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Player Discussion Artemi Panarin

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duhmetreE said:
You're not being objective. How exactly am I playing the schmuck?

'EXACTLY' the same. :laugh: You were being an alarmist, portraying to me at least, that he has a good chance of being a disaster past 30.

Off the top of my head, modern-day NHLer making or made it past 30
Marchand
Crosby
Burns
Kane
Ovechkin
Giroux
Bergeron
Wheeler
Backstrom
E.Staal
Thornton

If you think Perry, LeClair and LeCalvalier are good comparables... I don't know what to say. I'd call him comparable to Marchand and Kane.
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That's an incredibly small list of names and those guys fall across a fairly wide spectrum from very good-elite-generational.

You get plenty of guys like Doan, Streit, Timmonen, Arnott, Legwand who can go until their 32/33 or more even though they're not elite at all. There's no rhyme or reason to it but you're pretending that there is.You're pretending like the names you're listing are the rule and not the exception but that's wrongYou also dismiss Lecalv as a comp? The dude had seasons of 70+ for something like 7 years in a row with 2 seasons above 90.
 
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shinchanuuhh said:
That's an incredibly small list of names and those guys fall across a fairly wide spectrum from very good-elite-generational.

You get plenty of guys like Doan, Streit, Timmonen, Arnott, Legwand who can go until their 32/33 or more even though they're not elite at all. There's no rhyme or reason to it but you're pretending that there is.You're pretending like the names you're listing are the rule and not the exception but that's wrongYou also dismiss Lecalv as a comp? The dude had seasons of 70+ for something like 7 years in a row with 2 seasons above 90.
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I think he just meant that Lecav plays a different game and has a different body type.
 
AlaBlueShirt said:
Can you please enjoy something in the present and stop worrying about stupid little things???
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1) Can you show one thing, just one tiny thing, that would show anyone not enjoying anything? My bet is no. But go ahead and prove me wrong.

2) There are fans of a franchise that tend to look beyond instant gratification. They do exist.
 
True Blue said:
1) Can you show one thing, just one tiny thing, that would show anyone not enjoying anything? My bet is no. But go ahead and prove me wrong.

2) There are fans of a franchise that tend to look beyond instant gratification. They do exist.
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Sounds like some of the fans are stressing about franchise player’s age and his numbers in the 2024-25. Like why the f*** yall even watch any games
 
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AlaBlueShirt said:
Sounds like some of the fans are stressing about franchise player’s age and his numbers in the 2024-25.
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1) Who is stressing? There was a question asked, in turn, answered. Don't want to hear the answer? Then don't ask the question.

My suggestion is that you actually read the whole debate before singularly focusing on a response as if it came out of nowhere. RIF. Reading is fundamental.

2) Not all fans are as blessed as you as to be able to strictly root for the here and now. Some of us....gasp...actually want the franchise to be a contender for a long time. I know, I know. Who would have thought?

Like why the **** yall even watch any games
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I was going to respond to this in kind, but then I realized that you are probably under 15 years old. Do your parents know that you post on a message board?
 
True Blue said:
1) Who is stressing? There was a question asked, in turn, answered. Don't want to hear the answer? Then don't ask the question.

My suggestion is that you actually read the whole debate before singularly focusing on a response as if it came out of nowhere. RIF. Reading is fundamental.

2) Not all fans are as blessed as you as to be able to strictly root for the here and now. Some of us....gasp...actually want the franchise to be a contender for a long time. I know, I know. Who would have thought?


I was going to respond to this in kind, but then I realized that you are probably under 15 years old. Do your parents know that you post on a message board?
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Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today lol....
 
True Blue said:
1) Who is stressing? There was a question asked, in turn, answered. Don't want to hear the answer? Then don't ask the question.

My suggestion is that you actually read the whole debate before singularly focusing on a response as if it came out of nowhere. RIF. Reading is fundamental.

2) Not all fans are as blessed as you as to be able to strictly root for the here and now. Some of us....gasp...actually want the franchise to be a contender for a long time. I know, I know. Who would have thought?


I was going to respond to this in kind, but then I realized that you are probably under 15 years old. Do your parents know that you post on a message board?
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Lmao don’t get offended I was just giving out my opinion it ain’t that serious. I wasn’t even coming at you that’s why I said ”some of the fans”.
Im under 15? When you’re the one letting other people to get under your skin on a internet forum lol.
 
shinchanuuhh said:
That's an incredibly small list of names and those guys fall across a fairly wide spectrum from very good-elite-generational.

You get plenty of guys like Doan, Streit, Timmonen, Arnott, Legwand who can go until their 32/33 or more even though they're not elite at all. There's no rhyme or reason to it but you're pretending that there is.You're pretending like the names you're listing are the rule and not the exception but that's wrongYou also dismiss Lecalv as a comp? The dude had seasons of 70+ for something like 7 years in a row with 2 seasons above 90.
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It's a small list of names because it's an incredibly small group of players. Panarin's talent is rivaled by only a handful of players IMO.

That's not what I was trying to portray. Alarmists are making it sound like he will become a 40-50 pt player when he turns 30. That will not happen barring some massive injury.

To add to it, he's always been late to the party. He 'blossoms' late.

I'm not comparing production.. I'm comparing size and skill-sets
 
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Inferno said:
Being opposed to panarin was never about this year..it was about how he would perform when we were actually ready to contend for a title....in 2 or 3 years.

I guess we'll see then.
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in 2-3 years is 30 years old. That's the point.

My angle is, I do not think fans understood how good he really was. This was another Richards/Nash/Gaborik scenario to them, which it really wasn't.
 
AlaBlueShirt said:
Lmao don’t get offended I was just giving out my opinion it ain’t that serious. I wasn’t even coming at you that’s why I said ”some of the fans”.
Im under 15? When you’re the one letting other people to get under your skin on a internet forum lol.
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I am not in the least bit offended. I was asking you what you can point to as to support that anyone is currently "stressing"?

This is not getting under my skin. This is what I usually throw in with "Go be a fan of another team" and childish.

Like why the **** yall even watch any games
 
SnowblindNYR said:
I think he just meant that Lecav plays a different game and has a different body type.
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That's great but that point is irrelevant unless it comes with showing that statistically that style of play definitively ages players faster compared to panarin style/size players. It's also crucial to show how much faster it ages players. It's even more important to show it in modern day players who are operating under different rules.

No one has ever shown that. No one has shown how much the khl thing is a factor. It's all guesswork which is not bad in and of itself bc there is some logic behind the guesswork. The problem is how often it is presented like rock solid indisputable evidence.

There is even more logic in the facts surrounding player aging/decline. So if someone is going to argue against those facts and dismiss them then shouldn't they have a more definitive reason than absolute guesswork?

I get HOPING for panarin bc of reasons like style and nhl tread on the tires. I AGREE with those reasons for hoping but I don't dismiss the facts which are weighing much more heavily against panarins chances
 
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True Blue said:
Think if was over the top?
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It really wasn't. Guy dishonestly whines about you and the stance that you represent. You come in and correct his BS. Then this dude attacks you for daring to do so while dishonestly accusing you of never enjoying anything.

It's pretty reasonable to be frustrated to the extreme with Bs like that

How many times are people going to say "DURRRRRRI TOLD U ABOUT PANARIN WHERE R U HATERS NOW LOL???!!!" While missing the actual point completely this year? How many times will someone else get up our ass about correcting posts like that? It should be a goddamn infraction worthy offense at this point
 
duhmetreE said:
It's a small list of names because it's an incredibly small group of players. Panarin's talent is rivaled by only a handful of players IMO.

That's not what I was trying to portray. Alarmists are making it sound like he will become a 40-50 pt player when he turns 30. That will not happen barring some massive injury.

To add to it, he's always been late to the party. He 'blossoms' late.

I'm not comparing production.. I'm comparing size and skill-sets
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And the thing we're pointing out is that WITH a small sample size it is wrong to make definitive statements about someone being the exception to the rule.

The list is also small which helps prove our point. It's small bc of how rare it is to produce at that level for that long. Players on that list play a multitude of styles, they are varied in size and in peak point production. Which means there are WAY more guys we could compare with who did not maintain production.

So when u say 40-50 points WILL NOT HAPPEN in three years you are wrong. There is nothing to justify DEFINITIVELY saying that. The vast majority of evidence shows that he is much more likely to decline than he is to stay at this level. A much much smaller amount of evidence shows that there is a chance for him to be elite until he's 33 or older. We ALL are hoping he winds up falling into that small chance. We just do not agree with wrongly stating that it is a definite
 
shinchanuuhh said:
That's an incredibly small list of names and those guys fall across a fairly wide spectrum from very good-elite-generational.

You get plenty of guys like Doan, Streit, Timmonen, Arnott, Legwand who can go until their 32/33 or more even though they're not elite at all. There's no rhyme or reason to it but you're pretending that there is.You're pretending like the names you're listing are the rule and not the exception but that's wrongYou also dismiss Lecalv as a comp? The dude had seasons of 70+ for something like 7 years in a row with 2 seasons above 90.
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I'm dismissing Vinny as a viable comparable to Panarin. I dont think anyone in the universe would use Vinny Lecalvalier as a comp to Panarin.
 
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