Around the NHL XIV: Game on...

[Six Assets]

that ref is screwed

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

So apparently this happened.
The goal got waived off, and Detroit got a penalty...
06:22 DET Luke Glendening Interference - 2 min against Braden Holtby

NHL reffing is getting worse every week.

They screwed up another easy goal in Edmonton a few mins ago as well.

 

[Karlsson2Turris*]

So apparently this happened.
The goal got waived off, and Detroit got a penalty...
06:22 DET Luke Glendening Interference - 2 min against Braden Holtby

Just when you thought NHL reffing couldn't get any worse...

 

[BK201]

NHL reffing is getting worse every week.

They screwed up another easy goal in Edmonton a few mins ago as well.

Yes, yes they did.

 

[Knave]

I feel like the referees have been set up by the executive who told them to call stuff even if they're not completely sure what happened.

I can understand maybe if a referee saw it out of the corner of his eye or from a strange angle... but IMO you can't keep making calls based on the result of the play (the goalie on his back) and right now in the NHL - that seems to be how a good chunk of calls are made these days.

 

[Caeldan]

I feel like the referees have been set up by the executive who told them to call stuff even if they're not completely sure what happened.

I can understand maybe if a referee saw it out of the corner of his eye or from a strange angle... but IMO you can't keep making calls based on the result of the play (the goalie on his back) and right now in the NHL - that seems to be how a good chunk of calls are made these days.

I'm trying to visualize at what angle it'd look like there was any chance of contact by the time Holtby is falling and I just can't come up with one.

 

[BigBush*]

I've been saying this for a while now. Don't change the rules or add a "coaches challenge."
Just make one change: make goaltender interference calls reviewable.
It's such a fast game, as a ref it can be so hard to tell if it was a player being pushed into the goalie, an embellishment or a trip by a goalie, or an actually penalty by the offensive team.
People can live with a bad call. No excuses, go and kill the penalty off. But wrongly called goaltender interference penalties often change the result of the game.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Human error.... It even happens to you

 

[Xspyrit]

The future will be using refs not on the ice (only policemen on the ice). Refs will make the calls as they will see what really goes on with all camera angles possible. But yeah, we are slow to evolve sometimes.

That no goal vs Holtby or the goal in the Kings-Wings game last year, after the puck hit the netting way up high, makes me a bit uninterested in this product. And well, not only those 2 plays.... I'm still following the NHL and the Sens, but not like before.

 

[Caeldan]

I don't get why they don't just allow refs to review their calls on ice. Not even coaches challenge... Just make it league driven, and call down and say to the ref "hey take a second look, are you sure?"

I mean as it stands on reviewable plays now you have the refs getting together for several minutes to decide what they saw before calling up.

So just expand the definition of what is reviewable and let the refs have the ability to fix their obviously blown calls.

 

[BonkTastic]

The vultures are apparently already circling around Carlyle in Toronto. Sounds like he's on his last legs with that org.

It'll be a sad day in Ottawa when he's finally shown the door with the Leafs. He was so good... not just to the Sens, but SO MANY other teams in the NHL that aren't Toronto. He did yeoman's work in the Big Smoke, worked so hard to make sure that team was dysfunctional and system-less, and tried his damn best to make sure that he took a fast offensive team and forced an outdated, archaic 1970's "Broadstreet Bullies"-style game plan down their throats.

We should all pool together and get him a present or something.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I agree with Friedman that Carlyle can't be blamed for everything: it's hard for the coach to get his players to play properly if they just don't care. It's the same thing that happened with Ron Wilson

 

[MainDotC]

How in the world is Fredrik Andersen's goalie helmet appropriate? Yeah - for those of us who appreciate a good bad-ass look I can see it, but the NHL allows this? Emery had to remove Mike Tyson from his helmet but it's ok to immortalize a movie scene where a guy is sliced to pieces, doused with gasoline and then shot several times?

 

[Caeldan]

How in the world is Fredrik Andersen's goalie helmet appropriate? Yeah - for those of us who appreciate a good bad-ass look I can see it, but the NHL allows this? Emery had to remove Mike Tyson from his helmet but it's ok to immortalize a movie scene where a guy is sliced to pieces, doused with gasoline and then shot several times?

Resevoir Ducks

I actually like it. While it's busy as expected with a Daveart helmet, this one actually works being busy.
Also - fiction vs reality.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Wicked mask

 

[Ice-Tray]

The future will be using refs not on the ice (only policemen on the ice). Refs will make the calls as they will see what really goes on with all camera angles possible. But yeah, we are slow to evolve sometimes.

That no goal vs Holtby or the goal in the Kings-Wings game last year, after the puck hit the netting way up high, makes me a bit uninterested in this product. And well, not only those 2 plays.... I'm still following the NHL and the Sens, but not like before.

Who cares man, seriously??? There have been mistaken goals, and calls since hockey began, and because two blown calls were made, in the first 10 games, and you're gonna stop watching? I would have pegged you for a guy who just enjoyed it for the imperfect human interaction that it has always been. Beautiful, flawed, violent, artistry.

This idea will never happen... Nor would I want it to. Refs are human, and make mistakes, just like the players on the ice. Whenever you get a group of humans together to play a game, things are bound to get missed, and mistakes are bound to be made, this is what makes us human. Overall, I think the refs do a fantastic job, and for two guys watching ten, catch most of whats going on.

If you want mistake free robot reffing in hockey, buy a video game.

I don't get why they don't just allow refs to review their calls on ice. Not even coaches challenge... Just make it league driven, and call down and say to the ref "hey take a second look, are you sure?"

I mean as it stands on reviewable plays now you have the refs getting together for several minutes to decide what they saw before calling up.

So just expand the definition of what is reviewable and let the refs have the ability to fix their obviously blown calls.

Fluidity of the game, and respect for the human element of the game, same as soccer.

We don't play with robots, and we don't ref with them. They are an important human element of the game, and they are already quite able to huddle and review information before making calls, IF THEY WANT TO. I wouldn't want the refs reviewing everything, games would take all night, not only that, I wouldn't want players and coaching begging refs to check and reverse calls, and I wouldn't want the authority and sanctity of the position undermined.

 

[bacon25]

that ref is screwed

It's a good thing the Wings won the game. I'm sure the Wings organization would have been more aggressive about this call if they had lost.

 

[Caeldan]

Who cares man, seriously??? There have been mistaken goals, and calls since hockey began, and because two blown calls were made, in the first 10 games, and you're gonna stop watching? I would have pegged you for a guy who just enjoyed it for the imperfect human interaction that it has always been. Beautiful, flawed, violent, artistry.

This idea will never happen... Nor would I want it to. Refs are human, and make mistakes, just like the players on the ice. Whenever you get a group of humans together to play a game, things are bound to get missed, and mistakes are bound to be made, this is what makes us human. Overall, I think the refs do a fantastic job, and for two guys watching ten, catch most of whats going on.

If you want mistake free robot reffing in hockey, buy a video game.



Fluidity of the game, and respect for the human element of the game, same as soccer.

We don't play with robots, and we don't ref with them. They are an important human element of the game, and they are already quite able to huddle and review information before making calls, IF THEY WANT TO. I wouldn't want the refs reviewing everything, games would take all night, not only that, I wouldn't want players and coaching begging refs to check and reverse calls, and I wouldn't want the authority and sanctity of the position undermined.

Who cares about how 'human' the refs are. I'm not paying to see inaccuracies in the judgment of the play, I'm paying to see the players excel at a game within the rules. If we can come up with a fully automated and 100% accurate way to call the game I'd be all for it.

Also, I don't believe that the refs are allowed to use video replay currently to doublecheck a call. Maybe only check with another linesman or ref if they noticed something. Because otherwise that call would have been reversed, there's no reason for Glendenning to have been given a penalty for example and therefore the goal would have had no reason to be waved off and therefore counted.

The flow of the game would still be in place, because as it is now you see the refs occasionally chatting amongst each other for a period of time which would be significantly shorter if they could just skate over to a booth to doublecheck a replay. Or even better, have a third referee as an 'eye in the sky' who has the ability to make judgement calls for them when there's a question on the fly as it's another referee.

 

[MainDotC]

Resevoir Ducks

I actually like it. While it's busy as expected with a Daveart helmet, this one actually works being busy.
Also - fiction vs reality.

Of course we all like it - doesn't make it appropriate. And as for fiction vs reality - it certainly won't be fictitious when children google the genesis behind the character on his helmet. I think there are a lot of arguments you can make stating why it's fine but I just don't see how the NHL allows that.

 

[Caeldan]

Of course we all like it - doesn't make it appropriate. And as for fiction vs reality - it certainly won't be fictitious when children google the genesis behind the character on his helmet. I think there are a lot of arguments you can make stating why it's fine but I just don't see how the NHL allows that.

They've had plenty of violent fictitious helmets in the past... I mean what about all the variants on skull designs that you get over time.

And I think even Anderson has had a mask that'd be questionable under that line of thinking. Also believe there's been some based on horror movie characters like Jason.

Pretty much certain it just comes down to fiction vs reality.

 

[playasRus]

Emery vs Bishop is kinda cool

 

[starling]

Bishop's last 3 games: .786 .880 .889
Good for Tampa they can still outscore pretty much everyone

 

[Knave]

Bishop's last 3 games: .786 .880 .889
Good for Tampa they can still outscore pretty much everyone

It's pretty impressive to see how big an impact Hedman has.

Obviously Bishop isn't playing amazing but I watched the game before Hedman injured himself and then the game vs Edmonton a few days later and it was night and day.

 

[Caeldan]

Varlamov with a 40 save shutout tonight.
89 in the last two games he's played.

 

[starling]

Oh my...
Habs are so horrible and they still tie the game from 0-2 with 2 minutes to go. They literally had 2 chances during entire period...
Every. Single. Time.