He was at a 1.25 PPG the year before missing the whole season and at a 1.47 PPG for a 1/2 season the year after. What PPG do want to give him for those missed games?
Assuming Kucherov wins third Art Ross, he is above which of these groups of players...
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He was at a 1.25 PPG the year before missing the whole season and at a 1.47 PPG for a 1/2 season the year after. What PPG do want to give him for those missed games?
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My claim was roughly accurate, hence the use of the word “basically”. You love arguing semantics when your arguments and narratives get batted away.
Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin "basically" dominated the league at a level higher than the quartet has from '05 to '15.
Let’s put it this way, is anyone putting MacKinnon on this level as well? MacKinnon is a better player than Kucherov.
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The damage they did during that period of time was less significant than the 2020s quartet. They have not been able to dominate consistently year after year like MKMD because of injuries and poor play.
TheGoldenJet
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MacKinnon was pacing to beat him for the Ross, but he felt compelled to go win a best on best tournament MVP in the middle of his season while Kucherov got to rest, which ended up costing him the Ross.
Yea no question mackinnon is the better player overall.
Kuch is slightly better at putting up pts but mackinnon is the best player in transition in his era (yes better than mcdavid even)
I would say both are neck and neck all time but mackinnon has routinely been voted as a better player by his peers, which isn't perfect but is the best thing we have. Both guys have potential to end up top 25 all time
MacKinnon has never proven in any season that he is better than Kucherov.
MacKinnon's biggest problem is that he is very predictable, and it is much easier to stop him than Kucherov.
And this is the reason why MacKinnon will never be at McDavid's level, because 97, in addition to his speed and skills, has a head on his shoulders. MacKinnon is too straightforward. And his legacy will age very poorly.
Look at MacKinnon's stats in games with the top 8. When teams play tighter, he has very big problems in attack. And this situation is not the first year.
Mackinnon is one of the top 10 for fastest to 100 playoff points, all time.
Predictable or not, they can't stop him
No, MacKinnon is a good player, probably even the second best in Colorado. But Pastrnak is also a great player, or Draisaitl. Or even Barkov (if you want to list MacKinnon's defensive play as a plus). There are a lot of underrated players, among which MacKinnon does not stand out, except for the fact that he is Canadian.
People who know the game, aka nhl players agree that Mackinnon is #2 forward behind mcdavid.
Pasta is not even close to Mackinnon. I don't even think a diehard bruins fan would argue that.
Barkov is also amazing. But mackinnon his is not.
Draisaitl will go down as one of the best players of this generation and could very well have 2 harts, 2 rockets and an art ross after this season. He is right there with mackinnon and kuch after mcdavid.
The most questioned experts, how did you meet from North America. And the majority always prefers a fellow countryman. To win, you really need to be a cut above. Because if this is somewhat debatable, then in 9 out of 10 cases the victory will go to the local man. To his credit, MacKinnon is a really good player, and he does not allow anyone to look a cut above.
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No he wasn’t. Kucherov was ahead of him in PPG for most of the season, but was usually a handful of games played behind due to some missed games and the Lightning always having had played fewer games at any random date of the season.
I don’t know if Kucherov is playing today, but as it stands, he’s going to win by at least 5 points while playing 1 or 2 fewer games.
Now that years of whining about getting edged on the 2017-2018 Hart are over, will this be the new fake battle cry for the more overzealous MacKinnon fans on these boards?
Panthaz89
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He literally beat McDavid back in 2018 with 128 points....back when only 6 players even cracked 100.
The take that NHL players themselves seemed to agree with. If points were the only thing that mattered then Kucherov would be a hair better.
Depends on how much you value others players’ opinions. There are a lot of dumb athletes out there. We see it all the time when they get hired as analysts on shows and often times the ex-players are the ones with the absolute worst takes.
That clearly doesn’t apply to this comparison with MacKinnon though. Advanced stats and eye test give him a slight but firm edge over Kucherov.
However, I think at the end of the day his results in the regular season and playoffs are staggering, and outscoring MacKinnon and McDavid two seasons in a row at 30 and 31 as the slower and less physically gifted player by far is impressive as hell. I don’t think Tampa or Colorado fans would trade one for the other.
