PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
Piles lose. They have more loses than wins and yet are in 2nd place. They love those loser points.
Around the NHL - Part XLII - (2023-24 Season edition)
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tlk
hARry kane comeS homE
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
Gorton's infrastructure (or lack thereof) wasn't equipped to handle players with any kind of conflict in their DNA.
JCProdigy
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Boris Zubov
No relation to Sergei, Joe
At least they were smart enough not to give him away for less than a 1st rounder.
Cap space and half decent return.
Plus they paid nothing for the asset so it was all a bonus
Larrybiv
We're CLEAN, we PROMISE!
Wonder if waived Vinnie Hinostroza (Boston) will end up with the BlackHawks. He's from ChiTown, wouldn't surprise me. Maybe his heart isn't in it. Would think some get homesick, I dunno. He's supposed to have legit talent.......hmmm, that sounds familiar.
JT Miller looked like a Brandon Dubinsky tier player at best with us. Maybe it's a lesson to not give up on young talent.
Larrybiv
We're CLEAN, we PROMISE!
Maybe, but doubt it. Change of scenery, change of coaches sometimes does the trick. Can't fire a coach because a young talent isn't producing or "meeting" expectations. Also, can't wait forever, right? You just hope that your GM can "find" that type of player, and not relinquish "too soon". It's a mixed bag of LUCK. IMO.
Not sure if anyone posted this yet but apparently we're still the same team as last year with a better power play and luck.
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HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
Gorton relieved AV a few months after the trade. He could've kept the player.
That trade turned out to be a disaster for the Rangers. It also kept the Islanders from winning back to back pandemic Cups.
But 50 pt Dubinsky was a very useful player, who was also able to be used in a package for a 'star'.
Miller who was putting up at least Dubinsky pt seasons at a slightly younger age, was let go for nothing...
Miller had an attitude problem when he was here. It was thought that he would continue to hurt teams more than help them with both his on ice and off ice antics.
To be fair, he had the same issue in Tampa.
It took two teams to give up on him before he realized he needed to adjust his attitude and play to be an NHL player.
I don't think anyone has ever denied his attitude issues. I'd certainly challenge the notion that he was hurting us more than helping, and I'd probably argue against TBL 'giving up' on him as they traded for assets to go in a different direction (I don't think we 'gave up' on Buch, we made a hockey trade) to go in a different direction).
My issues at the time (and I guess still now)
- the team/franchise was so inept that they didn't have anyone available to them to help Miller with his attitude issues. And this includes such 'leaders' as Hank, Kreider, Stepan, Nash, Staal, Girardi and of course McD
- that having decided that they simply couldn't deal with the immense attitude problem, the team basically gave away a 24 year old, 50+ scorer, for free
Miller had a knack for taking undisciplined penalties at the absolute worst possible time.
He earned the nickname "bozo" because of this.
This was wasn't a one off thing... it was a consistent occurrence... On high pressure end of game situations, he made it harder to win because of his immaturity.
As far as Tampa giving up on him, a team poised to win a Stanley cup decided the juice wasn't worth the squeeze with miller. That has to effect your mindset and your own perceived value. They did get more of a return, but that's because it was clear the Rangers needed to trade McDonagh, and Yzerman just abused Gorton.
Boris Zubov
No relation to Sergei, Joe
I cannot believe some of you guys are still dying on this hill. Miller was young & immature..self admittedly he needed to change his attitude & figure it out. That doesn't change the fact that we royally f***ed up by literally giving him away for...checks notes...absolutely nothing in return. Gorton deserved to be fired based on that trade alone....my only wish is we could fire him again.
Oh 100%
But let's not act like Miller was a 50 goal scorer when he was traded either.
Two teams traded him for garbage before he figure it out
Boris Zubov
No relation to Sergei, Joe
He still hasn't scored 50, so nobody is acting like he was. However those of us who were rightfully livid at the time of the trade saw the potential with this kid. There was zero reason to include him as a throw in.
Side note, I'm sure a lot of fans probably want to use that logic when discussing Kakko, but IMHO, Kakko has shown nothing close to what Miller did before we let him go. I'm not saying I want to deal Kakko, especially while he's tanked his own value, but if at some point we did move on from him, I don't see it as giving up on him too early with what we've seen from him thus far. With Miller it was clear there was a ton of room for growth.
Cmox
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We’re in a competence crisis. Especially in occupations where lives rely on you. It’s frightening.
Boris Zubov
No relation to Sergei, Joe
Aint that the f***ing truth. If you ever lived out west & needed medical attention, you'd be appalled.
didn't he get this nickname (at least on here) because one poster is a child and likes to repeat themselves a lot?
yea but av ran jt out of the org for a long time leading up to that. been confirmed by ex players on podcasts recently av hated anyone standing up for themselves or showing any fire on the ice. jt was too strong a personality for a btch like av, he buried him in the lineup and never let him take on the role he showed he was ready for.
sure at the end of the day gorton pulled the trigger, but av wanted him out and kept him on such a tight leash he was never allowed to really break through. av was the much bigger problem than gorton. gorton brought in trouba, reaves, goodrow, lindgren, cuylle, schneider, lemieux etc so he clearly didn't have a problem with a little piss and vinegar in a player
Rangers in 7
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This might be one of the worst game cards I’ve ever seen
Synergy27
F-A-C-G-C-E
I’m enjoying this Penguins season way too much.
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