Prospect Info: At 16th Overall the Rangers Select Brennan Othmann

[Synergy27]

Hodgson was garbage, slow and plodding.

Not in the O.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

This kid would certainly not have been my pick if I was making the decisions but he’s really shown out this year. Definitely not in a rush to move him

 

[Synergy27]

The NFL tries to do this with the Wonderlick but in my view it's stupid. It's a test of academic acumen not football acumen.

Yeah, I’m not picturing a written test. I think there are on ice situational things that you can put kids into to assess their awareness.

 

[DudMan28]

How does his skating look this year? Wasn't that the big knock on him on draft day was that he wasn't an explosive skater? Curious if it has improved so far

 

[Edge]

How does his skating look this year? Wasn't that the big knock on him on draft day was that he wasn't an explosive skater? Curious if it has improved so far

I think he gets to the spots he needs to get to in order to be successful.

The skating is just fine, especially because he has a nose for positioning. In other words he's not out there skating in circles trying to figure out where he needs to be offensively.

He'll get bigger, he'll get stronger, he'll get faster. But his positioning and his ability to get his shot off is what is going to drive his success.

 

[cwede]

surprising he ain't on Canada's WJC announced group

 

[EdJovanovski]

surprising he ain't on Canada's WJC announced group

This sucks

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Othmann not even being invited to camp makes no sense. I wonder if there's some behind the scenes stuff with him and Hockey Canada because as far as on ice performance he should 100% be at the camp and should have had a good shot at making the team.

 

[rangers1314]

Othmann not even being invited to camp makes no sense. I wonder if there's some behind the scenes stuff with him and Hockey Canada because as far as on ice performance he should 100% be at the camp and should have had a good shot at making the team.

Yeah I don't get this.

Could this have anything to do with him going over to the Swiss league last year?

 

[kovazub94]

surprising he ain't on Canada's WJC announced group

Othmann just reported leaving CHL to go play in the KHL...

 

[Thirty One]

Yeah I don't get this.

Could this have anything to do with him going over to the Swiss league last year?

No of course not.

Canada has a ton of forwards. There are 4-5 names that people are up in arms about not getting invited. If they were invited, there would be 4-5 names that would be bumped that people would be mad about.

Brandt Clarke, I can't figure out though.

 

[cwede]

Yeah I don't get this. Could this have anything to do with him going over to the Swiss league last year?

it shouldn't, OHL didn't even play,
and being undrafted, he didn't have any pro affiliation
but who knows...

at W18's he was 7th among F's in G,A,Pts
Canada U18 at eliteprospects.com

 

[GAGLine]

Yeah I don't get this.

Could this have anything to do with him going over to the Swiss league last year?

I can't imagine it does. The OHL didn't play last year, and he's back playing in the OHL this year. I can't see Hockey Canada holding a grudge when he didn't have a choice.

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

Definitely should have received an invite. I don't think he should be a lock to make the team.
Mctavish (L) - Perfetti (L) - Bourque (R)
Greig (L) - Johnson (L) - Guenther (R)
Neighbours (L) - Lapierre (L) - Stankoven (R)
Cuylle (L) - Wright - ???


Tyson Foerster didn't make the cut either.

Clarke is a much bigger snub. Aside from Power, there is no one else I'd rather have.

 

[nyr2k2]

Well, hopefully he's the kind of kid who will feel slighted by this and go out and play with a big chip on his shoulder the rest of the year. He has looked great all year, IMO, so I'd love to see what he could do shifting into another gear (although, he could really use some help).

 

[eco's bones]

Othmann should use this as motivation for the rest of his season.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Maybe team canada didnt pick him because its not his last year eligible for the tournament? Idk very weird

 

[Hinterland]

it shouldn't, OHL didn't even play,
and being undrafted, he didn't have any pro affiliation
but who knows...

at W18's he was 7th among F's in G,A,Pts
Canada U18 at eliteprospects.com

He started that tournament slowly but had 2 Goals and 2 assists over the three knockout games.

Also, Othmann is worth so much more than just points. He was drawing by far the most penalties, he's got the obvious chemistry with Shane Wright, he's a big hitter and he's great against the puck. Unfortunately, Wright missed a game due to injury and Guenther played an absolute stinker of a tournament. If it wasn't for Guenther being glued to them, Wright and Othmann could have done better.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah I don't get this.

Could this have anything to do with him going over to the Swiss league last year?

I shared this elsewhere, but HockeyCanada never reached out to any of the players in Erie, Saginaw or Flint (The 3 US-based OHL teams). I know the whole "but pandemic" shtick is used for everything but I think they really dropped the ball here. NHL scouts still reach out to these kids through Zoom. Why can't HC scouts do the same? It's a lame excuse.

 

[cwede]

Ryan Kennedy
@THNRyanKennedy
OHL Flint suspends activities after 11 members of the organization test positive for Covid. All are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms
11:12 AM · Dec 17, 2021

 

[Miamipuck]

I know a lot of people didn't like this pick. I don't scout and do not pretend to watch JR games other than the WJC. What didn't they like about him, and 2 were those concerns largely squashed with his great start to the season?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I know a lot of people didn't like this pick. I don't scout and do not pretend to watch JR games other than the WJC. What didn't they like about him, and 2 were those concerns largely squashed with his great start to the season?

I always felt most people disliked the pick solely because he's not a center. Then there's some ridiculous tweets about his "lack of scoring growth" based on an inconclusive model (I'll link it below) and Ranger fans just ran with it.

McKenzie had him ranked 16th. See the info below from Eliteprospects:

I think there was a huge overreaction based on misleading information and perceived need for the organization. Othmann is a good prospect and 16th overall, he was a good selection. You can argue whether Svechkov or Lucius would have been better but it's not like we reached for a player like OTT did with Tyler Boucher at 10th overall.

Also, when you look into his production a bit more, and dissect it (which these graphs below never take into account) you can see a clearer picture.

Here's my reaction in response to that tweet in particular:

I think these metrics are a bit shaky with a player who went from juniors to the Swiss 2nd tier of pro hockey. It's hard to apply those metrics on such a weird trajectory.

Then there's the way his season unfolded Started out with 15 points in 17 games, before going cold with 0 in 13, but his team was 0-4-9 including an 8 game losing streak in those 13 games Once the team recovered, Othmann's production picked up again with 3 points in his final 8

3.18 G/GP during the 11-4-2 streak where he had 15 points
2.76 G/GP during the 4-9-0 streak where he had 0 points
4.00 G/GP during the 5-1-2 streak where he had 3 points

I don't expect a 17-year old draft eligible kid to carry a pro team when they hit a cold streak

 

[Miamipuck]

I always felt most people disliked the pick solely because he's not a center. Then there's some ridiculous tweets about his "lack of scoring growth" based on an inconclusive model (I'll link it below) and Ranger fans just ran with it.

McKenzie had him ranked 16th. See the info below from Eliteprospects:

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I think there was a huge overreaction based on misleading information and perceived need for the organization. Othmann is a good prospect and 16th overall, he was a good selection. You can argue whether Svechkov or Lucius would have been better but it's not like we reached for a player like OTT did with Tyler Boucher at 10th overall.

Also, when you look into his production a bit more, and dissect it (which these graphs below never take into account) you can see a clearer picture.

Here's my reaction in response to that tweet in particular:

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

I don't understand the last tweet comparing growth from a Jr league to an adult league, that's somewhat absurd to me. Did he have the same opinion with Auston Matthews? lol

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

I don't understand the last tweet comparing growth from a Jr league to an adult league, that's somewhat absurd to me. Did he have the same opinion with Auston Matthews? lol

That's why that entire model is inconclusive here. I looked it up. Want to guess how many non-Swiss players actually played in the Swiss league in their draft year?

2 players and they combined for 3 total games. So yeah, hardly enough data to go off of. The sentence "The lack of scoring growth is a near death sentence" is f***ing ridiculous and based on a quick glance at season totals.

 

[DudMan28]

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

I don't understand the last tweet comparing growth from a Jr league to an adult league, that's somewhat absurd to me. Did he have the same opinion with Auston Matthews? lol

I'm assuming there is some kind of scale depending on the league, age, etc. So 1.5 P/GP in JRs might scale to .5 P/GP in another league. Guess it's saying he should've been able to score more in the Swiss league to show growth.

My biggest gripe with these kinds of charts is that they are posted with such conviction and almost never revisited. This guy posts his chart and suddenly the hockey world hates our pick.