great to hear, thanks for the update hockeywiz.... hopefully is back sooner than later, and he is feeling healthy!
Series Talk: Around the NHL - Playoff edition as Round #1 kicks off
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great to hear, thanks for the update hockeywiz.... hopefully is back sooner than later, and he is feeling healthy!
Well I mean players expect a walk in the park level of intensity when they play Toronto. Any pushing or shoving after whistles like fake and ingenuine only to appear tough as opposed to genuine unity and anger. They lack the respect of players around the league in that aspect. Many have as much as said so.
Mild exaggeration. Woulda been nice to keep Kadri though and realize any sane person woulda lost it when you play with a bunch of wimps on your team who are only good at taking it. Marleau should have stood up for himself so Kadri wouldn't have had to.
Care to name the players who have said so? Seems more like a narrative you're pushing than anything else. Most NHL players on podcasts/radio think this Leafs team is still really close to breaking through in the playoffs and often hightlight how young they are. Nobody thinks it's easy to play this team.
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Kadri kind of did it to himself by being reckless and getting suspended in back to back playoffs .. Plus in a #3C role, one where he should have dominated his opposition, he struggled. It made it easier for the team to part with him, dealing from a position of strength, to try and address the blue line.
Of course it's easy to say in retrospect that it was a poor trade. Had Barrie had a 50+ point season and used his offensive abilities to mask his defensive issues, it wouldn't look nearly as bad.
But I agree Kadri brought a lot of heart and soul to the team. Still that didn't help elevate the Leafs to the second round for 3 playoff appearances either.
In the end I was okay with moving Kadri to address the blue line, but moving him for Barrie was clearly a second-choice move and I think Dubas overplayed his hand by trying to add more offense when they really needed to be steadier defensively. I don't think it was the right trade - Dubas seemed like he was trying to capitalize on Kadri while his value was higher regardless of the return.
It's also possible that Babcock could have influenced the decision, not that I'm pinning it on him, but Babs was big on improving the right side of the defense. And I can't imagine he was happy with Kadri for getting suspended two playoffs in a row.
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There was no way you guys could've kept Kadri. He's a #2C, and was a total waste at #3. Then you add the suspensions he took in the playoffs. Was it a mistake for Dubas to trade him for Barrie and Kerfoot? Yes, he should've traded him to a good defensive D. But keeping him at Toronto was not an option, not really.
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Kadri trade looking worse and worse. Doesn’t help that Barrie f***ing sucked for us.
But hey, maybe if the refs made calls against Boston and policed the game better he could’ve been playing and doing this for us last year and this year.
But hey, maybe if the refs made calls against Boston and policed the game better he could’ve been playing and doing this for us last year and this year.
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Meh, hindsight is 20/20 but he would have helped given our weird line stacking strategy that put Tavares, Matthews, and Marner on the same line. Kadri and Nylander would have actually given us a second line that could score a goal.
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So far it looks like somebody read Kadri the riot act in no uncertain terms. Too bad Leafs couldn't, and let go the player who usually kept him in check.
Good for Naz, we'll see how long it lasts.
Good for Naz, we'll see how long it lasts.
not a total waste, it added good centre depth as a #3C. Plus with Tavares stumbling it would have helped to move him up the lineup and Tavares down. It was manageable cap-wise to keep Kadri who was on a great contract for what he provided. They should have never signed Tavares.
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That I can agree with but then again, when you have the chance you absolutely do. But I think signing Tavares really screwed the Leafs. Not just the cap structure, but the chemistry in the locker room too. And I don't say th is because of JT as a person, but he's just at the wrong place at the wrong time IMO.
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Kadri was beloved, but Tavares is a massive upgrade. Even if he shifts to the wing. The Marner deal is what sunk Kadri in my opinion. Bridge Marner around Point's cap hit, and you can keep Kadri.
The Flyers are giving the Habs a mercy game before they toss them out.
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I think Dubas was counting on the Barrie that was playing under Keefe, not under Babcock. If we got that for an entire year, people would be saying different things (he would have finished with something like 55-60 points based on what he was pacing under Keefe), and I think Dubas somewhat hinted at that with his "we did not do a good job accommodating him when he first arrived" comment.
I think the other thing people need to realize is that the market for Kadri may not have been as great as people expected. We know Brodie and we know of Barrie, but it is not like it is known we turned down a deal for Pesce or something. Maybe Barrie or Brodie was the best defenseman Kadri was going to get unless we just took pure futures, and let's also not forget that Kerfoot does have a fair amount of value himself right now. A mid-20's 3C who can play a solid two-way game has a good amount of value.
One thing we do likely know is that if Kadri had another year like 2018-2019, he would not have even been able to return what he did. Maybe it was selling low for a little bit last year, and it would have been better to sell him right after we got Tavares, but it was also a lot harder to justify it and we would be selling even lower this year.
All-in-all, I laughed when Hayes said it may be one of the worst trades in Leafs history. It doesn't surprise me, because of what he says and who he pretends to be, but I still laughed.
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I'd rather have Kadri at 4.5 m than Tavares at 11. Based on where we were at in the rebuild, having not even won a single round, it was not the right time to sign a player like that and I think FOMO influenced the decision, like it did in the past for the Leafs and shortened the Sundin and Gilmour era cup windows. A common problem with Leaf fans is we get giddy the second we see a big name UFA on the market who was born in a GTA hospital. And we want to do the same thing again by signing Pietrangelo when this team has not proven that it is a contender at this point. If they were regularly making the semis or something I'd even understand
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watching as much playoff hockey as I can, been some great hockey so far...........
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