At the half way mark, Avs and Leafs lead the league in injuries

[Crazy Cizikas]

There is a conversation to be had about injuries, but boy does this come off as sour grapes.

You won the game, no need to make a thinly veiled thread to take a victory lap.

Or at least make it less obvious next time.

That’s not what “sour grapes” means.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Habs led 3 years in a row prior.

was that because of the price and weber contracts?

 

[Szechwan]

Avs fans are constantly finger wagged by other fans about their enthusiastically biased announcers. Some of us watch the opposing team’s broadcast. And in the Minnesota game what did we see? We saw an embarrassing parade of excuse making by Minnesota’s local announcers. Frankly, they’re just as biased as the Avs announcers (possibly moreso). They’re just not as animated so they fly under radar.

Gosh that sounds awful, are you OK?? Perhaps we should escalate this to Bettman.

That’s not what “sour grapes” means.

Yeah you're right. I'll be honest, I originally had something far less nice there but tried to change it to something less inflammatory.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

So the Avs are an injury prone team and a likely first round exit in the playoffs. Thank you for the info.

In 2022 when the Avs won the cup, they never once had their full roster until the playoffs. They always had 3+ guys injured. At one point they were missing 4 of their top 6 and were still cruising.

 

[Just Linda]

was that because of the price and weber contracts?

Surprisingly, no. Those contributed significantly to it but even without, the Habs led the league in man games lost over the past 3 years.

So 2 years ago for example, Habs had 10 times the man games lost to injury as the NYR. The year before that, Habs had 20 times the man games lost as the Flames did.

 

[rynryn]

pretty amazing the Avalanche are cooking while missing their top scorer and their best three defensemen. really impressive.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Is this including Landy?

 

[JoeSakic13]

Counting Landeskog is dishonest. In fact, counting Nichushkin being away on a nose candy trip is also dishonest.

I think Nuke’s vacation hitting the slopes wouldn’t be included (could be wrong), but he is in fact injured now.

 

[Mubiki]

But thats nothing compared to the wild. Their injuries are unprecedented! Their announcers told us so last night!

Why are you lying on a hockey forum?

What they said was you had a lot of injuries, but not to your most important players, and certainly not at the same time. Unless there was a point where you were missing Mackinnon and your top 3 dmen at the same time, then what they said was objectively correct.

 

[Mubiki]

I don’t think that graph is a fair representation. I can imagine it includes Landeskog and Poolman who are still TBD if they’re ever playing another NHL game.

Avalanche have had some serious injury woes, granted. Just it’s not as monstrous of a difference as the chart suggests.

Of course it isn't.

This is one of those clear examples of how easy it is to create laughable narratives by perfectly selecting the right data.

I would maybe give them the benefit of the doubt if they hadn't tipped their hand by taking a shot at Minnesota by trying to compare Colorado's current injury list with Minnesota's. With all the proper context, such a comparison is utterly laughable. (For that game)

Also, it needs to pointed out that of you took cap into consideration, Minnesota's injuries are all somewhat more impactful, as we are missing 15 million dollars worth of players at default. (It's our own fault obviously, but it's still relevant)

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Gosh that sounds awful, are you OK?? Perhaps we should escalate this to Bettman.


Yeah you're right. I'll be honest, I originally had something far less nice there but tried to change it to something less inflammatory.

Been there. Carry on my uninflammatory friend.

 

[Michanko]

weird flex

 

[MardyBum]

Remember the good old days when not getting injured was a skill?

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Any chart that has Columbus under "healthy" is an unreliable chart

 

[SillyRabbit]

This chart seems wildly inaccurate.

The Canucks have been without:

#1 goaltender - Vezina caliber (Demko)
#1 center (Pettersson)
#1 center (Miller)
#1 defenceman - Norris winner (Hughes)
#2 defenceman (Hronek)

 

[NHLInjuryViz]

Counting Landeskog is dishonest. In fact, counting Nichushkin being away on a nose candy trip is also dishonest.

Nichushkin's suspension is not included. Obviously an unusual situation with Landeskog, but as long as he's still trying to come back, he's included.

 

[NHLInjuryViz]

I don’t think that graph is a fair representation. I can imagine it includes Landeskog and Poolman who are still TBD if they’re ever playing another NHL game.

Avalanche have had some serious injury woes, granted. Just it’s not as monstrous of a difference as the chart suggests.

Landeskog yes (still trying to return), Poolman no.

On the particular measure shown in that chart, about half of the Avalanche's total is down to Landeskog and it effectively assumes he'd be as good now as when he last played. I strongly doubt that'd be the case but it's basically an unprecedented situation and difficult to scribble every last caveat on a chart...

How do they determine the value of the loss? Especially like with the hawks. Some of these guys never really got a chance to see what value they could have.

Edit: it’s on the bottom of the graph. Can’t say I agree with that criteria or disagree. Weighted average war from 3.5 years ago to now. Weighted how?

All pretty arbitrary, admittedly, but it's weighted 3-2-1 based on recency, i.e. WAR from 23/24 and so far in 24/25 is counted three times more than that accrued in 21/22.

 

[NHLInjuryViz]

Habs led 3 years in a row prior.

Chart included by the OP doesn't show "raw" man games lost but for the sake of clarity, Montreal led that category in 21/22 and 22/23 but not in 23/24 (so led in aggregate over those three seasons).

was that because of the price and weber contracts?

Both excluded from my numbers from the start of the seasons they were understood to be retired, though that doesn't stop anybody else from counting them (which a sizeable number of Montreal fans do...)

 

[NHLInjuryViz]

Any chart that has Columbus under "healthy" is an unreliable chart

Well. it doesn't have them under healthy unless you apply the labels at each extreme to the centre of the chart (which is also a week old FWIW).

More specifically, that one is measuring value by WAR and, rightly or wrongly, the Blue Jackets haven't had many players who rank highly in that measure. Doesn't mean they haven't had had injuries. The loss of Gaudreau also not reflected here, which is obviously the most impactful.

 

[NHLInjuryViz]

This chart seems wildly inaccurate.

The Canucks have been without:

#1 goaltender - Vezina caliber (Demko)
#1 center (Pettersson)
#1 center (Miller)
#1 defenceman - Norris winner (Hughes)
#2 defenceman (Hronek)

Miller's absence wasn't technically due to injury, so not reflected here.

OP picked a chart that uses xGF% as the team performance measure, so goalie injuries are excluded from that one (since they aren't really relevant to xGF%).

Hughes and Pettersson didn't miss that many games (and that chart was from a week ago, so doesn't include all of those either).

 

[PaulD]

Leafs for sure are fortunate to still be in 1st in Atlantic despite missing both Woll and Stolarz for big stretches, Matthews most of the year, McCabe our best dman twice has been out with concussions, and all the forward injuries (our third line at one point was A. Nylander - Minten - Grybenkin lol).

Berube should be an Adams finalist for that reason IMO. Can't say he deserves to win over Carbery though

McCabe ....lol. Big loss. Don't forget Max Domi.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Probably pretty telling that no names were listed.