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ATD 2020 Draft Thread V

We DECIDED predraft!

We built teams taking into account the superstars we are against in our division.

Divisional playoffs is a chance for the underdog to show/prove they can upset the higher seed.
 
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Yeah, I have to say, I made some decisions based on what the other folks in the division were doing. So obviously I think there needs to be intra division match ups. If anything we should be doing 1 v 4 and 2 v 3 with the 5th place finishers being put into a consolation bracket (8 teams).

As for the picks:

@Johnny Engine was skipped at 2:57 AM EST

@seventieslord would have been skipped at 6:57 AM EST

Will post my pick shortly.
 
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I started the IceCaps by drafting Maurice Richard, who played 978 games for the Canadiens and is thought by many to be the franchise's greatest star. So I'm going to finish by drafting Paul Ronty, who appeared in 5 regular season games and 5 playoff games for the team, and is never thought of as a great Canadien, if he is thought of at all. But he's a big centre with a real nice offensive peak, so he's welcome in St. John's.
 
Pittsburgh will round out its roster with our spare D. Good defensive defensemen who actually possessed good skating ability for a big player. Good shot blocker and elite hitter, he is the type of guy you need to know where on the ice he's at when the puck is on your stick in the neutral/offensive zones. Not going to handle the puck in the transition game but generally had a good first outlet pass. Won a pair of Cups as a key complementary player. Was good enough to play on both the 2010/2014 Olympic teams. He also brings high end PK ability and the ability to play a strictly shut down role. Depending on match up and home/away games, Pittsburgh will run with 7D and 11F given the strength of the latter group and transition ability of our top 2 pairings. This guy will bring even more physicality, PK ability and a nice defensive presence when holding leads.

Pittsburgh welcomes back:

Brooks Orpik, D

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Consider, since 2011, he has killed a larger # of penalties for his team than Alex Pietrangelo.

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YearsPlayerPosGPSH%TmSH+
CareerBrooks OrpikD103543%0.93
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YearsPlayerPosGPSH%TmSH+
2011-2019Brooks OrpikD58656%0.88
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I'll take Karel Gut' partner for the most successful period of CSSR hockey:
Jan Starsi, assistant coach.
Together they won:
2 WC gold in 1976 and 1977 (golden age of Soviet hockey)
4 WC silver
1 OG silver
and reached the final of the Canada Cup in 1976.
 
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  • I'd like the Renegades to have a spare capable of playing RW, so I'll grab them John Ogrodnick, RW/LW. I've never had Ogrodnick, he's one of those "slightly overrated because of 1980s numbers" scorers. But this is 140 picks later than he's ever gone and he actually looks really good compared to other offensive wingers right now, with the "can play both sides" thing a nice bonus.
  • Kenora has a spare center and a spare defenseman, so I should get them a spare winger. Nikolai Drozdetsky, RW/LW seems like the best option now. He has an excellent offensive record both in the soviet league and in international competition, although has a smaller international sample than one would like to see.
 
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Probably a terrible pick, but I feel ballsy:

Alex Radulov, RW

He dominated the KHL in his prime years (age 25-30) and the guy is an animal. Highly skilled and ferocious player. I have zero doubt if he played his entire career in the NHL he would have been drafted several rounds ago.
 
BenchBrawl said:
Probably a terrible pick, but I feel ballsy:

Alex Radulov, RW

He dominated the KHL in his prime years (age 25-30) and the guy is an animal. Highly skilled and ferocious player. I have zero doubt if he played his entire career in the NHL he would have been drafted several rounds ago.
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I've been meaning to add post-1993 equivalencies to my huge multi-league spreadsheet. The top KHL players definitely deserve a certain amount of credit. Even if a NHL-only player is never going to be drafted in a relevant position, the scores a player like Radulov earns can serve as fair "placeholder" scores while he builds up a relevant 7-year NHL resume. I know that it's not always perfectly transferable - the KHL feels like a minor league sometimes, based on what kinds of players have managed to become stars there, but there has to be a way to give moderate credit to KHL players who we know for sure are good NHLers - and they're out there.

1-1-1-2-2-4 in KHL scoring - certainly those could be arguably translated into 50-60 point seasons.

On the other hand, there's a player who's 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-3-5-6-8 in that league and we have every reason to be highly skeptical of him.
 
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seventieslord said:
I've been meaning to add post-1993 equivalencies to my huge multi-league spreadsheet. The top KHL players definitely deserve a certain amount of credit. Even if a NHL-only player is never going to be drafted in a relevant position, the scores a player like Radulov earns can serve as fair "placeholder" scores while he builds up a relevant 7-year NHL resume. I know that it's not always perfectly transferable - the KHL feels like a minor league sometimes, based on what kinds of players have managed to become stars there, but there has to be a way to give moderate credit to KHL players who we know for sure are good NHLers - and they're out there.

1-1-1-2-2-4 in KHL scoring - certainly those could be arguably translated into 50-60 point seasons.
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I'd love to see such a system. I know it will be tough.

In the case of Radulov, I suspect he would have scored higher totals than 60 points in those 6 years. He plays a style that is physically draining. Not your caricatural "soft euro" by any long shot. Probably at age 30 when he came back his body was worned out and he was already past his prime.

In Montreal he didn't score that many points but the system was suffocating and he was the only real threat we had. Then back-to-back 72 points seasons in 2018 and 2019 on a declining Dallas core.

I guess there's also the eye-test factor, which played a huge part on me drafting him. Radulov is a dominant player on the ice - at least he was when I saw him in Montreal. Best forward I saw in a Montreal jersey since Kovalev. Better than Pacioretty for sure (even if Pacioretty outscored him that year).
 
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On the other hand, there's a player who's 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-3-5-6-8 in that league and we have every reason to be highly skeptical of him.
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Just saw the edit. True, but Radulov proved he could dominate on a NHL ice. Guess he's a special case. Even from his junior days it was obvious he would be a NHL star, but then he just left, so his career from a bird view looks like a strong career but with the prime cut out from it with a pair of scissors. Circumstantial evidence is in favor of Radulov being a solid 1st liner throughout his 20s if he had stayed. Not true of the other guy.
 
Also, just because a player who wouldn't excel in the NHL dominates another league, doesn't necessarily imply the league is easy to dominate. There are weird things like that, like say AHL players dominating more in the AHL then NHLers that are sent down or something like that. Some players need a specific environment and they excel there, but they're not robust to changes of environment.

This is what makes it so tough to create an equivalence system.
 
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BenchBrawl said:
Also, just because a player who wouldn't excel in the NHL dominates another league, doesn't necessarily imply the league is easy to dominate. There are weird things like that, like say AHL players dominating more in the AHL then NHLers that are sent down or something like that. Some players need a specific environment and they excel there, but they're not robust to changes of environment.

This is what makes it so tough to create an equivalence system.
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You're right. Any system that fudges the numbers to the point that Radulov is even an ATD spare (let's say in the neighbourhood of John Ogrodnicks and Steve Sullivans), would make this other guy an ATD 2nd liner, maybe higher.

It's part of why the soviet league equivalencies of the 70s are so difficult. If I fudge them enough to make Firsov as good as many think he is, then we have a major Starshinov problem.
 
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You're right. Any system that fudges the numbers to the point that Radulov is even an ATD spare (let's say in the neighbourhood of John Ogrodnicks and Steve Sullivans), would make this other guy an ATD 2nd liner, maybe higher.

It's part of why the soviet league equivalencies of the 70s are so difficult. If I fudge them enough to make Firsov as good as many think he is, then we have a major Starshinov problem.
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I agree.

FTR, I'm not pushing hard for Radulov to be accepted. It's a freestyle sort of pick for my spare, just to test the waters.
 
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