Around the NHL: Part XV - End the Damn Season Already

[Edge]

I guess I’m saying I’m not sure who he’d slide behind. There’s very little in that organization up front outside of Petterson, Horvat and Boeser (which is a pretty good 3). Even the 17-18 Rangers were a much deeper group.

Miller’s ability to get placed behind far less talented players is pretty impressive. So I rule nothing out.

 

[Ola]

I’m not sure I follow the thought process of breaking down the McD trade into separate deals.

We received Howden, Hajek, Names, a first and a (ultimately) a second for McD and Miller.

So even if I go with your approach, which I have to tell you I feel is flawed, your argument is still left with trading Miller for a first, a second and Names.

I think that is pretty childish.

The value we got on Miller wasn’t good. Namestnikov was a really bad read by our pro-scouting. And it’s not the first one.

It’s not the end of the world, but what is so bad with calling a spade a spade?

 

[Edge]

I think that is pretty childish.

The value we got on Miller wasn’t good. Namestnikov was a really bad read by our pro-scouting. And it’s not the first one.

It’s not the end of the world, but what is so bad with calling a spade a spade?

Oh, Ola. You’re prefect the combination of all the joys of a lawyer and Swedish friendliness just rolled up into one delightful, blunt little package.

I’ve missed you these past few days.

 

[Leonardo87]

Gotta be honest with you, I wouldn’t want him back.

I was really unimpressed with the sulking last season.

Also, do you really want Zuccs buddy back?

 

[Ola]

Oh, Ola. You’re prefect the combination of all the joys of a lawyer and Swedish friendliness just rolled up into one delightful, blunt little package.

I’ve missed you these past few days.

At your service!

Seriously though, I do think it’s pretty tiresome. We discuss these things, why is it tabu to call something that it was. If Gorton knows what he knows now about Namestnikov that trade don’t look like it does. I mean come on, look at what Tampa got for Miller alone...

 

[Edge]

At your service!

Seriously though, I do think it’s pretty tiresome. We discuss these things, why is it tabu to call something that it was. If Gorton knows what he knows now about Namestnikov that trade don’t look like it does. I mean come on, look at what Tampa got for Miller alone...

Because people don’t agree with it?

Based on the premise that was presented, with the trade split in two, you’re telling me the current return for Miller was better than a first, second (with the potential to be a first) and Names?

 

[Tawnos]

Miller’s ability to get placed behind far less talented players is pretty impressive. So I rule nothing out.

And still... a 1st and 3rd for that quality player, signed for 4 more years, is worth more than a 1st and 3rd.

 

[Edge]

And still... a 1st and 3rd for that quality player, signed for 4 more years, is worth more than a 1st and 3rd.

Eh, this is the second time we’re debating the return for Miller. It’s also possible that the return is closer to the market value than we think.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Because people don’t agree with it?

Based on the premise that was presented, with the trade split in two, you’re telling me the current return for Miller was better than a first, second (with the potential to be a first) and Names?

If we're splitting that trade (which I agree, we shouldn't), that price for Miller should also account for Miller's contract status at the time, and when you do that the Rangers seem like they got way more value out of him

 

[Edge]

If we're splitting that trade (which I agree, we shouldn't), that price for Miller should also account for Miller's contract status at the time, and when you do that the Rangers seem like they got way more value out of him

So, going with the approach that was presented (which we agree probably isn’t the preferred method), we would have:

1st and a 3rd

Vs.

1st, a 2nd and Names.

So I’ll circle back to my original question. What am I missing?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

So, going with the approach that was presented (which we agree probably isn’t the preferred method), we would have:

1st and a 3rd

Vs.

1st, a 2nd and Names.

So I’ll circle back to my original question. What am I missing?

I also never understood at the time of the trade until now why people assume Gorton thinks Namestnikov is more than what he is

 

[SnowblindNYR]

A little late on this but how come when we trade Zucc for a second and third, both of which were conditional firsts, we only traded Zucc for a second and third but when Miller gets traded in a package for including a conditional first, we blew it because we could have gotten a first for Miller? Why is there a bias towards looking at things through the worst case scenario on this board?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

A little late on this but how come when we trade Zucc for a second and third, both of which were conditional firsts, we only traded Zucc for a second and third but when Miller gets traded in a package for including a conditional first, we blew it because we could have gotten a first for Miller? Why is there a bias towards looking at things through the worst case scenario on this board?

Miller’s conditional 1st will be a 1st, the only question is whether it’ll be in ‘20 or ‘21.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Miller’s conditional 1st will be a 1st, the only question is whether it’ll be in ‘20 or ‘21.

Oh, wow, didn't realize that thanks. Then that's an appalling trade for Vancouver.

 

[Chaels Arms]

No interest whatsoever in bringing Zuccarello back. This team has traded players a hundred times better than him who meant a thousand times more to the franchise but Zuccarello gets a pass for sulking... why, again? Have fun elsewhere. Plus, I think Zuke was a better fit for AV then Quinn. Philly would actually be a good landing spot for him.

 

[Edge]

Miller’s conditional 1st will be a 1st, the only question is whether it’ll be in ‘20 or ‘21.

And it’s lottery protected. So yes, the “hope” if you’re Tampa is that Vancouver is still a lottery team in 2021.

Now if that’s the case, Benning and company are gone at that point.

 

[RangerBoy]

No interest whatsoever in bringing Zuccarello back. This team has traded players a hundred times better than him who meant a thousand times more to the franchise but Zuccarello gets a pass for sulking... why, again? Have fun elsewhere. Plus, I think Zuke was a better fit for AV then Quinn. Philly would actually be a good landing spot for him.

The Flyers don't have the money for Zuccarello. The little guy wants $6M.





The Flyers need to find a goaltender to share the load with Hart who is a very young player. He hasn't played a full NHL season. The Flyers need to pay Provorov, Sanheim, Konecky, Hartman and Laughton.

Some people say the Islanders. The Islanders want goals especially if Lee leaves. Zuccarello is an assist guy.

 

[will1066]

By the way, congrats to Rick Nash joining CBJ's FO

 

[Ola]

Because people don’t agree with it?

Based on the premise that was presented, with the trade split in two, you’re telling me the current return for Miller was better than a first, second (with the potential to be a first) and Names?

The premises used was among the things that is a bit childish.

Agreeing to get Names at the assigned value was not a good deal. Our pro-scouting has big issues and Gorton is also a part of that and must shape up.

 

[Edge]

The premises used was among the things that is a bit childish.

Agreeing to get Names at the assigned value was not a good deal. Our pro-scouting has big issues and Gorton is also a part of that and must shape up.

Lol. Okay, Ola.

 

[GordonGecko]

Blues traded Shattenkirk away and won the Cup two seasons later.

Capitals lost Shattenkirk to UFA and then won the Cup the following season.

Makes you think...

lol, Sherlock Holmes right here

 

[Harbour Dog]

Holy hell, that Miller trade is one of the worst I've ever seen.

Tampa basically cap dumped their way to a first.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I think that is pretty childish.

The value we got on Miller wasn’t good. Namestnikov was a really bad read by our pro-scouting. And it’s not the first one.

It’s not the end of the world, but what is so bad with calling a spade a spade?

Completely agree. Miller deal cements the fact that JG did not do well in the McD deal. He either good good value for McD and poor for Miller or vice versa.

 

[bbny]

Completely agree. Miller deal cements the fact that JG did not do well in the McD deal. He either good good value for McD and poor for Miller or vice versa.

Or, it could just mean Jim Benning is a nickel short of a dollar.

 

[Ola]

Lol. Okay, Ola.

Haha, this isn’t PR Edge, claiming that Names has lived up to expectations is childish and won’t fly.

What’s next, Etem and Smith were great acquisitions too? Just stop it.