ATD 2024 Draft Thread

[VanIslander]

ATD 2024: The 20th Anniversary Edition

The all-time draft is a what-if scenario, the counterfactual reasoning tool of the academic discipline of History. The greatest players of all time, from the amateur era to the NHL to the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, Sweden, WHA, etc are drafted BASED on their whole career. No peak vs. career; instead, peak and career, all considerations. A player who was injury prone will be no less so in an all-time competition.

GMs are encouraged to provide bio info like stats, quotes and/or comments when at the podium to announce their picks.

(NO MENTIONING UNDRAFTED PLAYERS! Except Wade Belak. )

Note for new GMs:
Active players today in the 2023-2024 season are judged BASED on their career to date, meaning no projections of what he will do in the future, but instead: Imagine they suffered a freak career-ending accident the day you draft them.

The draft clock will begin Monday, February 5th at noon Eastern. The 1st round clock will be 24 hours long, dropping to 12 hours for round 2.

2). Time Limits.

24 hrs for round 1
12 for round 2
10 for rounds 3-10
8 for 11-14
6 for 15-20
4 for rest.

There will be 24 rounds, with 18 starting skaters, 2 goalies, a coach and three others for the bench. After the draft there will be votes tallied by an ex-ATDer or mod and a regular season standings list resulting. Then playoff match-ups.

Time Deductions
Voight -2 hour

Round 1:

1. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Bobby Orr, D
2. tony d - California Golden Seals - Gordie Howe, RW
3. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Wayne Gretzky, C
4. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Mario Lemieux, C
5. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Doug Harvey, D
6. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires- Jean Beliveau, C
7. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Raymond Bourque, D
8. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Nicklas Lidstrom, D
9. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Denis Potvin, D
10. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Eddie Shore, D
11. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Sidney Crosby, C
12. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Bobby Hull, LW
13. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Maurice Richard, RW
14. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Red Kelly, D/C
15. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Howie Morenz, C
16. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Connor McDavid, C
17. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Mark Messier, C
18. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Larry Robinson, D
19. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Dominik Hasek, G
20. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Patrick Roy, G
21. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Viacheslav Fetisov, D
22. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Jaromir Jagr, RW
23. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Guy Lafleur, RW

Note: Remember to always PM or @ the next team's GM.

Round 2:
24. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Alexander Ovechkin, W
25. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Chris Chelios, D
26. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Sergei Makarov, RW
27. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Stan Mikita, C
28. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Brad Park, D
29. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Bobby Clarke, C
30. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Frank Nighbor, C
31. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Brian Leetch, D
32. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Paul Coffey, D
33. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bryan Trottier, C
34. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Ted Lindsay, LW
35. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - King Clancy, D
36. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Jacques Plante, G
37. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Bill Cook, RW
38. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Joe Sakic, C
39. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Chris Pronger, D
40. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Phil Esposito, C
41. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Mike Bossy, RW
42. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Cyclone Taylor, C/D
43. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Al MacInnis, D
44. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Scott Stevens, D
45. tony d - California Golden Seals - Steve Yzerman, C
46. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Frank Boucher, C

Round 3:

47. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Charlie Conacher, RW
48. tony d - California Golden Seals - Sprague Cleghorn, D
49. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Zdeno Chara, D
50. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Pierre Pilote, D
51. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Martin Brodeur, G
52. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Earl Seibert, D
53. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Henri Richard, C
54. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Milt Schmidt, C
55. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Valeri Kharlamov, LW
56. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Peter Forsberg, C
57. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Tim Horton, D
58. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Glenn Hall, G
59. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Dit Clapper, D/RW
60. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ken Dryden, G
61. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Bernie Geoffrion, RW
62. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Jari Kurri, RW
63. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Terry Sawchuk, G
64. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Newsy Lalonde, C
65. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Syl Apps, C
66. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Borje Salming, D
67. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Ted Kennedy, C
68. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Bill Gadsby, D
69. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Eddie Gerard, D/LW

Round 4:

70. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Victor Hedman, D
71. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Anatoli Firsov, LW
72. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vladislav Tretiak, G
73. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Evgeni Malkin, C
74. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Duncan Keith, D
75. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Andy Bathgate, RW
76. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Cy Denneny, LW
77. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Drew Doughty, D
78. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Dickie Moore, LW
79. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Brett Hull, RW
80. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Serge Savard, D
81. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Elmer Lach, C
82. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Aurele Joliet, LW
83. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Sid Abel, C/LW
84. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Teemu Selanne, RW
85. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Boris Mikhalov, RW
86. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Erik Karlsson, D
87. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Mark Howe, D
88. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Nikita Kucherov, RW
89. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Jarome Iginla, RW
90. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Rob Blake, D
91. tony d - California Golden Seals - Sergei Fedorov, C
92. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Patrick Kane, RW

Round 5:

93. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Scott Niedermayer, D
94. tony d - California Golden Seals - Jack Stewart, D
95. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Pavel Bure, RW
96. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Rod Langway, D
97. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Guy Lapointe, D
98. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires- Toe Blake, LW
99. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Frank Mahovlich, LW
100. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Alex Delvecchio, LW/C
101. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Shea Weber, D
102. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Bill Quackenbush, D
103. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Marcel Pronovost, D
104. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Martin St. Louis, RW
105. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Frank Brimsek, G
106. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Georges Boucher, D
107. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Valeri Vasiliev, D
108. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Johnny Bucyk, LW
109. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Jacques Laperriere, D
110. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Georges Vezina, G
111. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Ivan Johnson, D
112. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Alexei Kasatonov, D
113. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vladimir Krutov, LW
114. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Ebbie Goodfellow, D/C
115. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Norm Ullman, C

Round 6:

116. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Alexander Maltsev, C/RW
117. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Marcel Dionne, C
118. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Doug Bentley, LW/C
119. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Tommy Phillips, LW
120. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Brad Marchand, LW
121. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Hod Stuart, D
122. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Moose Johnson, D
123. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bryan Hextall Sr, RW
124. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS- Joe Malone, C
125. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Brendan Shanahan, LW
126. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Harry Cameron, D
127. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Lionel Conacher, D
128. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Eric Lindros, C
129. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Charlie Gardiner, G
130. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Doug Gilmour, C
131. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - JC Tremblay, D
132. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Busher Jackson, LW
133. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Henrik Zetterberg, LW/C
134. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Sweeney Schriner, LW
135. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - John Leclair, LW
136. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Dave Keon, C
137. tony d - California Golden Seals - Syd Howe, LW/C
138. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Hooley Smith, C/RW

Round 7:

139. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Art Coulter, D
140. tony d - California Golden Seals - Turk Broda, G
141. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Patrice Bergeron, C
142. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Marian Hossa, RW
143. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Russell Bowie, C
144. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Ed Belfour, G
145. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Clint Benedict, G
146. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Bill Durnan, G
147. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Mark Recchi, RW
148. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Vladimir Martinec, RW
149. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Cam Neely, RW
150. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Bert Olmstead, LW
151. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Max Bentley, C
152. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Nathan Mackinnon, C
153. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Daniel Alfredsson, RW
154. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Emile Bouchard, D
155. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Babe Siebert, D/LW
156. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Paul Kariya, LW
157. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Pavel Datsyuk, C
158. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Rick Middleton, RW
159. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Jan Suchy, D
160. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Ron Francis, C
161. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Mike Modano, C

Round 8:

162. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Jonathan Toews, C
163. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Nels Stewart, C/LW
164. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Frantisek Pospisil, D
165. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Lanny McDonald, RW
166. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Bob Gainey, LW
167. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Sylvio Mantha, D
168. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Tom Johnson, D
169. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Patrik Elias, LW
170. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Larry Murphy, D
171. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Harry Howell, D
172. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Anze Kopitar, C
173. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Carl Brewer, D
174. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Bill White, D
175. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Baldy Northcott, LW
176. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Luc Robitaille, LW
177. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Bill Cowley, C
178. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Ken Reardon. D
179. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Frank Fredrickson, C
180. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Lester Patrick, D
181. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Michel Goulet, LW
182. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Alexander Yakushev, LW
183. tony d - California Golden Seals - Sergei Zubov, D
184. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Jamie Benn, LW

Round 9:

185. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Allan Stanley, D
186. tony d - California Golden Seals - Roy Conacher, LW
187. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Yvan Cournoyer, RW
188. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Rod Brind'amour, C/LW
189. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Paul Thompson, LW
190. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Brent Burns, D/RW
191. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Fern Flaman, D
192. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Frank Foyston, LW/C
193. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Alex Pietrangelo, D
194. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Peter Stastny, C
195. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Woody Dumart, LW
196. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Cecil Dillon, RW
197. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Frank McGee, C
198. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Scotty Bowman, coach
199. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Adam Oates, C
200. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Steven Stamkos, C/RW
201. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Bob Pulford, LW/C
202. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Reg Noble, LW/C
203. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Alf Smith, RW
204. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Cale Makar, D
205. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Al Arbour, Coach
206. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - George Armstrong, RW
207. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Jimmy Thomson, D

Round 10:

208. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Roman Josi, D
209. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Toe Blake, Coach
210. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vladimir Petrov, C
211. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Weldy Young, D
212. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Claude Provost, RW
213. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Doug Wilson, D
214. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Didier Pitre, RW/D
215. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bernie Parent, G
216. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Herb Gardiner, D
217. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Keith Tkachuk, LW
218. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Theoren Fleury, RW
219. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Jean Ratelle, C
220. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Babe Dye, RW
221. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Lester Patrick, Coach
222. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Vladimir Konstantinov, D
223. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Brad McCrimmon, D
224. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Rod Gilbert, RW
225. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Dany Heatley, W
226. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Harvey Pulford, D
227. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Johnny Bower, G
228. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Eric Desjardins, D
229. tony d - California Golden Seals - Steve Larmer, RW
230. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade - Joe Thornton, C

Round 11:

231. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Tommy Ivan, coach
232. tony d - California Golden Seals - Red Horner, D
233. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Bill Barber, LW
234. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Mats Sundin, C
235. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Marty Barry, C
236. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Jacques Lemaire, C
237. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Glen Sather, coach
238. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Helmuts Balderis, RW
239. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Tony Esposito, G
240. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Derian Hatcher, D
241. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Auston Matthews, C
242. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Lionel Hitchman, D
243. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - George Hay, LW
244. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Hap Day, D
245. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Hugh Lehman, G
246. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Jon Cooper, coach
247. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Punch Broadbent, RW
248. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Guy Carbonneau, C
249. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Jack Crawford, D
250. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Markus Naslund, LW
251. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Igor Larionov, C
252. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Corey Perry, RW
253. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Hap Day, Coach

Round 12:

254. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Andrei Vasilevskiy, G
255. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Jack Campbell, D
256. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Sergei Gonchar, D
257. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Cooney Weiland, C
258. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Mike Gartner, RW
259. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Fred Shero, coach
260. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Herbie Lewis, LW
261. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Art Ross, D
262. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Jere Lehtinen, RW/LW
263. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Rick Tocchet, RW
264. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Dave Taylor, RW
265. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Marty Pavelich, LW
266. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Pat Stapleton, D
267. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Jiri Holik, LW
268. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Ryan Getzlaf, C
269. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Anatoly Tarasov, coach
270. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Gordie Drillon, RW
271. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Mickey Mackay, C/RW
272. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Bernie Morris, RW/C
273. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Vladimir Lutchenko, D
274. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Billy Smith, G
275. tony d - California Golden Seals - Craig Ramsay, LW
276. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade - Gordon Roberts, RW

Round 13:

277. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Grant Fuhr, G
278. tony d - California Golden Seals - Tommy Gorman, coach
279. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Claude Giroux, C/LW
280. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Jack Walker, C/LW
281. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Tony Leswick, RW/LW
282. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires- Ryan Suter, D
283. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Duke Keats, C
284. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Johnny Gottselig, LW
285. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Ryan Kesler, C/RW
286. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Joe Simpson, D
287. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Dean Prentice, LW
288. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Vyacheslav Starshinov, C
289. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Alex Ragulin, D
290. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darryl Sittler, C
291. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Pete Green, coach
292. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Nicklas Backstrom, C
293. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Don Marshall, LW/C
294. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Glenn Anderson, RW
295. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Jeremy Roenick, C
296. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Ace Bailey, RW
297. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles
298. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias
299. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks

Round 14:

300. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
301. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias
302. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles
303. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals
304. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons
305. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal
306. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters
307. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers
308. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS
309. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
310. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal
311. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades
312. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires
313. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons
314. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas
315. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers
316. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion
317. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires
318. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC
319. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs
320. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds
321. tony d - California Golden Seals
322. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade

Round 15:

323. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas -
324. tony d - California Golden Seals -
325. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds -
326. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs -
327. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC -
328. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires-
329. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion -
330. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers -
331. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas -
332. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons -
333. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires -
334. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades -
335. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal -
336. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs -
337. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS -
338. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers -
339. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters -
340. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal
341. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons
342. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals
343. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles
344. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias
345. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks

Round 16:

346. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
347. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias
348. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles
349. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals
350. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons
351. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal
352. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters
353. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers
354. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS
355. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
356. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal
357. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades
358. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires
359. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons
360. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas
361. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers
362. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion
363. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires
364. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC
365. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs
366. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds
367. tony d - California Golden Seals
368. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade

Round 17:

369. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas -
370. tony d - California Golden Seals -
371. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds -
372. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs -
373. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC -
374. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires-
375. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion -
376. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers -
377. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas -
378. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons -
379. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires -
380. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades -
381. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal -
382. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs -
383. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS -
384. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers -
385. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters -
386. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal
387. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons
388. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals
389. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles
390. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias
391. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks

Round 18:

392. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
393. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias
394. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles
395. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals
396. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons
397. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal
398. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters
399. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers
400. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS
401. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
402. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal
403. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades
404. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires
405. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons
406. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas
407. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers
408. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion
409. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires
410. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC
411. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs
412. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds
413. tony d - California Golden Seals
414. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade

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[Chet Donnelly]

Toews was almost certainly superior to Bergeron offensively, but superior to Kopitar I'm not so sure.

 

[Claude The Fraud]

While it may be overthinking it to not just take Passiosaurus Rex or his close biological cousin Jumbo Passiosaurus Rex in one of last two rounds and putting him with Iginla and/or Goulet, this guy gives me too much of what I want as one of my centers behind Lemieux, multiple Selke winner, faceoff ace and a good candidate for captain. The Drumheller Dinosaurs take Rod Brind'amour

This dinosaur is ripped as Brind'amour.

 

[Johnny Engine]

We're going to take a left winger who's good at just about everything, with some speed to boot.
After getting out from behind the bread line on a relatively stacked Rangers team, he led the offense on a defense-first Chicago team while getting a lot of praise for his overall game.

Here's Paul Thompson!

 

[spitsfan24]

The Windsor Spitfires are proud to select a guy that can go toe-to-toe with any man in a beard growing contest, Brent Burns.

Thankfully, he's pretty good at hockey too. Winner of the 2017 Norris Trophy, Burns brings a high level of two-way play to Windsor.

Will PM next.

 

[Chet Donnelly]

With the 191st overall pick in the 2024 ATD, Emerald Flowsion are pleased to select...

D Fern Flaman!

 

[Hockey Stathead]

Detroit selects Frank Foyston, LW/C

 

[Chet Donnelly]

Four picks in the last 20 minutes. We're on a roll!

 

[BenchBrawl]

With the 191st overall pick in the 2024 ATD, Emerald Flowsion are pleased to select...

D Fern Flaman!

Detroit selects Frank Foyston, LW/C

Love these FF savages.

 

[Leaf Lander]

Who is on the clock?

 

[Professor What]

Who is on the clock?

Voight

 

[VanIslander]

193. @Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - ON THE CLOCK (5 hours remaining)

194. @nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - on deck
195. @Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - on deck soon

 

[BraveCanadian]

We're going to take a left winger who's good at just about everything, with some speed to boot.
After getting out from behind the bread line on a relatively stacked Rangers team, he led the offense on a defense-first Chicago team while getting a lot of praise for his overall game.

Here's Paul Thompson!

Had a hard time deciding between Thompson and Elias but I don’t think I’ve had Elias before so I went that route.

 

[Voight]

Lone Star will select Defenseman #27 Alex Pietrangelo

 

[nabby12]

Winnipeg selects Peter Stastny, C.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

Sydney selects Woody Dumart, LW

 

[VanIslander]

196. @The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - ON THE CLOCK
197. @BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - on deck
198. @Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - on deck soon

The op picks are now updated (10 picks in a day is pretty fast!) and IE's work extending pick order through round 18 added.

 

[tony d]

Probably doesn’t matter but there are 2 216s listed in round 10

 

[VanIslander]

Probably doesn’t matter but there are 2 216s listed in round 10

@ImporterExporter or I will fix that before too long.

 

[Professor What]

@ImporterExporter or I will fix that before too long.

I took a look and saw that 229 was skipped. So it only affects a few picks.

 

[VanIslander]

Thanks. That will be fixed as well.

 

[The Macho King]

Cecil Dillon, RW

 

[BenchBrawl]

Les Canadiens select another rising early-era superstar, Frank McGee, C

Here's @rmartin65's post from the Pre-Merger Project covering the case for Frank McGee:

Frank McGee

A Case for Frank McGee​

This post will focus on the positives for Frank McGee, as there really is only one negative to his legacy- his short career, which lasted only 45 games over 4 years. He also missed a game or two per season (some due to injury; he missed time in his last season because he had initially stopped playing), and his team actually withdrew from the CAHL in 1904 after half the season (4 out of 8 games; all of which they had won), both of which harm not only his raw point totals but also things like his VsX equivalent score (see the post from seventies up-thread). However, there is no doubt in my mind, having read the game summaries, comments made by his contemporaries after his career, and the all star teams we’ve come across, that Frank McGee deserves his reputation as one of the greatest players in the world during his career.

Spoiler

For starters, let’s look at his history of winning:

Frank McGee made his debut in Senior hockey in 1903. Ottawa HC had previously had a good team (finishing second in the CAHL in 1902 and first (though no Stanley Cup) in 1901), but the addition of McGee immediately made them the preeminent team of the time, as Ottawa won or defended the Stanley Cup in all 4 years of his career (though they also did lose it against the Wanderers in the last games of his career). After his retirement, Ottawa would not win the Cup in the following two seasons. His play in these SC challenge games was exemplary, though, in fairness, we all know that his scoring stats were inflated by playing some rather poor teams.

Secondly, let’s discuss his scoring a bit:
As previously mentioned, McGee definitely looks worse offensively than his legend would lead us to believe- he only led a league in scoring once, and that was the FAHL in 1905. However, if my reconstructed stats are correct, he also tied Bowie for raw point totals in the 1903 CAHL season (both had 23 points, Bowie had six more goals, while I was able to find more assists* for McGee). Also as previously mentioned, per game numbers give a better indication of McGee’s ability due to the reasons mentioned earlier. In 1903 McGee only played 6 of the 8 regular season games. In 1904 McGee only played 4 of the 8 scheduled games due to Ottawa leaving the league. In 1905 McGee again only played 6 of the 8 league games. In 1906 McGee played 7 of the 10 regular season games. In light of this, I think it is clear that McGee was very much a dominant offensive force when he played.

*These assist totals should definitely be taken with some doubt, as they are very much dependent on the whim of the newspaper reporters. I also haven’t checked, but my gut tells me that, especially in the late 1890s and early 1900s, the Ottawa players have a disproportionate number of assists.

Third- McGee was much more than just the scorer that history has reminded him as. Here are a selection of quotes from game summaries alluding to more than just his scoring abilities (all quotes are from CAHL/ECAHA games, as I haven’t transcribed the playoff games yet)-

“It was McGee’s first appearance as a senior hockeyist, and he showed that he was qualified to stay with the best of the kind, and finished strong. Frank was at centre, and he invariably got the better of the face off. He followed up fast* and was always in the vicinity of the puck. He and Gilmour and Westwick played into each others’ hands consistently. There was no selfishness, and the score was accordingly of generous proportions.”

“ Frank McGee at centre was as usual reliable and always where he was needed. It is grand to see the way McGee gets down on the opponent’s goals when the puck goes that way.”

“The ice was sloppy and the Ottawa players, with the exception of Frank McGee, did not exert themselves. McGee was the most aggressive player on the ice”

“But all of this was spoiled by McGee, of the Ottawas, who raced down the ice just as time was up and won the game for his team. McGee did this sort of thing so often during the evening that a good many people were asking what was the matter with McGee. The universal reply was much in his favor. In fact, he gave a splendid exhibition of dashing forward play that any club might be proud of”

“Frank McGee was certainly the man of the night. He fooled even that cute player Bowie and got in time after time on the net”

“McGee is certainly a star always on the puck and always where he is needed for effective play”

“McGee played an excellent game and always manages to secure a position where he would be of the most service”

“Frank McGee suffered much punishment and came in for lots of it. But he was always on his man and always in his position, and Frank McGee in his position is a dangerous opponent to any team”

“The Victorias on Saturday certainly lost any reputation they ever had for being clean players. They started in to punish the Ottawa forward line at the very first and kept it up to the end. Frank McGee was the centre of their attacks, but the game little player never stopped for a minute. He was pounded, tripped, punched, cross-checked and bodied, but no give up, not for him, and anybody who knows Frank knows that he can give about as much punishment as he receives”

“McGee was the player who was closely watched by the Vics and by the spectators who kept yelling ‘Watch McGee!’ Watch McGee!’ Frank was watched and hammered by plugged away with indomitable pluck”

“McGee is certainly a wonder, and the way he rushes in to block the point or cover point’s lift is beautiful”

“Frank McGee has earned for himself the title of ‘Cresceus’. The way he puts his head down and goes into block long lifts makes the most of them wonder”

“When Frank [McGee] checks he checks to win”

“Frank McGee did the most work but everyone has fallen into the habit of looking to Frank to do that and his splendid playing was accepted as quite an ordinary occurrence. It was his trick to follow up fast, block the puck when lifted by a Vic defence man and try a shot or pass to Billy ilmour, who was always close behind him. McGee seemed indefatigable and was going just as fast towards the end of the game as in the beginning. He played Bert Strachan off his feet and invariably got the better of the face-off”

“while the combination work of F. McGee, Westwick and Smith was simply marvellous”

“Frank McGee was very fast and gave Bellingham very little time for lifting”

“Frank McGee and Westwick covered a tremendous amount of territory”

“Sheriff and Marks were in the running all the time too, but McGee and Smith rather kept them under cover”

“Bowie was under close surveillance from McGee, Westwick and Pulford and this told on the work of the Vic captain. Two or three pounced him every time he move, and checked so closely he was powerless to direct the Vic attack in his old time style”

*”following up”, as far as I understand it, is something like forechecking. In the era where defencemen still lifted the puck, the forwards had to follow up and pressure the other team’s defenders to try and regain control of the puck. There are lots of descriptions of forwards taking pucks to the face while attempting to block lifts- it was not for the faint of heart.

Finally, McGee’s reputation among his contemporaries is equaled by few others. Several years before his appearance in Senior hockey, McGee was being mentioned by Ottawa papers as someone who would help the Senior team. In 1899 (McGee would have been 16, I believe) one wrote “Frank McGee should be playing on the Ottawa forward line. He is putting up senior hockey” and “Frank McGee would be an acquisition to the forward line”, and in 1900 “Frank McGee would strengthen the Ottawas line”.

Some Rat Portage players were there to watch an Ottawa HC game in 1903. The goalie, Dulmade, reportedly claimed either ‘McGee is the only man on the Ottawa team we are afraid of’ or ‘I have carefully watched the Ottawas this evening, and I think the only player that we need to be afraid of is McGee’ or ‘That McGee is a wonder and we are more afraid of him than any of your other forwards’

“One thing was noticeable, however, there is no Frank McGee on the team”

“Frank McGee was missed”

“Oh, for McGee”

“The line seems demoralized without McGee this winter, and in his absence chances for regaining lost laurels seem none too bright”

McGee was named to the 1905 fan-voted All Star team at center. He was also named by a Montreal writer to his All Star team in the same year, with the following write-ups:

“McGee, with tremendous bursts of speed, swoops down upon the enemy's nets, almost seeming to skate circles around his opponents” and “Both Bowie and McGee have played hockey from the day they graduated from skirts into short pants. Three years ago McGee sacrificed an eye in a hockey game, and has his doctor's word for it that if the puck ever hits his other eye he will probably be blind for life. But he plays the game out of sheer love of the sport, and takes the most dare-devil chances”

A 1912 article about a fanning bee discussed McGee:

"His name is Frank McGee. He could carry the puck on a straight line to the goal like a quarter-back bucks the line. And game!... He played hockey when a crack over the head was about as serious as a minor warning in the present rules of the N. H. A. and then a player with ability was a marked man. Why, he wore more pads than any man on the Ottawa team and after a bruising game would strip black and blue in front, behind, top and bottom. Incidentally he gave about as much punishment as he ever received."

In 1927 Lester Patrick named McGee to his all-time team:

“When I think of a centre ice player, the name of Frank McGee comes to my mind. He was the pivot man of the famous ‘Silver Seven’ of Ottawa”

In 1930 Gene Tunney named McGee to his all-time team:

“Center, Frank McGhee (there's previous explanation of him scoring five goals in a minute in the Stanley Cup match between Ottawa and Dawson City. And that he scored 16 of the 23 goals.)”

Newsy Lalonde named Frank McGee as one of the best centers (alongside Howie Morenz).

A 1941 Ottawa Journal article listed McGee as the center on the “old hockey” All Star team.

Closing thoughts: McGee had a very short career, made even shorter by regularly missing games for a myriad of reasons (some his fault, others not). However, there is no denying his impact as a hockey player during his short career, and he was more than just the scorer that I think history remembers him as. I think I may have been too aggressive in ranking McGee as highly as I did on my preliminary list, but I do think he belongs in this discussion, as I don't see any other eligible player who peaked as high as he did and impacted games in the manner he did.

I would like to mention the issue of teammates, though, since I was one of the more vocal guys bringing it up against the later Ottawa players- McGee played with some very good players for his day. Pulford, Westwick, and Alf Smith in particular were highly decorated and respected players, and the other guys were no slouches either. The difference between McGee and a guy like Denneny (or Benedict, or Boucher) to me is that McGee was the star of the Silver Seven, whereas Nighbor was the star of those later Sens teams. Being the top dog matters to me in discussions of greatness, and I don't think that you can argue that McGee wasn't one of the top dogs of all time.

 

[VanIslander]

LOVE the McGee pick as a 3rd line center in an all-time draft!
He should not be far from Bowie in any ATD.

I have quoted a decade back when picking him late as an extra in an ATD the story of the time he broke his arm in a game, and the newspaper reported it, but didn't mention which arm. Knowing the opposition were going to hack away at his injured arm, he got the doc to put a big cast on his healthy arm and a small cast on his broken arm, which he hid under a shirt. He went on to score multiple goals and win the game!

 

[VanIslander]

98. @Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - ON THE CLOCK

199. @Hitru & @Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - on deck
200. @BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - on deck soon

 

[Leaf Lander]

Leafs select Scotty Bowman Coach