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EagleBelfour

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A #1 defenceman is so important in this draft, I understand some people taking the BDA before the BPA. The only draft I didn't won my division is the time when I didn't have a true #1 defenceman. You can get away with low-end #1 D (the Lapointe, Savard, Howe etc...) if you are able to construct a strong D-core that make sense, just like I did when I won the ATD. I didn't had any of the defenceman selected yet, but the Top-4 was very strong.
 
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EagleBelfour said:
A #1 defenceman is so important in this draft, I understand some people taking the BDA before the BPA. The only draft I didn't won my division is the time when I didn't have a true #1 defenceman. You can get away with low-end #1 D (the Lapointe, Savard, Howe etc...) if you are able to construct a strong D-core that make sense, just like I did when I won the ATD. I didn't had any of the defenceman selected yet, but the Top-4 was very strong.
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Since I have Lapointe that is my hope!

Apart from being solid two ways, he's a real asset for the PP.
 
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I could. Talking in the past tense like that could mean anything, from right after they won to decades later. I'm also not sure why he'd be telling someone about Seibert's ice time(basically never leaving the ice would've been noticed by anyone) right after. My first impression and best guess is that the quote came some time after the cup run.
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Ok? And does that lessen the impact of the quote? I doubt Stewart would say something like that unless it was true. Seibert clearly was at least one of the biggest reasons that they won that cup, and based on what Stewart said, I'd say the biggest reason. Perhaps saying he carried the team to a cup might be over exaggerating, but quotes from other sources seem to think he DID carry that team on his back. I don't quite know what to make of this, other than Seibert truly was an elite defenseman, quite possibly the best of his time, just based on a lot of accounts that I've read.
 
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jareklajkosz said:
The BPA, and a steal. I would have taken him at 65.
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Great player, and a good bit of proof regarding how good the Russians of his era were.

He was over a point per game in the NHL for 3 seasons at an age when many players of his vintage were winding down as offensive threats.
 
jarek

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His Russian league stats are absurd. I don't care what the competition was, any time you can put up 10 years in a row of leading the league in points and assists, that's just ridiculous. He was doing it by huge margins too at times.
 
TheDevilMadeMe

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Thank god Sergei Makarov isn't in my division! Steal of the draft so far.

If I didn't draft a right wing with my first pick, I would have taken him at 70 without thinking twice.

I almost took him anyway, but figured starting a 40 team draft with 2 RWs would be suicide!
 
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TheDevilMadeMe said:
I almost took him anyway, but figured starting a 40 team draft with 2 RWs would be suicide!
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Ditto. If I didn't have Bathgate, I would have picked Makarov over Tretiak.

As for people calling him the steal of the draft, it's a bit much. He dropped further than he should, but so did Dickie Moore, Henri Richard, and Andy Bathagte. He was no more of a steal than ay of those guys.
 
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Dreakmur said:
Ditto. If I didn't have Bathgate, I would have picked Makarov over Tretiak.

As for people calling him the steal of the draft, it's a bit much. He dropped further than he should, but so did Dickie Moore, Henri Richard, and Andy Bathagte. He was no more of a steal than ay of those guys.
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Makarov is top-50 to me..
 
jarek

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EagleBelfour said:
Awful, just awful. Not even funny. You don't change your name in the middle of the ATD.
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Well, too bad, I did. You'll get used to it.

If it helps, I don't need PMs to know when I'm up, and I only have one trade left, so.. :P
 
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TheDevilMadeMe said:
Other GMs will disagree, but I would have taken Makarov over Bathgate without thinking twice.
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I think you're either over-rated Makarov or under-rating Bathgate.

There's no reason Bathgate shouldn't be considered right in the same group as Cook, Conacher, and Geoffrion. He even stacks up remarkably well with somebody like Lafleur.
 
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Dreakmur said:
I think you're either over-rated Makarov or under-rating Bathgate.

There's no reason Bathgate shouldn't be considered right in the same group as Cook, Conacher, and Geoffrion. He even stacks up remarkably well with somebody like Lafleur.
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If you ignore Bathgate's questionable playoff record (I won't say bad, just questionable, those Rangers teams were often badly outmatched by far superior opponents) and complete lack of a defensive game.

Don't get me wrong, Bathgate was a very solid pick where you got him. But I think it's gross hyberbole to say he stacks up well with Lafleur.

Edit: Again I'm just one person. I definitely rank Bathgate lower and Makarov higher than they are both placed on the last HOH Top 100.
 
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