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Player Discussion Artemi Panarin

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Agreed, he is looking so much better. He may just need a coach like torts or lavy to stay on top of him to play his best.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
All because had 1(!) bad post-season in his career, in a 7-game series where 80% of the team refused to show up
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Yeah, but it wasn't one of those situations where he even tried to put the team on his shoulders and carry it, which is what you kind of expect your highest-paid, most-talented player to try to do when the team doesn't show up. Not saying it would have made a difference, but you'd like to see Panarin still produce despite everything else. He disappeared like the others.
 
duhmetreE said:
It was back to back poor showings.

I think it was more to do with our coaching though. He looks like 2019 Panarin again
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Panarin was fine in 2022. He put up 16 points in 20 games despite dealing with a lower back injury.

He was also fine in Chicago and Columbus. The 2023 post-season was an anomaly, and that was mainly due to the poor coaching. Zibanejad, Fox, Trouba, Tarasenko, Trocheck... They were all dog shit against the Devils.

For the first time since 2018-19, Panarin is playing under a coach that has a gameplan, that provides a structured approach. I don't care much for his production (Although it's nice). It's the way he's playing that is the big difference.
 
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duhmetreE said:
It was back to back poor showings.

I think it was more to do with our coaching though. He looks like 2019 Panarin again
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Panarin was fine in 2022. He put up 16 points in 20 games despite dealing with a lower back injury.

He was also fine in Chicago and Columbus. The 2023 post-season was an anomaly, and that was mainly due to the poor coaching. Zibanejad, Fox, Trouba, Tarasenko, Trocheck... They were all dog shit against the Devils.

For the first time since 2018-19, Panarin is playing under a coach that has a gameplan, that provides a structured approach. I don't care much for his production (Although it's nice). It's the way he's playing that is the big difference.
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You can't attribute all of his improvement to coaching. He's said that he was not happy with himself; he's re-energized, re-motivated, whatever you want to call it. Avoiding the middle of the ice doesn't come down to coaching.
 
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will1066 said:
You can't attribute all of his improvement to coaching. He's said that he was not happy with himself; he's re-energized, re-motivated, whatever you want to call it. Avoiding the middle of the ice doesn't come down to coaching.
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he said the same thing the year prior
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Panarin was fine in 2022. He put up 16 points in 20 games despite dealing with a lower back injury.

He was also fine in Chicago and Columbus. The 2023 post-season was an anomaly, and that was mainly due to the poor coaching. Zibanejad, Fox, Trouba, Tarasenko, Trocheck... They were all dog shit against the Devils.

For the first time since 2018-19, Panarin is playing under a coach that has a gameplan, that provides a structured approach. I don't care much for his production (Although it's nice). It's the way he's playing that is the big difference.
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IMO it's over-selling it if we just look at stats. He wasn't good or at the level we needed him to be. Strome and Copp being hurt didn't help either.

I do think coaching helps a lot. There's established structure and expectations. It's been drilled in with practicing and coaching/teaching. Something we never had under Gallant. Players were left to their own devices under Gallant.... The country club atmosphere crept in. I said it many times, we never looked like a 'team'. That's changed now
 
Something not really material to this conversation but worth remembering, Panarin was really good against Tampa Bay. Copp and Strome dropped the f*** dead that series and were both completely useless while Panarin actually looked pretty strong and dynamic.

Not that this changes anything but didn't want that fact to be lost to the sands of time.
 
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will1066 said:
Yeah, but it wasn't one of those situations where he even tried to put the team on his shoulders and carry it, which is what you kind of expect your highest-paid, most-talented player to try to do when the team doesn't show up. Not saying it would have made a difference, but you'd like to see Panarin still produce despite everything else. He disappeared like the others.
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Yeah but there are elite players whose team's fans could always complain about the same thing and I'm talking about SC players here (ie Crosby, Ovechkin, etc). It's the problem with small sample sizes. Panarin did fine in Chicago. He had no problem with Columbus in ousting the President Trophy Lightning.

There's no doubt he changed his playing style a little the past few seasons. Staying on the outside more, looking way too much for the cross-seam pass when it wasn't there and still trying to complete it. Slowing the game way down, so much that it made it easy on the defense. This year, so far, he's looked different to me. Playing downhill a little more. Not forcing things as much. Total shot attempts per game has increased too.

In the end, yeah it's going to be what he ends up doing in the playoffs. Always does but doesn't mean we shouldn't enjoy what he's doing now.
 
panarin has been wonderful. amazing what accountability will do to a player like this. tough love is still love. panarin has stopped his BS passes leading to giveaways and gone back to some wonderful cycle/o zone regroup plays. It has been great to watch.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
I give credit where credit is due. He has adjusted and is actually attacking again and playing the way he can. To me it just keeps showing how little the players actually respected Turk.
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Yeah I don't see the issue with calling a spade a spade.

He was awful in the playoffs last year and wasn't good the year before either. That is a trend that still needs to break.

He's been close to flawless this year. He absolutely ate up a good defenseman in Brodin on that 2v1 yesterday and his 2 point performance wasn't really indicative of how well he played in this game. He's had games that have been better than others but he hasn't had a bad game yet. I don't think he's even hit the half dozen mark in ill advised passes yet, he would cover that in a game last year.

What ever disengagement bug Kreider and Zibanejad have caught 5v5 hasn't infected Panarin. They should take notes.
 
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The biggest difference is the system imo.

Him having an idea of where people are and where they are going to be combined with his own vision, sets him apart.

When it was just random rushes under Gallant you could tell he spent time looking for teammates in the neutral zone when he should have been looking for how to escape the defense.

We're seeing so many less backhand shovel pucks from the boards to nowhere in the neutral zone.

When Bread has his head up in the neutral zone looking at the defense and not looking backwards trying to find teammates, good things happen.
 
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