Player Discussion Artem Zub (D) Part 2 [Extended 4 years @ $4.6M]

[HSF]

Kleven had an unreal game on Monday. So he’s becoming less of a question mark. To me jbd and hamonic are still question marks. Though I don’t mind Hamonic in a strict 6 role especially with a more comfortable kleven.

This team definitely needs a strong 6-7 though. And at least one d man in the minors who you trust to come up and play decent hockey.

unreal?

lol

 

[SpezDispenser]

I don't know how much evidence there is of any off-ice issues with Joseph. Certainly I haven't seen much of anything besides a few posters here mentioning he liked to party.

Personally I don't give a crap if he likes to have a good time post-game considering he was arguably the hardest working Senator during his time in Ottawa during actual games.

I mention Perron because I would have signed Amadio at 2.6M x 3YRs regardless of what we did with Joseph. That's a fair contract for a guy who should be a solid 3rd line forward for us. I had more of a problem with the Perron signing. He's old, Joseph out-scored him at even strength last year, and he doesn't bring the same assets to the table that Joseph did - mainly speed and forechecking ability - which are attributes we now lack in our lineup.

I still think there was something with Joseph, that's all I have though, a guess.

Perron brings Cup experience and hard work off ice. He brings a lot. Still not a fan of the signing that much though because of his age

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Branstrom can't make any team he goes to. Keeping him at 2 million would have been insane.

A small, offensive minded defenseman who can't score does not help this team when they lose their best defensive defenseman.

okay but didn't brannstrom play in the top 4 in similar circumstances the last 3 years when there injuries and play good hockey by the eye test and the numbers?

i agree 2m is is too much, but having a versatile 900k defenceman who has chemistry with everyone and has proven he can play in the top 4 without tanking the team would be invaluable right now.

instead we got hamonic on the top pair. and the entire season up for grabs because of it.

 

[SpezDispenser]

okay but didn't brannstrom play in the top 4 in similar circumstances the last 3 years when there injuries and play good hockey by the eye test and the numbers?

i agree 2m is is too much, but having a versatile 900k defenceman who has chemistry with everyone and has proven he can play in the top 4 would be invaluable right now.

instead we got hamonic on the top pair. and the entire season up for grabs because of it.

That's where dorion didn't think it through and left us with very little via options on ELCs.

You have to have a couple of Brannstroms kicking around, or at least one on an elc

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

That's where dorion didn't think it through and left us with very little via options on ELCs.

You have to have a couple of Brannstroms kicking around, or at least one on an elc

not to mention give a guy who should be retired an nmc.

just dorion things.

 

[SpezDispenser]

not to mention give a guy who should be retired an nmc.

just dorion things.

I was ok with the money, the term was not great. Rather pay more and do year by year.

That said, I really think hamonic will be solid this year - if he plays 45 games. Give him some time to get into game shape. If it's hard on Norris, it's hard on him too.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

unreal?

lol

Yes. He played amazing. A game where he could have easily defaulted to slamming the puck down the ice he didn’t. Calm composed. Played minutes a rookie probably shouldn’t. And did it well

 

[Xspyrit]

The Hamonic signing could have been fixed rather easily, but is largely irrelevant to the discussion about defensive depth.

The bigger issue than not buying him out was not surrounding him with additional depth so if he continued to suck he could be stapled to the bench.

I've also made the argument that trading Joseph to fit in Perron's cap hit, at the cost of a million in cap space, was a mistake.

It appears we don't want to play with a full roster and go with 2 spares on D because we'd be at risk of incurring a bonus overage penalty, like we did last year playing right up against the cap. Wouldn't be an issue if we kept Joseph and let Perron sign elsewhere.

Not the end of the world, but self-imposed errors that could cost us somewhat.

Unless Mathieu Joseph did unforgivable stuff off the ice that we don’t know, would have been great to just ride out his contract, he was easily worth 2.95 AAV last season. And also keep that 3rd round pick.

This like you said could have attracted his brother. With the money saved from not signing Perron, could have convinced Brannstrom to sign 1 year at less than 2.0 maybe when he would have seen there was no better deals to be had…

Our defence would be :

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Joseph - Brannstrom
Kleven - JBD

Joseph can play RD too so that defense would be injury-proof

And more speed in the top-9, plus better defensively and easily our best forward on the PK

 

[HSF]

Yes. He played amazing. A game where he could have easily defaulted to slamming the puck down the ice he didn’t. Calm composed. Played minutes a rookie probably shouldn’t. And did it well

he played well

unreal is a massive stretch