That's an absolutely huuuuuuuge "if". Which is the point.
Brady so far has been a 60 point guy, Marner 100 points.
Have Brady actually perform at this level for more than one half season to convince people of his level moving forward, and then we'll talk.
As for Marner - last season he paced for 110+ points. But we're assuming he's a 95 point guy moving forward right?
Whats next - Rantanen vs Hyman poll? Close production, only 3 years difference in age. Lets make a poll?
HF is ridiculus sometimes
i've never seen a Leafs player get underrated in a poll like this before
I guess there's a first time for everything
Marner is the better player.
Hes also more than 2.6 million better.
You cant even count properly.Age 21 season:
Marner 94 points in 82 games, Tkachuk pace of 52 points in 82 games
Age 22 season:
Marner pace of 93 points in 82 games, Tkachuk pace of 69 points in 82 games
Age 23 season:
Marner pace of 100 points in 82 games, Tkachuk pace of 82 points per 82 games
Age 24 season:
Marner pace of 111 poitns in 82 games - Tkachuk ???
Do you think this somehow helps Tkachuk to compare age for age?
This is Marner, by a very significant gap.
The poll says different. The arguments in this thread say different. The style of play and how unique Brady is says different. Seems like you're in the minority here.Beyond Brady Tkachuk being cheaper, which has nothing to do with who the better player is, there is no legitimate argument for him over Marner you can't make it, It's impossible.
Not really relevant. Marner was drafted 3 years before Tkachuk and has 3 more years of development .Marner is 2 years and 4 months older
The poll says different. The arguments in this thread say different. The style of play and how unique Brady is says different. Seems like you're in the minority here.
Lol come on man. The poll is quite clearly from here on out. What they did 3 years ago when one player is 3 drafts ahead has nothing to do with the future. No one cares what you bought the house for 5 years ago. Its what its worth now and moving forward. Fact of the matter is Tkachuk is younger, is locked up for 3 more years at a way lower cap hit. He has closed the gap as they both get closer to their primes.The poll is wrong, because everything they have done in their careers up to this point prove the poll wrong
Lol come on man. The poll is quite clearly from here on out. What they did 3 years ago when one player is 3 drafts ahead has nothing to do with the future. No one cares what you bought the house for 5 years ago. Its what its worth now and moving forward. Fact of the matter is Tkachuk is younger, is locked up for 3 more years at a way lower cap hit. He has closed the gap as they both get closer to their primes.
The poll is not wrong your fandom is impacting your ability to be impartial.
The questions isnt who the better player is over the tenure of their careers if so Marner would clearly be winning. Its who would you take going forward all things considered.
You are having a hard time being impartial. Its alot closer than you seem to think. Tkachuk is also more unique.The poll is wrong because there is zero argument that Brady is better than Marner, he isn't at all, being cheaper,or younger doesn't mean he's a better player, and short of a career ending injury for Marner he's not going to be anytime soon.
You are having a hard time being impartial. Its alot closer than you seem to think. Tkachuk is also more unique.
The poll is wrong, because everything they have done in their careers up to this point prove the poll wrong
The poll is wrong because there is zero argument that Brady is better than Marner, he isn't at all, being cheaper,or younger doesn't mean he's a better player, and short of a career ending injury for Marner he's not going to be anytime soon.
Explain your thought process to come up with this. That could be interesting
ok so another one with the inability to read?
Where does it say in the OP that it is about who is BETTER?
I give you 1000$ if you find it
Explain your thought process to come up with this. That could be interesting
ok so another one with the inability to read?
Where does it say in the OP that it is about who is BETTER?
I give you 1000$ if you find it
How exactly?
IF age and contracts are taken in consideration, what exactly is the argument for Marner considering this :
Marner is on pace for 95 pts at $10,903,000 AAV
Tkachuk is on pace for 84 pts at $8,205,714 AAV
13% more production for 33% more cap and only 2 years left (vs 5)
Can you explain this then?
Marner is on pace for 95 pts at $10,903,000 AAV
Tkachuk is on pace for 84 pts at $8,205,714 AAV
13% more production for 33% more cap
Is it because Marner plays PK? Well, Tkachuk is the ultimate pest who brings intimidation, toughness and all kind of intangibles. Ask people who played against him how much they liked it
Of course it is, otherwise about 64% of people would be knowingly, and willingly taking the objectively worse player and that would be a profoundly ridiculous thing to do.
fun fact: years other than this year exist
Object permanence - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
this is like the non Leafs version of last year when Leafs fans were hyperfocusing on only one year to pretend Matthews was close to McDavid then surprise surprise McDavid is back to being way ahead of him again this year
Marner has a 1.15 PPG this season. I don't know but it looks on par with his usual prime self
2018-19 : 1.15 PPG
2019-20 : 1.14 PPG
2020-21 : 1.22 PPG
2021-22 : 1.35 PPG
2022-23 : 1.15 PPG
OK so what makes you think that Tkachuk will regress and that Marner will progress in the near future?
Tkachuk just turned 23 y/o this season, he's on a team with evolving talent (and even better, might finally have NHL management and coaching with the imminent sale). What if he keeps playing with Tim Stutzle who scored 82 pts in 88 games while he was 20 years old? What if he plays with 2-way center Josh Norris who scored 47 goals in 91 games while he was 21-22 y/o?
All of a sudden what they did 3 years ago is relevant.......
8 million is a lot to pay a passenger on a line. If he is only breaking PPG by playing with those two, he is overpaid.
Matthew Tkachuk 27 GP 15 Pts
Keith Tkachuk 89GP 56 Pts
The funny thing is the family chokes harder in playoffs than Marner despite their “playoff style”
What do they have to do with Brady???Matthew Tkachuk 27 GP 15 Pts
Keith Tkachuk 89GP 56 Pts
The funny thing is the family chokes harder in playoffs than Marner despite their “playoff style”
I got this same feeling watching Keith alot in his time in Winnipeg.Matthew Tkachuk 27 GP 15 Pts
Keith Tkachuk 89GP 56 Pts
The funny thing is the family chokes harder in playoffs than Marner despite their “playoff style”
He literally leads the team in points. In what way is he a passenger?All of a sudden what they did 3 years ago is relevant.......
8 million is a lot to pay a passenger on a line. If he is only breaking PPG by playing with those two, he is overpaid.
While I don't care to get into this debate, you've said this twice now and it's factually incorrect. Marner has never broken 100 points. Yes I know he likely would've done it had he played 82 games last year but the fact is that you can't label him a 100 point player of he hasn't done it yet.That's an absolutely huuuuuuuge "if". Which is the point.
Brady so far has been a 60 point guy, Marner 100 points.
Have Brady actually perform at this level for more than one half season to convince people of his level moving forward, and then we'll talk.
As for Marner - last season he paced for 110+ points. But we're assuming he's a 95 point guy moving forward right?
Whats next - Rantanen vs Hyman poll? Close production, only 3 years difference in age. Lets make a poll?
HF is ridiculus sometimes