Around the NHL - Part XLII - (2023-24 Season edition)

[Paulie Walnutz]

I’m enjoying this Penguins season way too much.

Dubas is a dork, a geek and a loser, I can’t wait to watch him kick the can down the road and watch Shitsburgh go down in flames. Maybe this time they’ll finally move.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Miller had an attitude problem when he was here. It was thought that he would continue to hurt teams more than help them with both his on ice and off ice antics.

To be fair, he had the same issue in Tampa.

It took two teams to give up on him before he realized he needed to adjust his attitude and play to be an NHL player.

This attitude is so silly. Reminds me of my wife complaining about my step daughter. Like, seriously that's your biggest problem with the player? Plus need I remind you Gorton traded for Tony Deangelo like a year before the Miller trade.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

I wish Rod Brind'Amour had kept his mouth shut about why Antti Raanta was waived.

"His game wasn't quite there."

Neither was yours at the end, my guy.

 

[RangerLifer]

I wish Rod Brind'Amour had kept his mouth shut about why Antti Raanta was waived.

"His game wasn't quite there."

Neither was yours at the end, my guy.

That was COLD of Carolina to waive him like that right after the game.

 

[RangerLifer]

Not sure if anyone posted this yet but apparently we're still the same team as last year with a better power play and luck.

Are the New York Rangers for real? What the stats, opponents and the Rangers themselves say

The Blueshirts have circled the top of the NHL standings after a first-round exit last spring. What has changed? How real are their Stanley Cup chances?

www.espn.com

We rely way too much on goaltending. I cannot argue with that because I've been shouting this from the rooftops since Lundqvist. IT IS NOT A RECIPE FOR SUCCESS! I hope Drury realizes this.

 

[Ranger Wolf]

I know it’s a small sample size but yikes.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I know it’s a small sample size but yikes.

Secondary assist and a goal that should never be a goal at this level.
Both on the PP.

There’s truth to giving him some time as he just had major surgery and hasn’t played in actual games in 7 months but I don’t see how it gets much better than this.

 

[Mandar]

I don't think anyone has ever denied his attitude issues. I'd certainly challenge the notion that he was hurting us more than helping, and I'd probably argue against TBL 'giving up' on him as they traded for assets to go in a different direction (I don't think we 'gave up' on Buch, we made a hockey trade) to go in a different direction).
My issues at the time (and I guess still now)
- the team/franchise was so inept that they didn't have anyone available to them to help Miller with his attitude issues. And this includes such 'leaders' as Hank, Kreider, Stepan, Nash, Staal, Girardi and of course McD
- that having decided that they simply couldn't deal with the immense attitude problem, the team basically gave away a 24 year old, 50+ scorer, for free

Miller was a total disaster in the playoffs every year in a NYR uniform. And that’s being kind.

He wasn’t going to be the player he is today with us….and it’s really ancient history anyway

 

[effen]

Tired: buch trade
Wired: miller trade

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I know it’s a small sample size but yikes.

Pulling for him. Hope he is well and finds his game.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

yea but av ran jt out of the org for a long time leading up to that. been confirmed by ex players on podcasts recently av hated anyone standing up for themselves or showing any fire on the ice. jt was too strong a personality for a btch like av, he buried him in the lineup and never let him take on the role he showed he was ready for.

They were also hell-bent on Hajek because Drury had scouted him at the WJC and thought he was the next McD. They really thought throwing in Miller was worth it to pry Hajek from them lol

 

[McRanger92]

All I take from the Buch and Miller trades are that unsigned RFAs have much less value in real life than they do on HFBoards. I long for the day we can stop pining over this guys who never did anything of significance with us.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Miller was a total disaster in the playoffs every year in a NYR uniform. And that’s being kind.

He wasn’t going to be the player he is today with us….and it’s really ancient history anyway

The first part may be true, but he was still developing & those teams were pretty average.

The second line, however, is such a bullshit reason to excuse away the trade. Nobody knows what would've happened had he stayed here. He didn't get along with AV, maybe the light goes on after he was canned. Maybe he makes that 19-20 team's power play even more lethal.

And if you really think that Miller, who showed constant bursts of talent & improved every year he was here, wasn't going to succeed as a Ranger, what does that say about Kakko who has shown basically nothing after 4+ years?

 

[Mandar]

The first part may be true, but he was still developing & those teams were pretty average.

The second line, however, is such a bullshit reason to excuse away the trade. Nobody knows what would've happened had he stayed here. He didn't get along with AV, maybe the light goes on after he was canned. Maybe he makes that 19-20 team's power play even more lethal.

And if you really think that Miller, who showed constant bursts of talent & improved every year he was here, wasn't going to succeed as a Ranger, what does that say about Kakko who has shown basically nothing after 4+ years?

Oh, I get it….your “maybe’s” are more valid that the opposite “maybe”.

why need to do a “whataboutism” for Kakko when he’s not even in this discussion? One may need a roadmap to go all over the place with you here.

All in all, no matter what anyone thinks he may have done, it’s all moot…and ancient history.

 

[Profet]

All I take from the Buch and Miller trades are that unsigned RFAs have much less value in real life than they do on HFBoards. I long for the day we can stop pining over this guys who never did anything of significance with us.

How about we just hope for days where guys stop breaking out right after we trade them and new assets don't regress to AHL players.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Oh, I get it….your “maybe’s” are more valid that the opposite “maybe”.

why need to do a “whataboutism” for Kakko when he’s not even in this discussion? One may need a roadmap to go all over the place with you here.

All in all, no matter what anyone thinks he may have done, it’s all moot…and ancient history.

At least I was using "maybe's"...for years others have been using definitive statements that it was NEVER happening for him here. Even if those "maybe's" don't happen, the risk would've been better than giving the player away for literally nothing.

Roadmap?!? ...c'mon, you're a sharp guy. I included Kakko because we have a ton of posters here who claim he's untouchable, yet some of them think Miller is still a bozo. Didn't think it was too big of a leap to compare the two players who hadn't quite met expectations here.

Side note. I wouldn't have pegged you as the internet buzzword type, but here's the thing, we don't always need to agree with one another.

 

[Levitate]

They were also hell-bent on Hajek because Drury had scouted him at the WJC and thought he was the next McD. They really thought throwing in Miller was worth it to pry Hajek from them lol

Hajek did kind of have all the tools but couldn't put it together. Good size and skating and puck skills but it just never would come together...couldn't process at the NHL level I guess. That part is hard to scout for sure.

 

[Mandar]

At least I was using "maybe's"...for years others have been using definitive statements that it was NEVER happening for him here. Even if those "maybe's" don't happen, the risk would've been better than giving the player away for literally nothing.

Roadmap?!? ...c'mon, you're a sharp guy. I included Kakko because we have a ton of posters here who claim he's untouchable, yet some of them think Miller is still a bozo. Didn't think it was too big of a leap to compare the two players who hadn't quite met expectations here.

Side note. I wouldn't have pegged you as the internet buzzword type, but here's the thing, we don't always need to agree with one another.

Agree with you on the first paragraph…I think the frustration with him was that they expected more and the attitude stuff is something no fan wants to hear. It’s obvious that he wasn’t desired by management…and of course, the numbers he has put up in recent years makes it look worse for us….but we also don’t live in a vacuum either, so I’m not convinced he would have put those numbers up here (based on what I saw).

I guess I was confused as to why Kakko was brought up out of the blue. DefinItely agree with your comment about other posters commentary about him. I think Kakko is a more liked player and gets more favorable comments.

Not saying we need or don’t need to agree…you know I’m not holding back my thoughts either way, and I certainly respect yours. I just think it’s silly to still harp on a guy who hasn’t been here for years….then again, people still complain about not signing Stralman…..so I guess its always gonna be an issue.

 

[Row I Goon]

Didn’t know where to share this so please delete if incorrect thread.

Considering the recent comments about SOAD….

 

[MrAlmost]

Didn’t know where to share this so please delete if incorrect thread.

Considering the recent comments about SOAD….

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I don't think there is a wrong thread for this.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

yea but av ran jt out of the org for a long time leading up to that. been confirmed by ex players on podcasts recently av hated anyone standing up for themselves or showing any fire on the ice. jt was too strong a personality for a btch like av, he buried him in the lineup and never let him take on the role he showed he was ready for.

sure at the end of the day gorton pulled the trigger, but av wanted him out and kept him on such a tight leash he was never allowed to really break through. av was the much bigger problem than gorton. gorton brought in trouba, reaves, goodrow, lindgren, cuylle, schneider, lemieux etc so he clearly didn't have a problem with a little piss and vinegar in a player

I'm not going to get into my thoughts on the yeah but arguments because I've been told I come off like a prick.

So let me just say if the GM sees talent, and he is going to dismiss a coach, and he trades the talent anyway, that's on him.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

When Buch and Blais both get traded at either this or next TDL for St. Louis's rebuild, maybe we can finally let it rest and move on.

 

[Tob]

Ken Danekyo is great but Bryce Salvador is a disaster

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Jack Hughes feeling tough