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Around the NHL: Part XIX

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Inferno said:
Maybe lindros in terms of greatness for the time? But 88 didn't control his destiny like mcjesus would.

Even the. A comparable offer would be something like

A first this year coming up (lottery protected), buch, kakko, Brendan lemieux, and georgiev?

Maybe?

Something like that?
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I feel like the deal that would get done would be whatever team just says yes to what Edmonton wants without a counter offer and the acquiring team would figure everything else out from there
 
The last time a term controlled superstar was traded with no trade rights was what....Nash?

Dubi, aa, erixon, and a first.

If you bump everything up then what...

Chytil, buch, Miller or lundkvistand a first?

When you have a mega high paid superstar with trade veto rights, you don't get as much back as you'd think. If he had no notrade rights, then sure, but if he's like... Send me to the rangers, bruins, or penguins... You ain't getting a boatload... Even with him being who he is.
 
GeorgeKaplan said:
I feel like the deal that would get done would be whatever team just says yes to what Edmonton wants without a counter offer and the acquiring team would figure everything else out from there
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Ok...so the coyotes offer everything they have.

The oilers say done.

Mcjesus says, no thanks.


Then what?
 
Inferno said:
The last time a term controlled superstar was traded with no trade rights was what....Nash?

Dubi, aa, erixon, and a first.

If you bump everything up then what...

Chytil, buch, Miller or lundkvistand a first?

When you have a mega high paid superstar with trade veto rights, you don't get as much back as you'd think. If he had no notrade rights, then sure, but if he's like... Send me to the rangers, bruins, or penguins... You ain't getting a boatload... Even with him being who he is.
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Nash definitely had an NMC on that deal. Pretty sure the Rangers were one of only a few destinations he would accept.
 
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Top five headline I've ever seen on HF. I hope it's true. I hope he sees that this team is nothing more than majorly mediocre and they don't have to or want to pay him big money out the gate. Hilarious situation. Kinda bummed that Igor won't get to pummel him a bunch every year now *hopefully.
 
Tawnos said:
Nash definitely had an NMC on that deal. Pretty sure the Rangers were one of only a few destinations he would accept.
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Yes that's exactly the point I'm trying to make.

Mcjesus has a nmc..you can basically eliminate 20 teams right away that he will veto. Every team in his division, every team that sucks, and every team that doesn't play in a high profile market (one would assume, but maybe not)

I'd wager push comes to shove that if he demanded a trade he would have at most 5 places he would go to. All of them would have cap issues, or prospect issues, or both.
 
Rongomania said:
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Top five headline I've ever seen on HF. I hope it's true. I hope he sees that this team is nothing more than majorly mediocre and they don't have to or want to pay him big money out the gate. Hilarious situation. Kinda bummed that Igor won't get to pummel him a bunch every year now *hopefully.
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He can’t get big money out of the gate, but there was a rumor going around a month or so ago that he told the Islanders he doesn’t want to play for them or to trade him or something
 
McDavid doesn't have a NMC yet

He's not old enough for one. His clause kicks in the '22-'23 season

GeorgeKaplan said:
He can’t get big money out of the gate, but there was a rumor going around a month or so ago that he told the Islanders he doesn’t want to play for them or to trade him or something
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He basically told the Islanders he wasn't coming over while Snow was still GM. So not really surprising he would just want out of their organization entirely
 
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Inferno said:
Maybe lindros in terms of greatness for the time? But 88 didn't control his destiny like mcjesus would.

Even the. A comparable offer would be something like

A first this year coming up (lottery protected), buch, kakko, Brendan lemieux, and georgiev?

Maybe?

Something like that?
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Original Rangers trade for Lindros was 20 million cash, Nemchinow, Kovalev, Amonte, James Patrick the Nordiques choice of Beezer or Richter and i think 3 first rounders.
The Flyers trade was 15 milion, Forsberg, Ricci, Hextall, Duchene, Huffman, two firsts and future considerations that became Chris Simon.

The price to acquire a true superstar is staggering.
To be fair to Jagr, his salary made him virtually untradeable which is why he went for nickels on the dollar twice compared to Lindros.
Arguably, Lindros brought more back to Quebec than Edmonton got for Gretzky.
 
What needs to be considered with Lindros is that he had his entire career ahead of him, which McDavid (almost) also has. Nash, Thornton etc. had already several prime years behind them when they were traded.

Thornton is also probably the most recent example of a superstar that was traded without trade protections (I think) and the return was abysmal for Boston.
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A 3rd liner, a #3 defenceman and a 2nd liner, pretty equivalent to Fast, Skjei and Buchnevich.
 
The Rangers are doing the right thing by selling off pieces and creating cap flexibility to be able to take a run at one or two of these types of players eventually. As we know, not all of these young players can play for this organization and some of the NHL players will be traded. Keep accruing assets so that when the time comes and the right player becomes available they can make that move WITHOUT emptying the cupboard.

The issue with the Nash trade was that Sather really hadn't filled the cupboard as he should have originally. The team never really had a rebuild phase where he was able to stock the system like Gorton is currently. That is partially his fault, partially Jagr' and Hanks fault, as well as the Director of Scouting's fault as the draft picks they had didn't pan out.

Gorton is doing the right thing and it wouldn't surprise me if after this off-season we see him gt more aggressive to acquire an other elite player soon. I'm not saying it's going to be McDavid, but Gorton has the pieces to make an enticing offer or offers for the specific players he will want. This is ESPECIALLY true if he trades Kreider, Buch and Strome as the salary cap landscape will be much cleaner
 
I will say that in a post-Lindros world, there's typically a tendency to pile on the assets from fan proposals. But the return will almost certainly feel somewhat underwhelming, even if it's more of the 4-5 piece variety.
 
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Edge said:
I will say that in a post-Lindros world, there's typically a tendency to pile on the assets from fan proposals. But the return will almost certainly feel somewhat underwhelming, even if it's more of the 4-5 piece variety.
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MacKinnon would make for a nice consolation prize and maybe cost us less . I don't think folks should be throwing out Thornton and Nash names as measurable trades to Lindros and McDavid....that is not even close with regard to superstar potential impact IMO. Those guys were a tier 2 level of magnitude .
 
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