ATD 2020 Draft Thread IV

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BenchBrawl

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The 40 team no-trade format is a good one. Nice to see teams still getting fleshed out on the top lines/pairings with guys typically assigned to bottom-unit stuff. Seems like the goalie market is really different at 40 teams than it is in smaller formats. No surprise. The "undervaluation" of goalies in the ATD was always a matter of supply and demand much more so than a cultural bias against the position. In smaller drafts, the back end of the goalie market is good enough that waiting becomes a quite viable tactic. In larger drafts, scarcity drives the price of starting goalies up. It's simple.

So, I decided to do a quick shadow draft of where I'd be thus far. Did it the first time I looked through the draft list so as not to "game" later round picks by knowing what others would do. Shadow drafts are always a little wonky because changing one pick can change them all, but anyway, here goes [I use CDF's #19 position]:

1: Frank Nighbor
2: Borje Salming
3: Busher Jackson
4: Bernie Parent
5: Frantisek Pospisil
6: Helmuts Balderis
7: Frank Fredrickson
8: Bernie Morris
9: Doug Mohns
10: Dean Prentice
11. Dave Burrows

I'm pretty happy with it. My shadow team then looks like:

Jackson - Nighbor - Morris
Prentice - Frederickson - Balderis

Salming - Pospisil
Mohns - Burrows

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Nice to see you around, and your shadow team looks great.
 

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Burns was on my very short list for coaches for the ovie team. Nice pick.
I figured hed love my two way forward group and the way I structured my D. I wanted to go with a period appropriate coach but Patrick as my first choice was taken earlier than I anticipated so I punted a bit.
 

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Burns would not like Ovechkin, just like he did not appreciate Thornton.

Burnsie loved a dump-and-chase style of attack and hustle on the backcheck, no controller disabled.
 

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Seems like the goalie market is really different at 40 teams than it is in smaller formats. No surprise. The "undervaluation" of goalies in the ATD was always a matter of supply and demand much more so than a cultural bias against the position. In smaller drafts, the back end of the goalie market is good enough that waiting becomes a quite viable tactic. In larger drafts, scarcity drives the price of starting goalies up. It's simple.
Absolutely fascinated by the discussions concerning the relative import of Goaltenders- on both sides of the matter.

A lot of this seems to be driven by "Investor Psychology" and the phenomenon of "Perceived Valuation."

I had earlier put in a post here making the point that the numbers lead me to the conclusion that it doesn't matter quite as much as many think it does. Problem is- this is a Voter-Driven Exercise... and people have fairly well-entrenched views of Goalie value- and a few posted sound-bites such as mine aren't going to move the needle- like, at all...

Might not be the the clearest example- but the example freshest in my memory is this playoff round, where the Goalie edge was viewed as utterly decisive, in spite of the fact that the other team appeared (to me) to have advantages all over the rest of the ice.

The lesson here is the same as in any other market-driven context: if one's perception of intrinsic value is at odds with majority sentiment, then all logic and reasoning won't be enough to avoid being trampled by The Stampede.
 
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Absolutely fascinated by the discussions concerning the relative import of Goaltenders- on both sides of the matter.

A lot of this seems to be driven by "Investor Psychology" and the phenomenon of "Perceived Valuation."

I had earlier put in a post here making the point that the numbers lead me to the conclusion that it doesn't matter quite as much as many think it does. Problem is- this is a Voter-Driven Exercise... and people have fairly well-entrenched views of Goalie value- and a few posted sound-bites such as mine aren't going to move the needle- like, at all...

Might not be the the clearest example- but the example freshest in my memory is this playoff round, where the Goalie edge was viewed as utterly decisive, in spite of the fact that the other team appeared (to me) to have advantages all over the rest of the ice.

The lesson here is the same as in any other market-driven context: if one's perception of intrinsic value is at odds with majority sentiment, then all logic and reasoning won't be enough to avoid being trampled by The Stampede.


Am i the only one that thinks Shero would have been a better fit for California (who had Clarke) squad and Lester Patrick fitting the Mario led team far better than Shero?

Van had vastly better skaters in that series. That top 4 is ridiculous (see below). The weaker offense of California would have a tough time making headway there. BUT, Plante is a massive advantage over Worters. Even with that being said, this is a series where I could see Hershey winning with a much weaker goalie. Van gave him a massive amount of talent at D so I think shots volume would be suppressed. The F group, IMO is pretty heavily tilted to Hershey as well.

Nicklas Lidstrom - Zdeno Chara
Scott Niedermayer - Brad Park
 
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Radz take Bernie Nicholls, a guy I've gained so much appreciation for watching old games and reading up on.

Nicholls is such a forgotten and underrated player. He spent much of his career as a second line center, including in his younger years behind Dionne and Gretzky, even though he was a elite center in his prime. He wasn't the best skater, though even that was underrated because it was mostly style points lost rather than effectiveness. Other than that, he had great puck skills and elite shooting (pinpoint accurate with quick release). Most importantly, his hockey sense he was one of the smartest offensive players of his time, great anticipation, positioning, and decision making.

The best thing about Nicholls is his attitude. He is one of the best guys to have on the team, always happy and friendly on and off the ice. People took his attitude (and his gumpy skating stride) to mean that Nicholls wasn't serious or motivated about playing, but that's not right. Nicholls was among the best athletes on his teams. He took conditioning seriously which is why he remained late in his career.

Nicholls was also very strong, and despite being such a happy and nice guy, Nicholls had mean streak on the ice, especially if somebody went after him. Not only would he hit (and he was strong and decent sized), he would play chippy.

Due to his very high hockey sense, Nicholls easily became a very good defensive player later in his career as he went to first to the Rangers and especially later with the Devils.

All of these things make him the guy I always wanted to play third line center for my team. He had usually had to play lower in the depth chart, but despite that had a great attitude. He's fine with playing a rougher type of game and playing in a defensive system if need be. He'll definitely play a starring role on the powerplay.

Nicholls numbers dropped significantly after he left Los Angeles. He's dismissed as a product of Gretzky because of this, though his super high scoring when Gretzky joined is likely due just as much to him actually finally getting top tier wingers and icetime with less defensive attention because of Gretzky. Then there are the nagging injuries that started popping up after his big year, and he was already in his late twenties.

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1982

end season:
1999

1982 32 total
dave taylor  8  25%  0ev  8pp  0sh
jim fox  6 18.75%  5ev  1pp  0sh
marcel dionne  6 18.75%  0ev  6pp  0sh
mark hardy  6 18.75%  2ev  4pp  0sh
doug smith  5 15.62%  5ev  0pp  0sh
charlie simmer  4  12.5%  0ev  4pp  0sh
john paul kelly  4  12.5%  3ev  1pp  0sh
daryl evans  3  9.38%  3ev  0pp  0sh
larry murphy  3  9.38%  3ev  0pp  0sh
mike murphy  3  9.38%  2ev  1pp  0sh
unassisted  3  9.38%  2ev  0pp  1sh
jerry korab  2  6.25%  1ev  1pp  0sh
rick chartraw  2  6.25%  2ev  0pp  0sh
steve bozek  2  6.25%  2ev  0pp  0sh
ian turnbull  1  3.12%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1983 49 total
jim fox  21 42.86%  8ev  13pp  0sh
charlie simmer  14 28.57%  6ev  8pp  0sh
doug smith  10 20.41%  9ev  1pp  0sh
mike murphy  8 16.33%  8ev  0pp  0sh
larry murphy  6 12.24%  2ev  4pp  0sh
dean kennedy  5  10.2%  5ev  0pp  0sh
jerry korab  4  8.16%  2ev  2pp  0sh
mark hardy  4  8.16%  2ev  2pp  0sh
dave lewis  3  6.12%  3ev  0pp  0sh
daryl evans  2  4.08%  0ev  2pp  0sh
kenneth gruhl  2  4.08%  2ev  0pp  0sh
ulf isaksson  2  4.08%  2ev  0pp  0sh
brian maclellan  1  2.04%  1ev  0pp  0sh
jay wells  1  2.04%  1ev  0pp  0sh
marcel dionne  1  2.04%  0ev  1pp  0sh
rick chartraw  1  2.04%  1ev  0pp  0sh
steve bozek  1  2.04%  1ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  1  2.04%  1ev  0pp  0sh
warren holmes  1  2.04%  0ev  1pp  0sh

1984 90 total
jim fox  40 44.44%  31ev  9pp  0sh
brian maclellan  34 37.78%  24ev  7pp  3sh
mark hardy  15 16.67%  2ev  12pp  1sh
marcel dionne  9  10%  0ev  9pp  0sh
mike mcewen  9  10%  5ev  4pp  0sh
jay wells  8  8.89%  7ev  1pp  0sh
charlie simmer  7  7.78%  2ev  5pp  0sh
dave taylor  7  7.78%  5ev  2pp  0sh
russ anderson  6  6.67%  6ev  0pp  0sh
brian engblom  5  5.56%  2ev  2pp  1sh
unassisted  5  5.56%  4ev  0pp  1sh
marc chorney  3  3.33%  3ev  0pp  0sh
anders hakansson  2  2.22%  1ev  0pp  1sh
john paul kelly  2  2.22%  2ev  0pp  0sh
larry murphy  2  2.22%  1ev  1pp  0sh
terry ruskowski  2  2.22%  1ev  1pp  0sh
billy harris  1  1.11%  1ev  0pp  0sh
doug smith  1  1.11%  0ev  1pp  0sh
ken houston  1  1.11%  1ev  0pp  0sh
kevin lavallee  1  1.11%  1ev  0pp  0sh
steve christoff  1  1.11%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1985 97 total
jim fox  54 55.67%  48ev  6pp  0sh
terry ruskowski  27 27.84%  25ev  2pp  0sh
marcel dionne  23 23.71%  3ev  20pp  0sh
brian maclellan  19 19.59%  6ev  13pp  0sh
mark hardy  16 16.49%  7ev  9pp  0sh
garry galley  9  9.28%  8ev  1pp  0sh
brian engblom  8  8.25%  7ev  1pp  0sh
dave taylor  8  8.25%  1ev  7pp  0sh
craig redmond  4  4.12%  2ev  2pp  0sh
carl mokosak  3  3.09%  3ev  0pp  0sh
steve shutt  3  3.09%  1ev  2pp  0sh
anders hakansson  2  2.06%  2ev  0pp  0sh
jay wells  2  2.06%  2ev  0pp  0sh
phil sykes  2  2.06%  2ev  0pp  0sh
rick lapointe  2  2.06%  2ev  0pp  0sh
john paul kelly  1  1.03%  1ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  1  1.03%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1986 94 total
dave williams  26 27.66%  23ev  3pp  0sh
jim fox  21 22.34%  17ev  4pp  0sh
bryan erickson  20 21.28%  14ev  4pp  2sh
dave taylor  10 10.64%  6ev  4pp  0sh
jay wells  10 10.64%  8ev  2pp  0sh
marcel dionne  10 10.64%  1ev  9pp  0sh
grant ledyard  8  8.51%  5ev  3pp  0sh
mark hardy  7  7.45%  3ev  3pp  1sh
phil sykes  7  7.45%  5ev  2pp  0sh
brian maclellan  6  6.38%  1ev  5pp  0sh
morris lukowich  6  6.38%  5ev  1pp  0sh
craig redmond  5  5.32%  2ev  2pp  1sh
garry galley  5  5.32%  4ev  0pp  1sh
john paul kelly  5  5.32%  4ev  1pp  0sh
brian engblom  3  3.19%  3ev  0pp  0sh
doug smith  3  3.19%  1ev  2pp  0sh
dean kennedy  2  2.13%  2ev  0pp  0sh
allan tuer  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
anders hakansson  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
bob janecyk  1  1.06%  0ev  1pp  0sh
brian wilks  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
dan brennan  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
ken hammond  1  1.06%  0ev  1pp  0sh
larry playfair  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
paul guay  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
roland melanson  1  1.06%  0ev  0pp  1sh
sean mckenna  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1987 80 total
jim fox  40  50%  29ev  10pp  1sh
dave williams  20  25%  17ev  3pp  0sh
mark hardy  10  12.5%  8ev  2pp  0sh
steve duchesne  10  12.5%  5ev  5pp  0sh
jay wells  8  10%  5ev  3pp  0sh
jimmy carson  6  7.5%  0ev  6pp  0sh
marcel dionne  6  7.5%  1ev  5pp  0sh
dave taylor  5  6.25%  1ev  4pp  0sh
larry playfair  5  6.25%  5ev  0pp  0sh
grant ledyard  4  5%  2ev  2pp  0sh
morris lukowich  4  5%  0ev  4pp  0sh
sean mckenna  4  5%  4ev  0pp  0sh
bob bourne  3  3.75%  3ev  0pp  0sh
bryan erickson  3  3.75%  0ev  3pp  0sh
dean kennedy  2  2.5%  2ev  0pp  0sh
luc robitaille  2  2.5%  0ev  2pp  0sh
unassisted  2  2.5%  2ev  0pp  0sh
craig redmond  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh
dave langevin  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh
garry galley  1  1.25%  0ev  1pp  0sh
lyle phair  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh
peter dineen  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh
phil sykes  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh
roland melanson  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh
tom laidlaw  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1988 77 total
jim fox  24 31.17%  19ev  5pp  0sh
bobby carpenter  20 25.97%  11ev  8pp  1sh
luc robitaille  14 18.18%  5ev  9pp  0sh
steve duchesne  12 15.58%  6ev  6pp  0sh
jimmy carson  11 14.29%  1ev  10pp  0sh
dave taylor  8 10.39%  5ev  3pp  0sh
paul fenton  7  9.09%  1ev  5pp  1sh
phil sykes  7  9.09%  6ev  1pp  0sh
ken hammond  5  6.49%  4ev  1pp  0sh
jay wells  4  5.19%  2ev  1pp  1sh
mark hardy  4  5.19%  0ev  3pp  1sh
unassisted  4  5.19%  1ev  0pp  3sh
ron duguay  3  3.9%  1ev  2pp  0sh
bob bourne  2  2.6%  0ev  1pp  1sh
tom laidlaw  2  2.6%  2ev  0pp  0sh
dean kennedy  1  1.3%  1ev  0pp  0sh
glenn healy  1  1.3%  1ev  0pp  0sh
grant ledyard  1  1.3%  0ev  1pp  0sh
ken baumgartner  1  1.3%  1ev  0pp  0sh
lyle phair  1  1.3%  1ev  0pp  0sh
paul guay  1  1.3%  1ev  0pp  0sh
wayne mcbean  1  1.3%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1989 146 total
wayne gretzky  61 41.78%  23ev  27pp  11sh
luc robitaille  45 30.82%  32ev  13pp  0sh
dave taylor  34 23.29%  23ev  11pp  0sh
steve duchesne  31 21.23%  13ev  14pp  4sh
john tonelli  13  8.9%  9ev  4pp  0sh
mike krushelnyski  9  6.16%  6ev  3pp  0sh
bobby carpenter  6  4.11%  5ev  1pp  0sh
tim watters  6  4.11%  5ev  0pp  1sh
dale degray  5  3.42%  3ev  2pp  0sh
doug crossman  5  3.42%  4ev  1pp  0sh
steve kasper  5  3.42%  1ev  3pp  1sh
tom laidlaw  5  3.42%  5ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  5  3.42%  3ev  2pp  0sh
dean kennedy  4  2.74%  3ev  0pp  1sh
ken baumgartner  4  2.74%  3ev  0pp  1sh
marty mcsorley  4  2.74%  3ev  1pp  0sh
ron duguay  4  2.74%  4ev  0pp  0sh
igor liba  3  2.05%  0ev  3pp  0sh
jay miller  3  2.05%  3ev  0pp  0sh
jim wiemer  3  2.05%  0ev  0pp  3sh
mike allison  2  1.37%  0ev  2pp  0sh
chris kontos  1  0.68%  1ev  0pp  0sh
kelly hrudey  1  0.68%  1ev  0pp  0sh
larry playfair  1  0.68%  0ev  0pp  1sh
paul fenton  1  0.68%  1ev  0pp  0sh
petr prajzler  1  0.68%  0ev  1pp  0sh

1990 102 total
luc robitaille  38 37.25%  23ev  15pp  0sh
wayne gretzky  25 24.51%  9ev  15pp  1sh
steve duchesne  14 13.73%  7ev  7pp  0sh
troy mallette  10  9.8%  6ev  4pp  0sh
dave taylor  9  8.82%  8ev  1pp  0sh
larry robinson  9  8.82%  4ev  5pp  0sh
john tonelli  8  7.84%  5ev  3pp  0sh
darren turcotte  7  6.86%  2ev  5pp  0sh
ulf dahlen  7  6.86%  2ev  5pp  0sh
brian leetch  6  5.88%  1ev  5pp  0sh
mike gartner  6  5.88%  3ev  3pp  0sh
brian benning  5  4.9%  2ev  3pp  0sh
marty mcsorley  5  4.9%  4ev  1pp  0sh
bob kudelski  4  3.92%  2ev  2pp  0sh
brian mullen  4  3.92%  1ev  3pp  0sh
carey wilson  4  3.92%  1ev  3pp  0sh
james patrick  4  3.92%  3ev  1pp  0sh
john ogrodnick  3  2.94%  0ev  3pp  0sh
kelly kisio  3  2.94%  0ev  3pp  0sh
tom laidlaw  3  2.94%  3ev  0pp  0sh
jeff bloemberg  2  1.96%  1ev  1pp  0sh
randy moller  2  1.96%  2ev  0pp  0sh
craig duncanson  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
hubie mcdonough  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
jay miller  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
jim fox  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
keith crowder  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
mike allison  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
mike krushelnyski  1  0.98%  0ev  1pp  0sh
miloslav horava  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
petr prajzler  1  0.98%  0ev  1pp  0sh
scott bjugstad  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
steve kasper  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
tim watters  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
todd elik  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1991 70 total
brian leetch  23 32.86%  7ev  16pp  0sh
mike gartner  23 32.86%  11ev  12pp  0sh
ray sheppard  20 28.57%  16ev  4pp  0sh
darren turcotte  17 24.29%  3ev  14pp  0sh
james patrick  12 17.14%  2ev  10pp  0sh
brian mullen  6  8.57%  4ev  2pp  0sh
troy mallette  6  8.57%  6ev  0pp  0sh
randy moller  4  5.71%  3ev  1pp  0sh
david shaw  3  4.29%  3ev  0pp  0sh
jan erixon  3  4.29%  3ev  0pp  0sh
john ogrodnick  3  4.29%  3ev  0pp  0sh
normand rochefort  3  4.29%  3ev  0pp  0sh
kevin miller  2  2.86%  2ev  0pp  0sh
mark hardy  2  2.86%  2ev  0pp  0sh
jody hull  1  1.43%  1ev  0pp  0sh
miloslav horava  1  1.43%  1ev  0pp  0sh
tie domi  1  1.43%  1ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  1  1.43%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1992 48 total
vincent damphousse  26 54.17%  15ev  11pp  0sh
joe murphy  21 43.75%  13ev  8pp  0sh
norm maciver  8 16.67%  6ev  2pp  0sh
petr klima  4  8.33%  3ev  1pp  0sh
scott mellanby  4  8.33%  3ev  1pp  0sh
brian glynn  3  6.25%  1ev  2pp  0sh
craig simpson  3  6.25%  3ev  0pp  0sh
dave manson  3  6.25%  0ev  3pp  0sh
greg hawgood  3  6.25%  1ev  2pp  0sh
martin gelinas  3  6.25%  3ev  0pp  0sh
anatoli semenov  2  4.17%  1ev  1pp  0sh
geoff smith  2  4.17%  1ev  1pp  0sh
kelly buchberger  2  4.17%  2ev  0pp  0sh
esa tikkanen  1  2.08%  0ev  1pp  0sh
unassisted  1  2.08%  0ev  1pp  0sh

1993 56 total
petr klima  15 26.79%  8ev  7pp  0sh
craig simpson  12 21.43%  4ev  8pp  0sh
stephane richer  12 21.43%  8ev  4pp  0sh
dave manson  10 17.86%  1ev  9pp  0sh
john maclean  8 14.29%  6ev  2pp  0sh
greg hawgood  6 10.71%  3ev  3pp  0sh
scott niedermayer  5  8.93%  3ev  2pp  0sh
brent gilchrist  3  5.36%  3ev  0pp  0sh
bruce driver  3  5.36%  1ev  2pp  0sh
craig muni  3  5.36%  3ev  0pp  0sh
esa tikkanen  3  5.36%  2ev  1pp  0sh
peter stastny  2  3.57%  0ev  2pp  0sh
scott mellanby  2  3.57%  0ev  2pp  0sh
scott stevens  2  3.57%  2ev  0pp  0sh
shayne corson  2  3.57%  0ev  2pp  0sh
unassisted  2  3.57%  2ev  0pp  0sh
brad werenka  1  1.79%  1ev  0pp  0sh
claude lemieux  1  1.79%  0ev  1pp  0sh
geoff smith  1  1.79%  0ev  1pp  0sh
josef beranek  1  1.79%  1ev  0pp  0sh
kelly buchberger  1  1.79%  1ev  0pp  0sh
ken daneyko  1  1.79%  1ev  0pp  0sh
luke richardson  1  1.79%  0ev  1pp  0sh
tommy albelin  1  1.79%  0ev  1pp  0sh
valeri zelepukin  1  1.79%  1ev  0pp  0sh
viacheslav fetisov  1  1.79%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1994 46 total
john maclean  16 34.78%  10ev  6pp  0sh
claude lemieux  12 26.09%  8ev  4pp  0sh
scott stevens  11 23.91%  5ev  4pp  2sh
scott niedermayer  9 19.57%  8ev  1pp  0sh
stephane richer  8 17.39%  6ev  2pp  0sh
valeri zelepukin  6 13.04%  5ev  1pp  0sh
tom chorske  5 10.87%  4ev  0pp  1sh
bruce driver  4  8.7%  1ev  3pp  0sh
bobby carpenter  2  4.35%  2ev  0pp  0sh
bobby holik  2  4.35%  2ev  0pp  0sh
ken daneyko  2  4.35%  2ev  0pp  0sh
mike peluso  2  4.35%  2ev  0pp  0sh
randy mckay  2  4.35%  2ev  0pp  0sh
tommy albelin  2  4.35%  1ev  1pp  0sh
jaroslav modry  1  2.17%  1ev  0pp  0sh
jason smith  1  2.17%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1995 47 total
joe murphy  22 46.81%  11ev  10pp  1sh
chris chelios  14 29.79%  3ev  10pp  1sh
gary suter  13 27.66%  5ev  8pp  0sh
patrick poulin  7 14.89%  7ev  0pp  0sh
jeremy roenick  6 12.77%  0ev  6pp  0sh
paul ysebaert  4  8.51%  4ev  0pp  0sh
steve smith  4  8.51%  2ev  2pp  0sh
unassisted  4  8.51%  2ev  1pp  1sh
tony amonte  3  6.38%  0ev  3pp  0sh
christian ruuttu  2  4.26%  2ev  0pp  0sh
dirk graham  2  4.26%  0ev  2pp  0sh
denis savard  1  2.13%  0ev  1pp  0sh
eric weinrich  1  2.13%  0ev  1pp  0sh
jeff shantz  1  2.13%  0ev  1pp  0sh
sergei krivokrasov  1  2.13%  0ev  1pp  0sh

1996 58 total
gary suter  23 39.66%  4ev  18pp  1sh
tony amonte  18 31.03%  13ev  5pp  0sh
chris chelios  12 20.69%  2ev  10pp  0sh
jeremy roenick  11 18.97%  6ev  5pp  0sh
joe murphy  11 18.97%  7ev  4pp  0sh
eric daze  9 15.52%  9ev  0pp  0sh
murray craven  9 15.52%  7ev  1pp  1sh
sergei krivokrasov  5  8.62%  5ev  0pp  0sh
patrick poulin  4  6.9%  4ev  0pp  0sh
igor ulanov  3  5.17%  3ev  0pp  0sh
bob probert  1  1.72%  1ev  0pp  0sh
cam russell  1  1.72%  1ev  0pp  0sh
eric weinrich  1  1.72%  1ev  0pp  0sh
steve smith  1  1.72%  1ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  1  1.72%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1997 43 total
tony granato  18 41.86%  13ev  4pp  1sh
owen nolan  14 32.56%  8ev  6pp  0sh
jeff friesen  12 27.91%  8ev  2pp  2sh
viktor kozlov  9 20.93%  6ev  3pp  0sh
al iafrate  5 11.63%  3ev  2pp  0sh
andrei nazarov  2  4.65%  2ev  0pp  0sh
marcus ragnarsson  2  4.65%  1ev  1pp  0sh
todd gill  2  4.65%  1ev  1pp  0sh
unassisted  2  4.65%  1ev  0pp  1sh
chris tancill  1  2.33%  1ev  0pp  0sh
darren turcotte  1  2.33%  0ev  1pp  0sh
doug bodger  1  2.33%  1ev  0pp  0sh
greg hawgood  1  2.33%  0ev  1pp  0sh
marty mcsorley  1  2.33%  1ev  0pp  0sh
michal sykora  1  2.33%  1ev  0pp  0sh
ron sutter  1  2.33%  0ev  1pp  0sh
stephen guolla  1  2.33%  1ev  0pp  0sh
ulf dahlen  1  2.33%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1998 28 total
murray craven  7  25%  6ev  1pp  0sh
bill houlder  6 21.43%  3ev  3pp  0sh
tony granato  5 17.86%  4ev  1pp  0sh
andrei zyuzin  4 14.29%  4ev  0pp  0sh
joe murphy  4 14.29%  2ev  2pp  0sh
jeff friesen  3 10.71%  2ev  1pp  0sh
mike rathje  3 10.71%  2ev  1pp  0sh
owen nolan  3 10.71%  3ev  0pp  0sh
todd gill  3 10.71%  1ev  2pp  0sh
al iafrate  2  7.14%  1ev  1pp  0sh
john maclean  2  7.14%  2ev  0pp  0sh
marco sturm  2  7.14%  1ev  1pp  0sh
marcus ragnarsson  2  7.14%  1ev  1pp  0sh
stephane matteau  2  7.14%  2ev  0pp  0sh
viktor kozlov  2  7.14%  1ev  1pp  0sh
doug bodger  1  3.57%  0ev  1pp  0sh
marty mcsorley  1  3.57%  1ev  0pp  0sh
patrick marleau  1  3.57%  0ev  1pp  0sh
rich brennan  1  3.57%  0ev  1pp  0sh
ron sutter  1  3.57%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1999 2 total
owen nolan  2  100%  0ev  2pp  0sh
bill houlder  1  50%  0ev  1pp  0sh
jeff friesen  1  50%  0ev  1pp  0sh

The early nineties are the one time you can probably say he didn't have all the motivation he needed to play well, but I don't fault him at all for that. He was he crushed to be traded from the Kings (and that to the defensively minded Rangers) and then be traded again and again in short succession, right as he was trying to start a family. The unfortunate situation with his son's illness and passing makes it amazing that Nicholls was able to play at all.

Some nice features on Nicholls from different stages of his career:

https://vault.si.com/vault/1982/11/22/its-pumper-nicholl-on-a-roll

HOCKEY; When a Crisis Sets In, Nicholls Puts Family First

https://vault.si.com/vault/1995/04/...dured-tragedy-on-his-way-back-to-nhl-eminence

 
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Burns would not like Ovechkin, just like he did not appreciate Thornton.

Burnsie loved a dump-and-chase style of attack and hustle on the backcheck, no controller disabled.

He probably appreciated the back checking to cover for his own shortcoming defensively
 

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Completing the Rosebud's top 4 on defence I will select Gary Bergman, D

He will be Art Ducans's regular linemate at ES and factor into the Rosebud's penalty kill units.

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I’m going to add a mean sonofabitch with surprisingly good ES production if I remember correctly - Dale Hunter
 

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TDMM list picks

Boris Mayorov, LW

Pm'd next.

Thanks for making the pick. I needed a tough, playmaking LW to finish my 2nd line, and those guys don't grow on trees. A small bonus that he was Starshinov's playmaker in real life.

My Lafleur team has a lot of Soviets on it, so it's nice to get one worthy of wearing a letter.

Top 6:

Vladimir Krutov - Sid Abel (C) - Guy Lafleur
Boris Mayorov (A) - Vyacheslav Starshinov - Bobby Bauer
 
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