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Around the NHL: Part XXIII

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ElLeetch said:
But also a team we beat every time this season.
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And the Red Wings beat the Canadiens 4 times. Ottawa last year won the reg season sereies against Tampa.

Head-to-head results in the regular season are meaningless. Sure, it looks nice as a pre-game graphic on TV but that's about it
 
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TheTakedown said:
No idea why we thought Suzuki wasn't as good. Total botch job
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I remember how people were criticizing the Kreider pick because we passed on Josefson and Schroeder. You win some, you lose some.

Tampa Bay, often touted as the best drafting team in the league, picked Slater Koekkoek and Brett Connolly in the top-10. Every team has misses. The bigger issue for us has always been the lack of top-6 contributors coming out of the day 2 picks.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
I remember how people were criticizing the Kreider pick because we passed on Josefson and Schroeder. You win some, you lose some.

Tampa Bay, often touted as the best drafting team in the league, picked Slater Koekkoek and Brett Connolly in the top-10. Every team has misses. The bigger issue for us has always been the lack of top-6 contributors coming out of the day 2 picks.
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Kreider was raw--was playing Prep School hockey--the level of competition very low. The size and the skating though. He was and is also very bright---though not necessarily hockey IQ bright--he had a lot of learning to do there. He's turned into a great character guy--goes out of his way to help young players and prospects. His draft year the other most physical forward would have been Zach Kassian. I wanted the Rangers to grab one or the other but Kassian was well too regarded for him to fall as far as us. Montreal picks right before us and takes a French Canadian kid playing for Harvard who busted. I remember being somewhat interested in Josefson (glad we didn't draft him) but Kyle Palmieri was really my fall back choice after Kreider and he turned out well.

Skjei really isn't a bad pick for where he was taken and considering his draft had tons of busts and lots of bottom liners and bottom pairing types. There are a few players taken after him that turned out better but not all that many. Those were mainly guys that until then hadn't blossomed all that much. That happens every draft--it's kind of the Henrik Lundqvist factor.
 
eco's bones said:
Kreider was raw--was playing Prep School hockey--the level of competition very low. The size and the skating though. He was and is also very bright---though not necessarily hockey IQ bright--he had a lot of learning to do there. He's turned into a great character guy--goes out of his way to help young players and prospects. His draft year the other most physical forward would have been Zach Kassian. I wanted the Rangers to grab one or the other but Kassian was well too regarded for him to fall as far as us. Montreal picks right before us and takes a French Canadian kid playing for Harvard who busted. I remember being somewhat interested in Josefson (glad we didn't draft him) but Kyle Palmieri was really my fall back choice after Kreider and he turned out well.

Skjei really isn't a bad pick for where he was taken and considering his draft had tons of busts and lots of bottom liners and bottom pairing types. There are a few players taken after him that turned out better but not all that many. Those were mainly guys that until then hadn't blossomed all that much. That happens every draft--it's kind of the Henrik Lundqvist factor.
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When it comes to late round picks (3rd and beyond) I always feel it's more development and luck rather than picking the right player. Of course that's also a factor, but I would say development is 50% of it.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
When it comes to late round picks (3rd and beyond) I always feel it's more development and luck rather than picking the right player. Of course that's also a factor, but I would say development is 50% of it.
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Players that are drafted---there are always some elements to a game that are there--it's like sometimes just being drafted blossoms a player almost instantly. Lundqvist I think was one. Parayko might be another example. The Rangers have had their fair share of breaks just with our goaltending of Henrik and Igor. Ryan Callahan was a more minor miracle. Both Buchnevich and Duclair as 3rd rounders in the same draft year don't count so much as they certainly had the skill level where they should have been taken higher. Those two fell in our laps though I think we might have taken Tambellini before either or at least one of them. Lately Barron seems maybe the most like that---perhaps Pajuniemi. Reunanen dropped because of a bad injury. Zac Jones---but I think everyone was excited about him right off.
 
eco's bones said:
Players that are drafted---there are always some elements to a game that are there--it's like sometimes just being drafted blossoms a player almost instantly. Lundqvist I think was one. Parayko might be another example. The Rangers have had their fair share of breaks just with our goaltending of Henrik and Igor. Ryan Callahan was a more minor miracle. Both Buchnevich and Duclair as 3rd rounders in the same draft year don't count so much as they certainly had the skill level where they should have been taken higher. Those two fell in our laps though I think we might have taken Tambellini before either or at least one of them. Lately Barron seems maybe the most like that---perhaps Pajuniemi. Reunanen dropped because of a bad injury. Zac Jones---but I think everyone was excited about him right off.
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It's not that they were just drafted, it's just age. You're drafting guys right in the most volatile period of their progress, both as hockey players and as people. I'm not sure that I land on being for this, completely, but it's why I'm intrigued by the idea of moving the draft age to 19 (the 2021 draft would be the perfect one to skip).
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
And the Red Wings beat the Canadiens 4 times. Ottawa last year won the reg season sereies against Tampa.

Head-to-head results in the regular season are meaningless. Sure, it looks nice as a pre-game graphic on TV but that's about it
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Stop making excuses for them. Carolina is good but not amazing. And even if they were the 2nd coming of the dynasty Habs that doesn’t excuse the Rangers performance.
 
Tawnos said:
It's not that they were just drafted, it's just age. You're drafting guys right in the most volatile period of their progress, both as hockey players and as people. I'm not sure that I land on being for this, completely, but it's why I'm intrigued by the idea of moving the draft age to 19 (the 2021 draft would be the perfect one to skip).
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Of course, and shit happens. People get hurt seriously or lives can go in a completely different direction. Bart Wilson died a week or two ago. He was a Rangers draft pick in the early 80's or somewhere around then and if you're wondering what kind of player he was--he was Behn Wilson's little brother. Kind of that kind of a player. He played one year with the Rangers top farm team and had a good year and quit to go to dentist school. Perhaps he didn't want to be fighting his brother on a Flyers all the time. All kinds of things can happen on one's journey through life.
 
Quit for Dental school? Maybe he looked around the locker room and saw dollar signs every time his teammates smiled.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
Pittsburgh winning Lafreniere would enrage me to no end
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If Edmonton or Pittsburgh get eliminated and either of them get Lafreneire it may be time for the entire other NHL teams to boycott the lottery and force it out. Not Just because the bottom 7 teams already been screwed but will be a complete joke if either of those teams gets another 1st OA.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Rangers lost to a better team. That's not "making excuses"
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Yeah there is no rocket science
To this or fancy corsi charts. Rangers just did not play well and Carolina did. Which is why I have not dwelled on it too much and looking for excuses. Carolina was the better team and had the experience. Hopefully the Rangers learned something.
 

The league could have avoided the possibility of Crosby/Malkin and McDavid/Draisaitl not being among the 16 playoff teams by just having a normal playoff format this year but they decided not to. As far as Chicago or Edmonton advancing, they're both brutal defensively and will probably get bounced in the 1st round anyway.

The social distancing in this Flyers post game is hilarious.
 
TheTakedown said:
No idea why we thought Suzuki wasn't as good. Total botch job
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Things like this just set teams back, missing on top 10 picks is a huge deal that isn't mentioned enough with this team. You get Suzuki and now your top 2 centers are Zibanejad and Suzuki for a very long time. Instead, our pick bails on us and now we need to trade assets for a 2c unless we resign Strome which i don't want to do.

It doesn't matter where Lias was ranked, our scouts need to better with top 10 picks period.
 
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JT Kreider said:
Classic Rangers keeping the worst of Kreider Hayes and Miller
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Miller goes to Vancouver and becomes a 70 point player. Lol, whether he plays with Pettersson or not, he never showed thay potential with us. Typical Rangers luck.

Hayes had his usual year, and i'm glad we didn't resign him. I think we can do better at 2c if we are smart.
 
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