trade is all about slowing down toews if they play chicago in the playoffs. if it works its a good deal if not its a few lottery tickets thrown away. gotta go for it when your having this kind of year. wild team is set with players and prospects for the next 5 years anyway.
Confirmed Trade: [ARZ/MIN] Hanzal (50%), White, 2017 4th FOR 2017 1st, 2018 2nd, 2019 4th*, G. Downing
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Curufinwe
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Could be far better, but it also could be far worse.
I agree with you, the Wild are giving up a decent chance of drafting a top 6 player of the future in this trade. But they are getting back a guaranteed solid top 9 forward (not to mention also another guy who will get a shot to be a 4th line contributor)
I guess in our situation, gunning for a Cup, I'll take a guaranteed top 9 guy right now rather than a chance at a top 6 guy later.
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Go to the main board and look at the preseason prediction thread... at least half if not more, were predicting the Wild to miss the playoffs. Most of those seemed to have them in the bottom 2 of the division.
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Hey, there are times when you watch him play and you think "this kid has skill and should be a top 6 player!" Then he goes into his normal level of play where he has no impact either good or bad, you forget he's even on they ice and you realize why he's just a fringe NHL player.
It's entertaining though to see fans react to his game... When he goes on one of his streaks, there are always fans ready to declare that he's finally going to become that great player his first round draft status said he should. You remind them that he always does that and always vanishes and they think you are the crazy one... until the inevitable happens and he does the usual vanishing act again...
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That's my thinking. I would have been beside myself if they had traded any of our " big 4" ( Ek, Kunin, Kaprizov, Greenway...actually Olofsson, too) for Hanzal/ White. A mid first would've been tough to give up. A late first? That's a player, if you're lucky, that is a bottom sixer 4-5 years from now. Wild will probably have to trade a couple of decent players this summer, and can always recoup picks in those deals.
I'm surprised that ARI didn't insist on a Sokolov, Reilly, or even a Graovac.
Schroeder is nice to put out there against fast teams like CHI and PITT. He and Haula on the same line are crazy fast. As stated earlier, he'll tease you with a really good game, but will then vanish.
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Wild getting to the point where the roster might be good enough to take their game to the Hawks instead of vice versa.
They are losing a top 4 D after this year no matter what. I like they are actually going for it for their fans.
Staal, Parise, Pominville, Suter don't have long. Basically 3 2nds for the best defensive center available.
They are losing a top 4 D after this year no matter what. I like they are actually going for it for their fans.
Staal, Parise, Pominville, Suter don't have long. Basically 3 2nds for the best defensive center available.
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The Wild don't need a "decent chance" at a top six player several years from now. They need a bottom six center now.
Edit: gphr513 beat me to it :/
WUT?
Minny's centers are now Staal, Koivu, Hanzal and Haula. That's pretty deep and big
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WUT?
Minny's centers are now Staal, Koivu, Hanzal and Haula. That's pretty deep and big
Granlund and Coyle are alternative centers
Apparently this deal was in the works for days. Arizona was pressing for Eriksson-Ek or Kunin, Fletcher was dead set against that happening. This according to Russo on KFAN.
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Great point. Aside from the obvious playoff defeats, Toews has owned them the last two games and I think that was a big factor here.
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Makes the return look even better w/o having to give up one of them and still get Hanzal and White.
KInd of surprised that ARI didn't want a lesser, but still attractive piece like Reilly, Sokolov, or even a Graovac.
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Never said the trade was not good for the wild playoffs. It's just a lot to give up. One would think 2 2nds would be more than enough.
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Obviously, it wasn't.
If he was worth just two 2nds, then that's what it would've cost the Wild. Besides, the 1st should be very late one in what's been described as a bad to mediocre draft. What Arizona REALLY wanted was one of the Wild's top prospects, glad Fletcher held firm and didn't cave into that.
The further out the picks, they lower their value. One of the picks is 3 drafts away... at the earliest, that doesn't turn into an NHL player (if ever) until 2022. If that pick ends up being in the 2nd round, do you think anyone will care about a pick considering that means the Wild have at least made it to the WCF?
I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that there are many teams in this league that should not be paying more than two 2nds (or whatever) for Martin Hanzal, either because they don't particularly need him, are not in a great position to really use him or have a greater need for their early picks in the next few drafts. But the Wild aren't those teams.
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LOL, good luck with that. Toews is in God mode and no amounts of Hanzals can stop him.
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