player should probably have at least 500 regular season games played to be considered for the ATD. But from a pure ability standpoint he obviously belongs.

I suppose I don’t have a big problem with it as long as he’s sheltered a bit, maybe on a 3rd pairing with a defensively responsible partner.

Edit: Then again, Van and I chose McDavid back in 2020 and he wouldn’t have been at 500 yet. I remember we took a ton of shit for the pick.

 

[BraveCanadian]

It's a reach, but I wanted him. I think he had the clear highest peak of any undrafted defenseman. And there has been a lot of modern players getting drafted recently with most at all time high positions.

I didn't want to risk someone taking him, especially with me having another pick soon. Alf Smith got sniped from me too.

Oh he's on a clear path straight to the hall of fame.. but despite his great start he doesn't have a lot of meat on the resume for here.. but maybe others will see it differently!

 

[rmartin65]

I came across a mention of Alf Smith as a pioneer of Ottawa's passing system, starting from his junior days, in "Old Scores, New Goals." I thought it was interesting. Not sure if this came out in the pre-consolidation project.

I don’t believe it did, thanks for sharing! It certainly meshes nicely with how we understand his game now.

 

[VanIslander]

Too bad assists weren't recorded much back then. Not even in the NHL early days until the 1930s were they diligently noted.

But I have read somewhere long ago that Alf Smith was talented at passing as well as being the nastiest jerk when dirty play broke out. He was a leader in scuffles.

 

[MVP of West Hollywd]

I'm ok with Makar because he's actually proven on a playoff run. The young guys I'd be nervous about taking are ones that have just put up stats but haven't really proven they have their sea legs against the physical playoff competition.

 

[VanIslander]

One great postseason in an ATDers career is not proven performance at ATD-level competition. But it promises at least flashes of greatness.

 

[Boreal01]

It's a reach, but I wanted him. I think he had the clear highest peak of any undrafted defenseman. And there has been a lot of modern players getting drafted recently with most at all time high positions.

I didn't want to risk someone taking him, especially with me having another pick soon. Alf Smith got sniped from me too.

I must admit that I was skeptical he'd be passed up by you or @rmartin65 on four separate occasions after you had each been championing him (with good reason) in the pre-consolidation project

Neely also came off the board slightly ahead of schedule which further solidified the urgency of taking him here

 

[rmartin65]

I must admit that I was skeptical he'd be passed up by you or @rmartin65 on four separate occasions after you had each been championing him (with good reason) in the pre-consolidation project

Neely also came off the board slightly ahead of schedule which further solidified the urgency of taking him here

He wouldn’t have; we were taking him if he was there.

 

[jigglysquishy]

I know you guys plan picks rounds in advance, but it just breaks my heart.

I had Smith eyed up for this pick a couple rounds ago. And I knew @rmartin65 would take him if I didn't this round.

But he got nabbed.

He was a great pick for me in the pre merger project.

 

[tinyzombies]

WTH is all this Alf talk as if I didn’t just draft Noble? Feelings hurt.

 

[Claude The Fraud]

The Cap Breton Eagles would like to welcome, from Sudbury, Ontario, quadruple Stanley Cup winner and ‘79 Jack Adams winner, Al Arbour.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Changing our draft plans again

We're happy to select George Armstrong, RW the perfect kind of player to fit in with the group of forwards we've accumulated so far. Brings a toughness and defense conscience to our incredibly offensively talented bunch, he will also wear the C for the Victorias this season joining Ebbie Goodfellow and Chris Chelios.

 

[ResilientBeast]

WTH is all this Alf talk as if I didn’t just draft Noble? Feelings hurt.

I'm shocked Noble didn't fall at all the HOH project really didn't do him any favours

 

[tinyzombies]

I'm shocked Noble didn't fall at all the HOH project really didn't do him any favours

I’ll stick with zmorenz’s opinion ..

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

A big sigh of relief from the Chicago front office, as the pickings were getting pretty slim among Dmen. We're very happy to see two guys available that will not only make a great pairing chemistry wise, but who we think are on the same level as many of the Dmen taken this round and even last round.


From 1947-51 the Leafs won 4 Cups in 5 seasons. This guy was their best defenseman over that time period, a physical but clean stay at home defender who also was described as a fine passer who helped his team's transition game and even played on the PP (although he won't for us).
Chicago is very happy to select, Jimmy Thomson, D


As many of you probably know, Thomson was regularly paired with an offensive rushing defenseman, and they became known as the Gold Dust Twins. We're going to give Thomson an upgrade in that department by selecting a guy who fittingly has donned a gold sweater for his entire career. He's one of the best offensive Dmen of his generation leading his team in scoring each of the last 4 seasons, a 1x Norris winner who just missed a 2nd Norris by less than 2% of the vote to wunderkind Cale Makar. He also had two more 5th place Norris finishes earlier in his career despite likely being hurt by vote splitting with his teammate Shea Weber.
Chicago selects Roman Josi, D

 

[rmartin65]

Having picks so close together is generally beneficial in a no-trade draft; however, it does leave the team susceptible to runs on a particular position. Seeing as two coaches have already been selected, the Montreal Victorias are going to get on the leading edge of this run and are proud to select

Toe Blake, coach

@Claude The Fraud is back on the clock

 

[BenchBrawl]

Toe Blake is kind of a strange choice for a Marcel Dionne team. I can't think of a single center he ever coached that wasn't solid defensively.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Toe Blake is kind of a strange choice for a Marcel Dionne team. I can't think of a single center he ever coached that wasn't solid defensively.

It's weird how you want to call us a "Marcel Dionne" team he's maybe our 4th most important forward.

Regardless I think it's a bit reductionist to view coaching this way. Blake wasn't known to be a tactician he was an amazing leader who inspired his players to buy in and play for the good of the team.

From @Leaf Lander 2011 bio

Toe Blake was no tactician. During the past five years when I interviewed many former Habs players who played for Toe Blake, when asked what Blake’s offensive tactics were, they all recited the same sentence: advance the puck, hit the open man, and converge on the net. Simply put: a mere continuation of the tactics hone by XXX

Blake’s magic came from his leadership style which over the course of time took on a mystical, spiritual patina that would culminate in his apotheosis in the hearts and minds of Montreal Canadiens fans.

Toe led his players with an intricately balanced mixture of strength, subtlety, intensity, silence, anger, passion, and occasional humor. In return his players give him their collective hearts, minds, souls, bodies, blood, toil, tears, and sweat.

For a non-tactic specific coach, the structure of the team doesn't need to line up 100% with the pieces he had in real life.

 

[BenchBrawl]

It's weird how you want to call us a "Marcel Dionne" team he's maybe our 4th most important forward.

Regardless I think it's a bit reductionist to view coaching this way. Blake wasn't known to be a tactician he was an amazing leader who inspired his players to buy in and play for the good of the team.

From @Leaf Lander 2011 bio



For a non-tactic specific coach, the structure of the team doesn't need to line up 100% with the pieces he had in real life.

No match is perfect, but this is pretty flagrant.

Toe Blake never:

1) Coached a poor defensive center (Dionne)
2) Coached a lineup led by a play-controlling winger (Jagr)

For (1), Blake always had the Béliveau/Henri combo at his disposition, with strong two-way 3C's to support them.

Maybe Dickie Moore satisfies (2) but that's a stretch given he played on Henri Richard's line, a very puck dominant center, and that Moore was just one of many among the forwards, with the big star being Béliveau.

Those are not random 3rd liners on your team, but the heart of your offense.

Can Toe Blake do it? I'm sure he can. Is he a great fit? I don't see it.

 

[The Macho King]

No match is perfect, but this is pretty flagrant.

Toe Blake never:

1) Coached a poor defensive center (Dionne)
2) Coached a lineup led by a play-controlling winger (Jagr)

For (1), Blake always had the Béliveau/Henri combo at his disposition, with strong two-way 3C's to support them.

Maybe Dickie Moore satisfies (2) but that's a stretch given he played on Henri Richard's line, a very puck dominant center, and that Moore was just one of many among the forwards, with the big star being Béliveau.

Those are not random 3rd liners on your team, but the heart of your offense.

Can Toe Blake do it? I'm sure he can. Is he a great fit? I don't see it.

This is kind of cheating but Blake should at least had latter day Richard as a player and obviously played with him for a bit too. It's not the exact type of vibe as with a guy like Jagr, but I also think most coaches in general are smart enough to give talents like that - that don't fit into your typical mode - the rope they need to create.

That's a long way of saying I'm less worried about coaches with great talents than how the other parts of the team will fit together. Like Scotty Bowman was smart enough to let Mario be Mario even if he's probably the most anti-Scotty player I can think of.

 

[ResilientBeast]

No match is perfect, but this is pretty flagrant.

Toe Blake never:

1) Coached a poor defensive center (Dionne)
2) Coached a lineup led by a play-controlling winger (Jagr)

For (1), Blake always had the Béliveau/Henri combo at his disposition, with strong two-way 3C's to support them.

Maybe Dickie Moore satisfies (2) but that's a stretch given he played on Henri Richard's line, a very puck dominant center, and that Moore was just one of many among the forwards, with the big star being Béliveau.

Those are not random 3rd liners on your team, but the heart of your offense.

Can Toe Blake do it? I'm sure he can. Is he a great fit? I don't see it.

Again you're focusing on the wrong parts for whatever reason for this Marcel Dionne Team (tm)

We are in no way trying to sell our team as the same as the 50s/60s Habs in terms of construction which is what you seem to suggest is necessary for a specific coach. Which for a non-tactic specific coach is really not necessary. There are plenty of other coaches who will be picked who are much more demanding stylistically in terms of roster construction.

It's weird how you focus on Dionne's defensive play. Based on what I've seen it's unlikely Dionne was bad defensively for his time. Does that suddenly make him average in an ATD for a scoring line center? Probably not but it's strange how you're so fixated on Dionne especially since we also have Nels Stewart.

If you actually read what I posted, it really doesn't seem like having our puck dominant wingers will be an issue just because the dynasty Habs weren't structured that way. It's not like Blake's specific style of coaching necessitated that.