Confirmed Trade: [ARZ/MIN] Hanzal (50%), White, 2017 4th FOR 2017 1st, 2018 2nd, 2019 4th*, G. Downing

[TheKingPin]

Obviously, it wasn't.

If he was worth just two 2nds, then that's what it would've cost the Wild. Besides, the 1st should be very late one in what's been described as a bad to mediocre draft. What Arizona REALLY wanted was one of the Wild's top prospects, glad Fletcher held firm and didn't cave into that.

Its good he didnt trade a high end prospect, but I have a feeling that if he did wild fans would be on here defending that as well, arguing they have a lot and they are at least 1-2 years away while we need to win now. The wild are winning now. They do not NEED Hanzal to win. With a 1st a 2nd and another 2nd you are not too far off getting Couts who is signed, young and as ideal a 3C as there is in the NHL. I mean look at what Shatty got in return!

 

[Bazeek]

Its good he didnt trade a high end prospect, but I have a feeling that if he did wild fans would be on here defending that as well, arguing they have a lot and they are at least 1-2 years away while we need to win now. The wild are winning now. They do not NEED Hanzal to win. With a 1st a 2nd and another 2nd you are not too far off getting Couts who is signed, young and as ideal a 3C as there is in the NHL. I mean look at what Shatty got in return!

I can assure you that Wild fans would be right pissed if Fletcher gave up Eriksson-Ek, Kaprizov, Kunin, Greenway, Tuch, Olofsson or Reilly. The picks are a good return for Arizona, but something Minnesota can afford to give up.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Its good he didnt trade a high end prospect, but I have a feeling that if he did wild fans would be on here defending that as well, arguing they have a lot and they are at least 1-2 years away while we need to win now. The wild are winning now. They do not NEED Hanzal to win. With a 1st a 2nd and another 2nd you are not too far off getting Couts who is signed, young and as ideal a 3C as there is in the NHL. I mean look at what Shatty got in return!

you'd see a riot if Kaprizov, JEE, Kunin or Greenway was traded. Probably some rationalizing if it was Tuch, but still likely 50% pist.

 

[Bookman]

White has a nice Wild debut with a goal and assist

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

If he traded a prospect (good one) I would riot

 

[Curufinwe]

Its good he didnt trade a high end prospect, but I have a feeling that if he did wild fans would be on here defending that as well, arguing they have a lot and they are at least 1-2 years away while we need to win now. The wild are winning now. They do not NEED Hanzal to win. With a 1st a 2nd and another 2nd you are not too far off getting Couts who is signed, young and as ideal a 3C as there is in the NHL. I mean look at what Shatty got in return!

Yes, you are. Hextall is in no position to move his only center aged under 25 for picks. You're trying to defend your negative opinion of this trade by making claims that have no basis in reality.

Also, the Wild have enough expansion draft issues without adding another forward they would need to protect.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Its good he didnt trade a high end prospect, but I have a feeling that if he did wild fans would be on here defending that as well, arguing they have a lot and they are at least 1-2 years away while we need to win now. The wild are winning now. They do not NEED Hanzal to win. With a 1st a 2nd and another 2nd you are not too far off getting Couts who is signed, young and as ideal a 3C as there is in the NHL. I mean look at what Shatty got in return!

Incorrect.

 

[TheHardTruth*]

This trade is looking worse and worse. I understand that Hanzal's value is mostly as a defensive center, but the Wild gave up way too much for someone with a limited offensive game.

He's been invisible for a few games now. I don't see how having two 4th line centers on the same team helps in the playoffs.

 

[EdwardTK]

This trade is looking worse and worse. I understand that Hanzal's value is mostly as a defensive center, but the Wild gave up way too much for someone with a limited offensive game.

He's been invisible for a few games now. I don't see how having two 4th line centers on the same team helps in the playoffs.

Quote from Wild forum:

Hanzal is supposed to play a 3rd line shutdown the other teams top lines role and he has done that well so far.If you are expecting him to put up a lot of points you're gonna be disappointed he gets 1 or 2 goals every dozen game and an assist or two every 3 or 4 games.

Wild is all in this year, sure they overpaid but i think Hanzal doing what is expected.

 

[Sens]

Hanzal's job is to shutdown the opponents 1C come playoff time.
If you're expecting points you are not doing it right.

By acquiring Hanzal the Wild also don't have to face him in the playoffs by an opponent acquiring him

 

[XX]

This trade is looking worse and worse. I understand that Hanzal's value is mostly as a defensive center, but the Wild gave up way too much for someone with a limited offensive game.

He's been invisible for a few games now. I don't see how having two 4th line centers on the same team helps in the playoffs.

Have you never watched a defensive center work? How's your familiarity with matchups and how important they are?

 

[sunnyvale]

Hanzal's job is to shutdown the opponents 1C come playoff time.
If you're expecting points you are not doing it right.

By acquiring Hanzal the Wild also don't have to face him in the playoffs by an opponent acquiring him

So you gave up a first to not play HANZAL in the playoffs...

 

[ThatGuy22]

This trade is looking worse and worse. I understand that Hanzal's value is mostly as a defensive center, but the Wild gave up way too much for someone with a limited offensive game.

He's been invisible for a few games now. I don't see how having two 4th line centers on the same team helps in the playoffs.

He's got 3 points in 5 games, playing a defensive role. That's basically his career norm in the extremely small sample size he's been here.

What were you expecting?

 

[SAADfather]

Hanzal's job is to shutdown the opponents 1C come playoff time.
If you're expecting points you are not doing it right.

By acquiring Hanzal the Wild also don't have to face him in the playoffs by an opponent acquiring him

Exactly. They overpaid for sure but Hanzal definitely addresses a need. Last two games against the Hawks, Boudreau had the Koviu line matched up against the Kane line and then Toews went off (4g 8pts in 2 games). Hanzal is going to be a key if they want to finally get by Chicago.

 

[Sens]

So you gave up a first to not play HANZAL in the playoffs...

For sure... better to have him then a team like Chicago.

 

[gwh]

White is a long term keep with reasonable trade value.

Hanzal is a 3mil x3y 35pt defensive center.

Very reasonable trade, especially so if we can keep White in the summer.

 

[Drew311]

Seems like the Wild's offense has been cold since the TDL. Definitely not Hanzal's fault, but weird timing.

 

[AZviaNJ]

White is a long term keep with reasonable trade value.

Hanzal is a 3mil x3y 35pt defensive center.

Very reasonable trade, especially so if we can keep White in the summer.

If Hanzal was a 3x3 player, the trade never happens as he signs with AZ before the TDL. His camp wants at least 5x6m range, with no other FA C's available, he'll get close to that....at least 4 years/$20m.

 

[Evolution of Evil]

Seems like the Wild's offense has been cold since the TDL. Definitely not Hanzal's fault, but weird timing.

We also had the mandatory bye week at the same time as the TDL.

 

[DANOZ28]

while i get that we could afford to give up so much im still bummed we did. too much for a 3rd line center & 4th line winger. if by some miracle we win the cup everyone can jump up & down how smart & wonderful is our gmcf. i think he overpaid & may have made a mistake.

 

[rynryn]

if this is a mistake it's of the OH MY GOD HE PICKED WHO WITH THAT 5th ROUND PICK?! variety. I know some folks get upset at that but come on.

 

[gwh]

If Hanzal was a 3x3 player, the trade never happens as he signs with AZ before the TDL. His camp wants at least 5x6m range, with no other FA C's available, he'll get close to that....at least 4 years/$20m.

Yes. People can want many things. Not a 5mil center, unless he is hurt right now.

3x3 is what I would offer.

 

[oooooooooohCanada]

Yes. People can want many things. Not a 5mil center, unless he is hurt right now.

3x3 is what I would offer.

And you wouldn't get him at that price.

 

[Sens]

Yes. People can want many things. Not a 5mil center, unless he is hurt right now.

3x3 is what I would offer.

Hahahaha
I'd easily offer him 5x5 as a Sens fan but that would not get him

 

[DomiToDuclair]

Drafting has gotten significantly better than the 1990-2009 era and I'm okay with this deal. Don't know stats but there's certainly been a higher percentage of top 60 players making the NHL recently and if even one of the players we draft becomes a top 6er it'll be a good trade, even better if 2 or more make it.

Seems to me about 50% of 1st round picks make it as a steady player so far and probably about 30% of top 60 picks make it looking at hockeydb stats, so I'd say potentially having 3 of those picks makes it a decent enough chance of getting a good player. Our scouting has been pretty good lately as well.