Prospect Info: At 19th Overall the Sharks Select Josh Norris

[PacificOceanPotion]

Heh. Guess we will see.

Ok..

 

[Tkachuk4MVP]

From what I remember the Couture pick also sucked according to GM HF.

 

[Levie]

Heh. Guess we will see.

Cool next time can you draft someone you see a little of McDavid's attributes? Thanks. Bye.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

I still think this is an awful pick, but this guy did completely dominate the NHL combine.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/2017-nhl-combine-results-top-10-drill/

 

[hohosaregood]

From what I remember the Couture pick also sucked according to GM HF.

Let's be real, do we even like Couture?

 

[Juxtaposer]

From what I remember the Couture pick also sucked according to GM HF.

Logan Couture scored 78 points in 54 games in the CHL. I wasn't on HF at the time but I feel confident I would have been okay with it.

 

[do0glas]

Let's be real, do we even like Couture?

I love cooch.

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

I like this pick. Have to see how he does at summer camp , then UofM in the fall.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Alright, if anyone wants a positive take on Norris:

https://canucksarmy.com/2017/06/03/nation-network-prospect-profile-30-joshua-norris/

 

[Antbox530]

Heh. Guess we will see.

Except couture scored well over a point a game....

 

[hohosaregood]

I love cooch.

but for the most part no one really has him down as a real leader for the next generation of sharks. he's always like a "so and so...AND Couture"

 

[OrrNumber4]

Cue typical reactions. Fact is that this draft leveled out after the top 5 or 6 players so I have no problem with the Sharks taking a fast, high IQ two-way forward. They have, historically, put a lot of stock in the combine testing and this guy was one of the top performers. Good pick by the Sharks.

Patty Ice cooling the panic as always.

 

[T0uGh C0oki3]

Except couture scored well over a point a game....

He was PPG at US-U18.......

 

[do0glas]

but for the most part no one really has him down as a real leader for the next generation of sharks. he's always like a "so and so...AND Couture"

True enough, but he gets underrated around here. Imo anyway.

 

[hohosaregood]

True enough, but he gets underrated around here. Imo anyway.

It's true but it's not particularly wrong either.

 

[Antbox530]

He was PPG at US-U18.......

In a weak year. He was highest ranked at 26 and lowest at 70 something. Let's be real, it was a reach. They easily could've traded down and still got him

 

[OrrNumber4]

From what I remember the Couture pick also sucked according to GM HF.

It was the trade up more than anything. Always creates a double-blow effect.

For first round picks, I would generally say:

Michalek, Bernier, and Petrecki were uproariously celebrated.
Kaspar, Wishart, and Goldobin were met with general indifference to mild optimism.
Couture and Meier were met with moderate criticisms.
Coyle, Hertl, Mueller, and Setoguchi...it was like the Sharks had been relocated.

The Setoguchi one stings the most. The distaste that guys like Hertl and on faced can largely be chalked up to different social trends, where hyperbole rules the day, intransigence is celebrated, and Dunning-Kruger is in full effect. But this board in 2005 was much less reactionary and balked strongly when the Sharks passed over Kopitar.

In a weak year. He was highest ranked at 26 and lowest at 70 something. Let's be real, it was a reach. They easily could've traded down and still got him

There hasn't been too much movement, no? Dallas gave up a 70th to move up a few spots; don't think the Sharks would have gotten much.

 

[Tkachuk4MVP]

Logan Couture scored 78 points in 54 games in the CHL. I wasn't on HF at the time but I feel confident I would have been okay with it.

There's ALWAYS someone better that we should've picked instead, it's been an annual tradition on this board for as long as I can remember.

Alright, if anyone wants a positive take on Norris:

https://canucksarmy.com/2017/06/03/nation-network-prospect-profile-30-joshua-norris/

Much appreciated Jux! This may very well be a bad pick, my point was that I have no clue how to assess it because I'm not that knowledgeable about prospects and this board gets upset about literally every first round pick we make.

 

[Juxtaposer]

There's ALWAYS someone better that we should've picked instead, it's been an annual tradition on this board for as long as I can remember.



Much appreciated Jux! This may very well be a bad pick, my point was that I have no clue how to assess it because I'm not that knowledgeable about prospects and this board gets upset about literally every first round pick we make.

Yeah, looking at the stats, I've backed off the ledge somewhat. Perhaps I was too dependent on the eye test.

 

[The Nemesis]

Aaaand the terrible drafting continues. Taking a late 2nd/early 3rd round guy at 19. Great work, fellas!

Been saying it forever - fire Burke.

There were several scouting services/rankings that had him as a mid-20s to early 2nd rounder.

But don't let that get in the way of a good rant, I guess.

EDIT:
CSB: 34th
ISS: 26th
Future Considerations: 66th
Bob McKenzie: 23rd
McKeen's 28th
Cory Pronman/ESPN: 40th
Craig Button/TSN: N/R, but Button only does a top 30
HockeyProspect: 45th (in final black book)

That's 1 3rd round ranking, 3 1st round rankings, 2 high 2nd rankings, and 1 mid 2nd ranking.

Yep. Totally a "late 2nd/early 3rd" ranked player.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

There were several scouting services/rankings that had him as a mid-20s to early 2nd rounder.

But don't let that get in the way of a good rant, I guess.

That is exactly where I had him. He was definitely a reach where we drafted him though. Hard to argue that.

 

[T0uGh C0oki3]

In a weak year. He was highest ranked at 26 and lowest at 70 something. Let's be real, it was a reach. They easily could've traded down and still got him

Obviously, if I am DW at that position I would have picked a different player.

However, I think he is still worth a 1st round pick. I saw him play before, he is nothing flashy but his skillset is 1st round worthy.

 

[Levie]

Alright, if anyone wants a positive take on Norris:

https://canucksarmy.com/2017/06/03/nation-network-prospect-profile-30-joshua-norris/

https://canucksarmy.com/2017/06/12/nation-network-prospect-profile-12-kailer-yamamoto/

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

With the way this board kills every first round draft pick we make, I don't know what to think.

Well i mean, they killed the Couture, Hertl and Coyle picks at the time.

The only 2 times i can remember this board being happy is Goldobin and Nick Petrecki

So since the board likes the pick, theres a chance he'll be good.

If you get a 2C at 19 in a weak draft, id call that a win

EDIT: Nems post indicates that McKenzies rankings (based on NHL scouts) had him at 23... meaning that most NHL scouts had him higher than the "rankings list"

Cliffs: Its not a bad pick

 

[Kcoyote3]

I still think this is an awful pick, but this guy did completely dominate the NHL combine.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/2017-nhl-combine-results-top-10-drill/

Could bode well in the future. Hope he catches the "it" bug and turns all of those physical attributes into some more scoring touch. He's going to be going to Michigan for awhile, maybe he'll dominate the hell out of it. Who knows.