Player Discussion Artemi Panarin

[Embryo]

His fanclub will melt away into the ether again or will ridiculously point to that useless PP goal as evidence that he played well.

What's actually amazing is they only credited him with 2 giveaways when I counted at least 4 in the last ten minutes of the third period. The most I could find in one playoffs in the past fifteen seasons is Miro Heiskanen with 58 in 19-20. It's imperative we get through this round so Panarin can surpass that.

21:24 of ice time for Panarin.
13:20 for Lafreniere.
11:43 for Kakko.

nah he's a special player, and you're a hater. players gonna play, haters gonna hate.

 

[Chaels Arms]

nah he's a special player, and you're a hater. players gonna play, haters gonna hate.

Are the dozens of other Rangers fans in this thread saying the same thing also "haters"? Just curious.

 

[bouds]

Guy is a shell of himself from just a couple years ago and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. Even for most of the regular season he was terrible at 5v5 so it's got little to do with the playoffs. Maybe it's an injury but it's terrible either way to watch him.

He was absolutely incredible his first year here, who knows what the future holds, definitely not the complete player he was year 1. Still brings a lot to the table, wish he still had Fast on his line digging pucks and back checking like a monster. Hasn't been good during this run, not much else you can say.

 

[Off Sides]

I wish Lindgren had half the natural talent, or Panarin had half the natural drive.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Artemi “Conn Smythe” Panarin

 

[Chaels Arms]

Artemi “Conn Smythe” Panarin

Even his fan club can't be bothered to try to present logical arguments on his behalf anymore.

The best you ever see now are lazy troll posts like this or calling people "haters."

 

[Brian Leetch]

Panarin has been a turnover machine. How many times has he done that backhand pass in the middle of the ice which leads to fast break rushes for the opposition? All while providing nothing offensively. He's the type of player Mike Keenan would demand get traded. A soft floater who vanishes come playoff time.

 

[SeanAveryTheGreatOne]

Panarin has been a turnover machine. How many times has he done that backhand pass in the middle of the ice which leads to fast break rushes for the opposition? All while providing nothing offensively. He's the type of player Mike Keenan would demand get traded. A soft floater who vanishes come playoff time.

It's clear Panarin can't adapt to teams having watched his tape and preparing specifically for him. These are the ingredients that make someone a regular season hero but a postseason zero. That 15% cap hit, man...

 

[n8]

Panarin is standing still, getting paid $12M to watch the game from ice level. He's practically playing with his controller disconnected every shift. Feet not moving. Early on he opted to make a bad pass (probably a turnover) because Stamkos was skating towards him. He rushed to the pass just to avoid a hit. He avoids contact at every turn. He needs to dig deep and find that desire to win because he's coasting out there. No urgency, no drive, no passion. A soulless performance. He's killing momentum in the o-zone with turnovers left and right. There's a chance (not a high chance but the fact that there is even a chance should be damning) - a chance that playing Dryden Hunt instead of Panarin would give us a better outcome. A better effort 100% even if he is a bonehead.

I said this in the GDT, the Breadman is playing more like the Loafer-man right. WAKE UP ARTEMI!!!

 

[huerter]

Two solutions before Thursday:

1. Change his number. 10 isn't dangerous. It's Gaborik. Gross.
2. Chew on a mouthguard for the next 48 hours.

 

[will1066]

They've played 18 playoff games already. He's not going to suddenly change and show up.

 

[2014nyr]

i dont think its a matter of trying for the most part...hes trying too hard. he just refuses to stop making passes that have a 96% chance of going the other way and its bordering on time to severely cut his icetime given hes not producing anything at all outside of the pp. id have laf over him in the lw pecking order for sure. and tonight on the tb 3rd goal he gave a joke of a defensive effort with mika trailing palat up the wall right into him....easily could have put a body on him but just waived at the puck. again i think he cares and is trying he just doesnt get it, and we dont have a puck possession beast for him to play with / play off of. hed do much better in the playoffs with a puck carrier that would allow him to find space to shoot / create from. maybe try kakko there its our best bet, esp if chytil out and kid line already disrupted

 

[Platano King]

Artemi has been awful these playoffs, anyone with eyes can see that. But I swear this thread is exactly why people hate New York fans...trade him? Really? For what? Prospects and picks that might become someone half as good as Panarin? Are the Rangers just gonna pull 1.33 PPG over 186 games out of their ass?

Panarin was our best player the last two months of the season right before that injury against the Canes, and has been our best player for the last three years. Trading the best forward (over 186 games, not 18) on a championship contending team for a bag of magic beans just because of a shitty 18 games is so stupid it kills my own braincells to even consider it.

If you actually think trading Panarin is a good idea please enlighten me and tell me what the hell you expect to get in return, and whether or not said return is putting up a 111 point pace over three seasons...

 

[QJL]

People say this after every bad game he has.

If he's hurt than Gallant should be fired and a criminal investigation opened into why he's giving an injured forward who passes to the other team more than his own more ice time than every other forward.

I’ve been saying that since game 1 of the playoffs. Gallant needs to take away some of his time.

 

[LokiDog]

Artemi has been awful these playoffs, anyone with eyes can see that. But I swear this thread is exactly why people hate New York fans...trade him? Really? For what? Prospects and picks that might become someone half as good as Panarin? Are the Rangers just gonna pull 1.33 PPG over 186 games out of their ass?

Panarin was our best player the last two months of the season right before that injury against the Canes, and has been our best player for the last three years. Trading the best forward (over 186 games, not 18) on a championship contending team for a bag of magic beans just because of a shitty 18 games is so stupid it kills my own braincells to even consider it.

If you actually think trading Panarin is a good idea please enlighten me and tell me what the hell you expect to get in return, and whether or not said return is putting up a 111 point pace over three seasons...

This is stupid. No one wants to trade him because we want futures and magic beans or value that over winning hockey games. It’s pretty obvious that his game doesn’t translate in the post season, and frankly he played this way all season long it just wasn’t as egregious since hockey is a lot more open during the regular season.

He’s got a nearly 12M cap hit. You’re taking salary back if you trade him. In my opinion, you’re targeting a second line type of winger with a 5-6M cap hit and looking for a nearly ready center prospect with top six upside. It’s not unreasonable. You also then have cap space do something everyone would bitch about, like sign Evander Kane to a 5M contract to be the literal antitheses of the way Panarin plays and, frankly, exactly what this team needs, for less than half the cost.

His regular season totals are lovely. The point of the regular season is to get to the post season, not win the scoring race. If you can’t perform in the post season, it doesn’t really matter that you got there. This team would have zero problems making the playoffs with 75 points from Panarin’s position instead of 100. If the guy who gives them those 75 points can also perform in the playoffs rather than actively hurt his team, than despite scoring a bit less in the regular season, you’re still a better team for it.

Panarin is a selfish player. He literally will not change his game up for his team, will not take an ounce of contact for his team, will not back/forecheck for his team and really, it isn’t surprising from a one dimensional winger who is nowhere near the top 5 players in the NHL but demanded he be paid like McDavid. On this team alone, Mika, Fox and Shesterkin are more valuable and have a greater overall positive impact on hockey games than Panarin’s inflated point totals do. This is like arguing Johnny Gaudreau is a better guy to win with than Patrice Bergeron. Points and highlight reels are nice. Winning is nicer.

 

[pld459666]

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At this point, I'd prefer invisible.

Hes not and not in a good way.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Physicality was always his weak spot. Now I can't judge whether or not he's also mentally weak, but he's been quite atrocious 5v5.

Don't want to say it, but I fear he's a baby back bitch.

 

[savebyrichter94]

Somebody forgot to proof the bread before the playoffs

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Artemi has been awful these playoffs, anyone with eyes can see that. But I swear this thread is exactly why people hate New York fans...trade him? Really? For what? Prospects and picks that might become someone half as good as Panarin? Are the Rangers just gonna pull 1.33 PPG over 186 games out of their ass?

Panarin was our best player the last two months of the season right before that injury against the Canes, and has been our best player for the last three years. Trading the best forward (over 186 games, not 18) on a championship contending team for a bag of magic beans just because of a shitty 18 games is so stupid it kills my own braincells to even consider it.

If you actually think trading Panarin is a good idea please enlighten me and tell me what the hell you expect to get in return, and whether or not said return is putting up a 111 point pace over three seasons...

As if he hasn't a NMC that we have to solve first, even if you want to get rid of him.

On the plus side, Bread can also grow PO experience. So hell, maybe he'll be better next time around.

 

[Good Intentions]

He does not resemble the player he was in Year 1. Objectively, this current iteration is worth half of his cap hit. There’s a lot here to be concerned about; short term and long.

 

[LORDE]

At this point, I'd prefer invisible.

Hes not and not in a good way.

This was my thought exactly.

Invisible would be a huge improvement over "Wow nice play there. Way to hand them..." possession, or an outright goal

 

[JohnC]

Whatever injury I think he’s playing thru better be debilitating.

Rick Nash was more useful in the playoffs than he’s been.

 

[will1066]

As if he hasn't a NMC that we have to solve first, even if you want to get rid of him.

On the plus side, Bread can also grow PO experience. So hell, maybe he'll be better next time around.

As a certain poster on HFNYR had loved to point out several times before, he has had PO experience and was a PO performer. 27 games with Chicago and Columbus, and 3 out of those 4 playoffs, he was at least at PPG pace. He has 16 pts in 18 games, but I think we all can collectively say that stats can be deceiving.

 

[LokiDog]

As a certain poster on HFNYR had loved to point out several times before, he has had PO experience and was a PO performer. 27 games with Chicago and Columbus, and 3 out of those 4 playoffs, he was at least at PPG pace. He has 16 pts in 18 games, but I think we all can collectively say that stats can be deceiving.

Yep. Panarin’s stats for the regular season are deceptive as well. You’d imagine anyone who is posting 100 point seasons is taking over games and dominating. Not the case. He’s turned himself into something of a liability at 5v5 over the past 2 years, with offense primarily coming on the PP and off the rush. While I’m positive someone will come in saying “I watched EVERY game he played for Columbus in the playoffs and he was awesome!!!” I’m going to simply pre-empt that by saying… “bullshit”. You looked up his stats. You may vaguely remember half-intently watching some Columbus post season games in the past. You didn’t watch every game and you didn’t watch the way you watch our games. Panarin having nice point totals (gee, where have I said this before…) doesn’t mean Panarin is performing. Nice garbage time goal last night to keep the ratio looking good.

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

His 5v5 numbers have to be better. End of story. We can't bleed chances every game from a line on the ice this much. It's a losing recipe, and without Igor we would have been eliminated a month ago because of it.