Around The NHL Part XXVI

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Really I don't like other teams than the Rangers--there are some that are less bad is all. I don't hate hate Colorado but I can't root for them. If they win--fine---we'll get on with next season. Worst case the Islanders win--second worst case the Lightning win--third worst case which is practically as bad as the second worst case the Flyers win. If I were to choose a team to win of who's left it would be Vancouver. I don't care for the Stars either but I do care about our draft picks and it can make a difference when players are falling who your team picks. One third round pick is not necessarily the same as another. That said the Rangers draft list has always been somewhat of a mystery--there are usually guys we draft on it either more than less unknown or taken earlier than expected. It seems most of the time we ignore the falling--Cherepanov being an exception.

Thankfully the Avs are in the West yet them winning it all this season proves Sakic’s patience was the right move. Am so hoping they lose b/c Sakic did little at the deadline.

The remaining three from the West i am fine with.

Tampa - dislike for obvious Ranger history reasons

Isles and Flyers - enough said
 
Pretty much.

Take out goalies. Put the nets on motors and just have them move back and forth across the goal lines at a decent speed with some targets attached.

Anyone else have carnival music playing in their head while reading this?
 
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We're not just talking about a third rounder, we're talking about the position of the Canes pick.

If Dallas wins, that slides up a spot. If the Islanders win, it slides up another spot. I don't think many people are too concerned about the third.

Well that's a horse of a different color. Hadn't thought about the position of the Canes pick we have in 1st round as the 3rd round slight bump up really didn't bug me.

Hmmm....now you got me thinking. OK go Dallas but I want too see a 7-5 type win...that works...lol
 
Well that's a horse of a different color. Hadn't thought about the position of the Canes pick we have in 1st round as the 3rd round slight bump up really didn't bug me.

Hmmm....now you got me thinking. OK go Dallas but I want too see a 7-5 type win...that works...lol

That's been the focal point all along. Most of us are rooting for the higher first round pick from the 1st the Rangers got from Carolina. The cost to move up for a Lundell or Mercer is less at 21/22 than it is at 24.
 
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Really I don't like other teams than the Rangers--there are some that are less bad is all. I don't hate hate Colorado but I can't root for them. If they win--fine---we'll get on with next season. Worst case the Islanders win--second worst case the Lightning win--third worst case which is practically as bad as the second worst case the Flyers win. If I were to choose a team to win of who's left it would be Vancouver. I don't care for the Stars either but I do care about our draft picks and it can make a difference when players are falling who your team picks. One third round pick is not necessarily the same as another. That said the Rangers draft list has always been somewhat of a mystery--there are usually guys we draft on it either more than less unknown or taken earlier than expected. It seems most of the time we ignore the falling--Cherepanov being an exception.

This is an interesting debate and it's much more convoluted these days than it was in the past. And that's of course due to the fantasy hockey aspect that is a big part of the sport. Now I'm not sure how old you are or if you even participate in the fantasy aspect of hockey but too me, it's one of the most fun and enjoyable aspects of watching the sport.

Been a Ranger fan since 1970-71. Have played hockey competitivly as high a level as varsity hockey in HS. Love love hockey...love love our Rangers. Have lived and died with them and will always live and die with them. That said in 1997 a friend of mine told me about this little hobby called rotoisierie hockey where you draft players and manage them thru the season and I fell hook line and sinker for it.

Besides winning championships which I have fortunatly been good enough too do multiple times and win quite a large sum of money as well over the years, the thing about doing fantasy is that it forced me to learn more about opposing players from top line guys to 4th line checking players. It forced me too study them and see all their strengths and weaknesses. A funny thing happened while playing make believe GM, I started too like players I owned and while watching my players, I started too like not love like my Rangers but like other teams and root for them too do well because it helped me.

I recall I owned Mike Modano for a few years in the late 90's and early 2000's and I started too like the Stars. They were a fun team too root for. Never once did I feel guilty about it. Never once did I think my Ranger fandom was too be questioned.

Currently, I own quite a few Colorado players including MacKinnon. I've owned him for 3 years now in this longtime keeper league and I'll own him for another 3 unless I trade him to some other team if I feel it will help me win another title.I also owned Burakovsky, Zadarov and Grubauer.

How can you not root for NMack or the Avalanche if you have financial stake in them doing well? Of course it's obvious the answer. Obviously if the Av's play the Rangers, I want Ranger too pulverize them. But when they aren't playing one another, I don't see why one should feel guilty rooting for another team too do well as I do with the Av's. We live in different times these days and we need too adapt too it.

Other than the Islanders and Flyers and the Devils I guess, I have no hate for any team in the entire league and like it or not, it's due to the fantasy aspect of the sport and if you or anyone wants too question my fandom because I like and root for other teams typically out West, so be it but the truth is you would be wrong.
 
That's been the focal point all along. Most of us are rooting for the higher first round pick from the 1st the Rangers got from Carolina. The cost to move up for a Lundell or Mercer is less at 21/22 than it is at 24.

Well my friend until @Edge brought it up, I was thinking this whole debate was about a slight bump up in the 3rd round and not 1st round. That said, I got what I wanted and got a 7th game(as if I had anything too do with it...lol) because shoot me...I love 7th games. And now I'll back Dallas tho I doubt it will matter cause it's going to be extremely hard too stop this Av's choo choo train that now has gotten alot of steam built up.

But yes we are on same page going forward....Go Stars!!...lol
 
This is an interesting debate and it's much more convoluted these days than it was in the past. And that's of course due to the fantasy hockey aspect that is a big part of the sport. Now I'm not sure how old you are or if you even participate in the fantasy aspect of hockey but too me, it's one of the most fun and enjoyable aspects of watching the sport.

Been a Ranger fan since 1970-71. Have played hockey competitivly as high a level as varsity hockey in HS. Love love hockey...love love our Rangers. Have lived and died with them and will always live and die with them. That said in 1997 a friend of mine told me about this little hobby called rotoisierie hockey where you draft players and manage them thru the season and I fell hook line and sinker for it.

Besides winning championships which I have fortunatly been good enough too do multiple times and win quite a large sum of money as well over the years, the thing about doing fantasy is that it forced me to learn more about opposing players from top line guys to 4th line checking players. It forced me too study them and see all their strengths and weaknesses. A funny thing happened while playing make believe GM, I started too like players I owned and while watching my players, I started too like not love like my Rangers but like other teams and root for them too do well because it helped me.

I recall I owned Mike Modano for a few years in the late 90's and early 2000's and I started too like the Stars. They were a fun team too root for. Never once did I feel guilty about it. Never once did I think my Ranger fandom was too be questioned.

Currently, I own quite a few Colorado players including MacKinnon. I've owned him for 3 years now in this longtime keeper league and I'll own him for another 3 unless I trade him to some other team if I feel it will help me win another title.I also owned Burakovsky, Zadarov and Grubauer.

How can you not root for NMack or the Avalanche if you have financial stake in them doing well? Of course it's obvious the answer. Obviously if the Av's play the Rangers, I want Ranger too pulverize them. But when they aren't playing one another, I don't see why one should feel guilty rooting for another team too do well as I do with the Av's. We live in different times these days and we need too adapt too it.

Other than the Islanders and Flyers and the Devils I guess, I have no hate for any team in the entire league and like it or not, it's due to the fantasy aspect of the sport and if you or anyone wants too question my fandom because I like and root for other teams typically out West, so be it but the truth is you would be wrong.

I've never understood fantasy v. actual games. same with the insanity all football season. I watch the games my teams play. I'm uninterested in the fortunes of other teams, except for the Flyers and Isles who I wish pain and failure.
 
This is an interesting debate and it's much more convoluted these days than it was in the past. And that's of course due to the fantasy hockey aspect that is a big part of the sport. Now I'm not sure how old you are or if you even participate in the fantasy aspect of hockey but too me, it's one of the most fun and enjoyable aspects of watching the sport.

Been a Ranger fan since 1970-71. Have played hockey competitivly as high a level as varsity hockey in HS. Love love hockey...love love our Rangers. Have lived and died with them and will always live and die with them. That said in 1997 a friend of mine told me about this little hobby called rotoisierie hockey where you draft players and manage them thru the season and I fell hook line and sinker for it.

Besides winning championships which I have fortunatly been good enough too do multiple times and win quite a large sum of money as well over the years, the thing about doing fantasy is that it forced me to learn more about opposing players from top line guys to 4th line checking players. It forced me too study them and see all their strengths and weaknesses. A funny thing happened while playing make believe GM, I started too like players I owned and while watching my players, I started too like not love like my Rangers but like other teams and root for them too do well because it helped me.

I recall I owned Mike Modano for a few years in the late 90's and early 2000's and I started too like the Stars. They were a fun team too root for. Never once did I feel guilty about it. Never once did I think my Ranger fandom was too be questioned.

Currently, I own quite a few Colorado players including MacKinnon. I've owned him for 3 years now in this longtime keeper league and I'll own him for another 3 unless I trade him to some other team if I feel it will help me win another title.I also owned Burakovsky, Zadarov and Grubauer.

How can you not root for NMack or the Avalanche if you have financial stake in them doing well? Of course it's obvious the answer. Obviously if the Av's play the Rangers, I want Ranger too pulverize them. But when they aren't playing one another, I don't see why one should feel guilty rooting for another team too do well as I do with the Av's. We live in different times these days and we need too adapt too it.

Other than the Islanders and Flyers and the Devils I guess, I have no hate for any team in the entire league and like it or not, it's due to the fantasy aspect of the sport and if you or anyone wants too question my fandom because I like and root for other teams typically out West, so be it but the truth is you would be wrong.

Well you beat me by at least a year Maximus. I started following the Rangers in the second half of the 1971-72 season. Fact is the first game I listened to on the radio with Marv Albert and Sal Messina and the Rangers were playing the California Golden Seals and it was somewhere in the middle of the game and Jean Ratelle had broken his ankle earlier in that game which later on would kind of f*** up the Rangers chances in the Stanley Cup finals against the Bruins.

We did not have high school hockey where I'm from and still don't---45 minutes up the road in Ithaca they do and have for a long time. I started skating pretty much after I got out of high school and that went on for a good 40 years---playing mostly recreational but also after I bought my house I converted my fairly large empty basement with smooth concrete floor into an inline rink and stuck a goal against the back wall so between ice and that I was skating pretty much every day for a long time.

I'm pretty much parochial though---most all of my focus is on how the Rangers get better and usually (not this year--but I'll put that down to special circumstances) once the Rangers season comes to the end I'm done watching live hockey until Traverse and pre-season. I'd rather not get into the hoopla behind this or that team or the player personality driven stuff. My hockey focus then turns to the draft and free agency and how they play into where the Rangers go next. Honestly if there were no Rangers I'm not sure I'd have another team.

It's usually not hard for me to move on from players either when they go somewhere else or retire no matter how much I like them. Not really interested though either in bashing players like Staal who have declined due to age or injury and who might be harder to get rid of. There comes a time to say goodbye though and some stay past their sell by date.
 
I've never understood fantasy v. actual games. same with the insanity all football season. I watch the games my teams play. I'm uninterested in the fortunes of other teams, except for the Flyers and Isles who I wish pain and failure.

Well my friend I believe the old adage "different strokes for different folks" is in play here. You not participating in fantasy is more than fine in my book and I won't nor wouldn't criticize you for it. Nor should I feel I should be criticized because of my affinity for fantasy.

I mention in my previous post some reasons I got into it. Too add a bit too it too help you understand why I love fantasy whether it hockey,football or baseball. Besides being a stat nut. I've always loved stats since I was a little kid. You may be too young too remember but back in the "old days" when newspapers were still en vogue, I couldn't wait for my Dad too bring home the Sunday NY Times so that I could snag the sports section and scour thru all the box scores and best of all, all the stats of the players...BA, Ribbies, Wins...etc....you get the point.

So you combine a kid who loves stats from the time he was 10-11 with the fact I played competitive sports...all of them add my first sports heros played on my favorite teams...Rod Gilbert for the Rangers, Tom Seaver for the Mets, Walt Frazier for the Knicks and Joe Namath or the Jets. Than this kid grows up and now he can't play the sports he loved so much anymore other than golf(lol) and this invention comes around where you can own players, draft them, trade them and compete versus other peeps like you and make money at the the same time? Are you kidding? Sign me up.

I said it earlier, besides the competitive aspect and wanting too win titles, the best part of fantasy is if you want too be successful, it forces you too learn and observe opposing players other than your favorite team. Before my participation in fantasy in 1997, sure I knew some things about Ranger opposing players. But not like now. If the Rangers played the Sabres before I got into fantasy, sure I knew about Alex Mogilny, Dom Hasek, Matthew Barnaby but I didn't know alot about Gary Galley, Derek Plante or Alexei Zhitnick. Fantasy forces you to learn about these lesser known guys and their strengths and weaknesses and whether or not you'd want too own them.

And so how could that be a bad thing to become much more knowledgeable about the players around the league, appreciate even more their talents and win some cash along the way?

Hope that helps give you a little bit more insight into why myself and millions of other fantasy players around the country love this hobby of ours.
 
Thankfully the Avs are in the West yet them winning it all this season proves Sakic’s patience was the right move. Am so hoping they lose b/c Sakic did little at the deadline.

The remaining three from the West i am fine with.

Tampa - dislike for obvious Ranger history reasons

Isles and Flyers - enough said

It's pretty sad when the Bruins were the best of the 4 eastern teams in the semifinals. Most years I would have been okay with Carolina--this year no--1) our having their draft pick and 2) their dispatching of us with way too much ease. Columbus I think would have been okay--they're just not good enough.

Not a fan of Sakic and miffed with Kadri for ambushing Lindgren this year. Want to fight someone?--fight fair. I suppose it's not Vegas' fault that the NHL were too nice to them with expansion but (speaking of the NHL only) their fan base has no idea of what hard times the other 30 teams fan bases in the league have been through. Dallas--I suppose would be okay but I've never been a fan of anything Dallas or particularly Texas either. Which leaves Vancouver as the best possible. I've never been there but I have been to the Pacific Northwest and like the area.
 
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"Unless the Rangers want to trade for me and put me on RW" is the part that was left out on that quote.

<sarcasm>Are you kidding? Look how big he is. We should move him to center.</sarcasm>
 
Not too surprised Chara wants to stick around. Players ignore what fans think. So if he thinks he's still a good player, he's going to try and keep playing until he feels otherwise. Kind of why I have a hard time thinking Hank is going to walk off into the sunset at this point.
 
Not too surprised Chara wants to stick around. Players ignore what fans think. So if he thinks he's still a good player, he's going to try and keep playing until he feels otherwise. Kind of why I have a hard time thinking Hank is going to walk off into the sunset at this point.

Their situations aren't similar though.

Chara's got a spot with Boston and will play even if its not the right thing for them. They're still competitive even if their window to win isn't really open anymore, though I'm sure he feels differently.

Would Hank be happy backing up here (where the likely hood of contending for a cup next year isn't great)? Would he be happy with the starting job on a graveyard team like Minnesota or San Jose? I can't imagine he'd be open to going to one of the western Canadian teams that need a goalie.

I'm not really seeing the opportunity for him to start anywhere, and I imagine thats what he would want if he isn't going to play here. I have no issue with him playing out the last year of his contract here if thats what he wants or trading him if we can find a willing partner (I don't see it). I do have a problem with buying him out when he's one of the best players to wear the uniform and there is another player on the roster who makes significant money and desperately needs to be off of it.
 
Not too surprised Chara wants to stick around. Players ignore what fans think. So if he thinks he's still a good player, he's going to try and keep playing until he feels otherwise. Kind of why I have a hard time thinking Hank is going to walk off into the sunset at this point.

difference though is that chara's contract is over and he is 43...even jagr retired eventually lol
 
I have to say, Chara didn't look 43 in those boston games.

Also Hank shouldn't have to ride out into the sunset if he doesn't want to. The guy is better than Geo IMO... there's zero benefit to buying him out
 
Their situations aren't similar though.

Chara's got a spot with Boston and will play even if its not the right thing for them. They're still competitive even if their window to win isn't really open anymore, though I'm sure he feels differently.

Would Hank be happy backing up here (where the likely hood of contending for a cup next year isn't great)? Would he be happy with the starting job on a graveyard team like Minnesota or San Jose? I can't imagine he'd be open to going to one of the western Canadian teams that need a goalie.

I'm not really seeing the opportunity for him to start anywhere, and I imagine thats what he would want if he isn't going to play here. I have no issue with him playing out the last year of his contract here if thats what he wants or trading him if we can find a willing partner (I don't see it). I do have a problem with buying him out when he's one of the best players to wear the uniform and there is another player on the roster who makes significant money and desperately needs to be off of it.

Hank does have a spot with the Rangers. He's under contract for another season and has a full NMC. So if he decides he wants to play for the Rangers next year he's going to do just that unless the Rangers buy him out. If the team does that, it opens up far more options for him than there would be via trade simply because he can take a $1m contract to play for any team that wants him. He has absolutely all the power here and isn't obligated to do the team any favors.

People are assuming that Igor is going to do the same thing Hank did. I.e. take the starting job and never look back. Hank might not be looking at it like that. He might see a team that has a shot at the playoffs next year and a rookie goalie ahead of him. If he's the #2 that means any slip up Igor has is an opportunity for him to take back the starting job.

I don't want to paint Hank as a vindictive guy because he's far from it. But he has all of the power, and the Rangers best option if he exercises that power puts him in position of almost complete freedom. If he wants to play in the NHL next year he'll play. He might have to fight his way into the #1 role instead of being the assumed starter, but if he thinks he can do that then he'll take the opportunity. He can control the narrative around his departure as well by making the team buy him out. "I wanted to stay and they didn't want me, so they bought me out." His legacy in the eyes of the fans stays totally in tact and Gorton looks like Glen Sather sending Brian Leetch to Boston.
 
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