Player Discussion Artemi Panarin

[TheGortonConspiracy]

I hope someone in the org (Drury) has the balls to ask him to try the first 10-20 games of next season on RW.

He is a righty playing LW, in the regular season you can stop short at the blue line, turn your body around, and set up cross ice passes. In the playoffs he is forced to stay on the outside and is out of position because he has to turn around to look for cross ice passes.

He already sets up on the RW on the powerplay. It would be great if he could switch there and then CK and Laf can play top 6 LW.

 

[McRanger92]

Whatever injury I think he’s playing thru better be debilitating.

Rick Nash was more useful in the playoffs than he’s been.

I loved Rick when he was here, but if he ever had 16 points in 18 playoff games, Lundqvist probably has his name on the Cup

 

[Inferno]

I absolutely do not buy him being hurt as an excuse for his garbage play.

It's not like he looks like he can't skate.. it's not like he looks like he can't shoot or go in and dig in the boards... He's doing all of those things. Let's cut this bullshit out now. If he's hurt it's no more than anyone else.

He's also trying really hard.. I don't buy for 1 minute that effort is the problem. I see a guy trying really hard.

No.. the reason panarin has been trash is betwee his ears.

His decision making had been beyond horrendous. The sheer number of unforced giveaways he's had is sickening. And it's not like these are great plays the d are making.. he's constantly trying to make seam passes that guys are just waiting to pick off. It happens... Every... Single... Shift

Panarin has been trash because he's played like shit.. it's not effort related and it's not injury related. He is playing like crap. He's forcing the play way too much instead of taking what's given to him.


The bolts are giving him the outside or the pass to the points.. instead he forces a cross ice pass to Copp. Turnover... Puck comes back the other way.

Over and over and over he tries the same damn play and it's not working. He did it all regular season and advanced scouting has taken it away from him.

His inability to adapt has been jaw droppingly bad.

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

I loved Rick when he was here, but if he ever had 16 points in 18 playoff games, Lundqvist probably has his name on the Cup

Passing to Fox who passes to Mika skews the points a bit. If Nash had that on the PP, Lundqvist probably has his name on the Cup.

 

[savebyrichter94]

I hope someone in the org (Drury) has the balls to ask him to try the first 10-20 games of next season on RW.

He is a righty playing LW, in the regular season you can stop short at the blue line, turn your body around, and set up cross ice passes. In the playoffs he is forced to stay on the outside and is out of position because he has to turn around to look for cross ice passes.

He already sets up on the RW on the powerplay. It would be great if he could switch there and then CK and Laf can play top 6 LW.

This is a pretty good point but at the same time there’s still a way for him to make it work if he’s willing to make the proper adjustments like skating the puck deeper more frequently, shooting the puck more etc

He’s become too predictable and it’s on the player to recognize what isn’t working and adjust

 

[McRanger92]

Passing to Fox who passes to Mika skews the points a bit. If Nash had that on the PP, Lundqvist probably has his name on the Cup.

5v5 Panarin has been shit. Terrible decision-making most of the playoffs. I think injured and ineffective Copp/Strome have contributed and the fact that hes seeing Slavin/Hedman matchups. He also may be hurt himself, but idk how much I buy that. We'll find out after the season.

The PP has been excellent all playoffs, and he's a big part of it. I think hes trying to do too much, personally. He needs to shoot more. Thats when he was at his best in 2019-20.

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

5v5 Panarin has been shit. Terrible decision-making most of the playoffs. I think injured and ineffective Copp/Strome have contributed and the fact that hes seeing Slavin/Hedman matchups. He also may be hurt himself, but idk how much I buy that. We'll find out after the season.

The PP has been excellent all playoffs, and he's a big part of it. I think hes trying to do too much, personally. He needs to shoot more. Thats when he was at his best in 2019-20.

Completely agree. Am I remembering incorrectly or was Panarin-Copp-Strome doing great 5v5 in the regular season before Copp and Panarin got hurt? Right now they are basically as bad as line 4. I'll never understand how we have played 18 playoff games and they are still on ice the most.

 

[JohnC]

I hope someone in the org (Drury) has the balls to ask him to try the first 10-20 games of next season on RW.

f*** it, make him try. He's not a hall of famer that gets to dictate these kind of things.

As far as I'm concerned he hasn't deserved the kind of clout to make any demands since before the pandemic.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Whatever injury I think he’s playing thru better be debilitating.

Rick Nash was more useful in the playoffs than he’s been.

Good ole Nick Rash. Wonder what that son of a gun is up to these days. Revolutionized the sport with the "show your ass to the defender" move when entering the offensive zone.

 

[will1066]

I hope someone in the org (Drury) has the balls to ask him to try the first 10-20 games of next season on RW.

He is a righty playing LW, in the regular season you can stop short at the blue line, turn your body around, and set up cross ice passes. In the playoffs he is forced to stay on the outside and is out of position because he has to turn around to look for cross ice passes.

He already sets up on the RW on the powerplay. It would be great if he could switch there and then CK and Laf can play top 6 LW.

I understand. But it's not like going up the ice on the left side is impossible to do as a righty, or making cuts into the middle of the ice, which would be advantageous as a righty coming from the left side.

Rangers, Artemi Panarin couldn’t generate enough offense

The Rangers and Artemi Panarin struggled offensively in five-on-five situations in their 4-1 loss to the Lightning in Tampa, Fla.

nypost.com

 

[Captain Lindy]

Panarin would be the top 2022 playoff point scorer if assists on other teams' goals counted.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Good ole Nick Rash. Wonder what that son of a gun is up to these days. Revolutionized the sport with the "show your ass to the defender" move when entering the offensive zone.

Completely unrelated but he apparently was a completely awesome person. Kevin Hayes in one of his Spittin Chiclets interviews ranked him as one of his top five best teammates ever and told a great story about Nash arranging a private helicopter for some of them to go to an elite golf course in MA.

 

[SA16]

Panarin would be the top 2022 playoff point scorer if assists on other teams' goals counted.

Seems unlikely considering he's been on the ice for 10 5v5 GA in 18 games.

 

[Synergy27]

Artemi has been awful these playoffs, anyone with eyes can see that. But I swear this thread is exactly why people hate New York fans...trade him? Really? For what? Prospects and picks that might become someone half as good as Panarin? Are the Rangers just gonna pull 1.33 PPG over 186 games out of their ass?

This post is either disingenuous or uninformed.

The objective of any Panarin trade wouldn’t be to replace his points 1:1. The objective would be to improve the team. You either understand that concept or you don’t.

I think we have every reason to believe that a player like Lafreniere could put up 75% of Bread’s PP points given the same role. The PP might take a small step back but it will remain elite as long as Fox is the QB, Zib is the trigger man, and Kreider the net front presence.

The cap space created by moving this contract, regardless of the return, would create the flexibility needed to build true, versatile depth. The Panarin-Strome duo sucks 5v5 as is. You can build a better 5v5 line for a fraction of their current cap hit. You can also use some that cap flexibility to retain kids that are pricing themselves out of the organization over the next couple of years.

The NMC obviously makes this all a pipe dream. But the point is that many here think that you can build a better top to bottom team even if Panarin’s direct replacement only scores a fraction of the points Artemi does.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I absolutely do not buy him being hurt as an excuse for his garbage play.

It's not like he looks like he can't skate.. it's not like he looks like he can't shoot or go in and dig in the boards... He's doing all of those things. Let's cut this bullshit out now. If he's hurt it's no more than anyone else.

He's also trying really hard.. I don't buy for 1 minute that effort is the problem. I see a guy trying really hard.

No.. the reason panarin has been trash is betwee his ears.

His decision making had been beyond horrendous. The sheer number of unforced giveaways he's had is sickening. And it's not like these are great plays the d are making.. he's constantly trying to make seam passes that guys are just waiting to pick off. It happens... Every... Single... Shift

Panarin has been trash because he's played like shit.. it's not effort related and it's not injury related. He is playing like crap. He's forcing the play way too much instead of taking what's given to him.


The bolts are giving him the outside or the pass to the points.. instead he forces a cross ice pass to Copp. Turnover... Puck comes back the other way.

Over and over and over he tries the same damn play and it's not working. He did it all regular season and advanced scouting has taken it away from him.

His inability to adapt has been jaw droppingly bad.

I'm not sure about that. He looks to be shying away from contact.

 

[LokiDog]

This post is either disingenuous or uninformed.

The objective of any Panarin trade wouldn’t be to replace his points 1:1. The objective would be to improve the team. You either understand that concept or you don’t.

I think we have every reason to believe that a player like Lafreniere could put up 75% of Bread’s PP points given the same role. The PP might take a small step back but it will remain elite as long as Fox is the QB, Zib is the trigger man, and Kreider the net front presence.

The cap space created by moving this contract, regardless of the return, would create the flexibility needed to build true, versatile depth. The Panarin-Strome duo sucks 5v5 as is. You can build a better 5v5 line for a fraction of their current cap hit. You can also use some that cap flexibility to retain kids that are pricing themselves out of the organization over the next couple of years.

The NMC obviously makes this all a pipe dream. But the point is that many here think that you can build a better top to bottom team even if Panarin’s direct replacement only scores a fraction of the points Artemi does.

Right. Panarin and Strome combined are like 16.5M. You can put together a pretty solid second line that plays a more complete game while producing about 80% as much for that money, and the lost goals certainly won’t keep us out of the playoffs, but the potential increase in two way hockey, physicality, decrease in turnovers, etc. could definitely help us once we got there.

 

[Captain Lindy]

I'm not sure about that. He looks to be shying away from contact.

This!! He sees someone skate near him and he very quickly, without hesitation, coughs up the puck!

 

[Synergy27]

This is unacceptable for the second highest paid player in the league. Ryan Strome is #415 on the list for those interested. This is from this past regular season, players with greater than 600 minutes played.

Panarin was over 52% in his first year here.

He is at 37% during these playoffs. I repeat, 37%.

 

[RickChartraw]

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This is unacceptable for the second highest paid player in the league. Ryan Strome is #415 on the list for those interested. This is from this past regular season, players with greater than 600 minutes played.

Panarin was over 52% in his first year here.

He is at 37% during these playoffs. I repeat, 37%.

Jack MF Johnson is higher? what is going on.

 

[Synergy27]

Jack MF Johnson is higher? what is going on.

The numbers for our team as a whole are abysmal for the playoffs. Chytil is our best player at exactly 50%. Nemeth (!) number two at 47%, followed closely by Kakko and Laf.

Panarin is ninth on the team.

Goodrow is worst at 21%. Kreider, Vatrano and K’Andre all also in the 20s.

The Rust-Crosby-Guentzel line are all around 85%!

 

[LokiDog]

The numbers for our team as a whole are abysmal for the playoffs. Chytil is our best player at exactly 50%. Nemeth (!) number two at 47%, followed closely by Kakko and Laf.

Panarin is ninth on the team.

Goodrow is worst at 21%. Kreider, Vatrano and K’Andre all also in the 20s.

The Rust-Crosby-Guentzel line are all around 85%!

But those are regular season numbers you posted, no? 400th while being second highest paid? No thanks. Gives credence to those who say he’s played this way all year. So much for the injury excuse.

 

[fm]

what do these numbers mean

 

[Synergy27]

But those are regular season numbers you posted, no? 400th while being second highest paid? No thanks. Gives credence to those who say he’s played this way all year. So much for the injury excuse.

Yes. I was curious what the regular season numbers looked like, especially compared to his first year here when he was very much worth the contract. The playoff numbers were even worse than I thought they were from just watching the games.

 

[Synergy27]

what do these numbers mean

HDCF% = High Danger Scoring Chances ratio.

Basically, when Panarin is on the ice at 5 on 5, 37% of the high danger scoring chances that occur are generated by the Rangers. In other words, for every high danger chance the Rangers create while Panarin is on the ice, the other team gets 2 high danger chances.

This is really, really bad.

 

[smoneil]

Seems unlikely considering he's been on the ice for 10 5v5 GA in 18 games.

What do those numbers look like for just the Carolina and TB series? That's when his even strength production fell off a cliff (He's had 7 even strength points through the playoffs, but 5 of them came against Pittsburgh).